good point , man I wish I got to meet you in a tampa your a cool dude.

I have to say this,
First Stephen you know I think your a good guy with a very hot wife I might add but I have to say for someone against it .You seem to know a awful lot about traffics deals and plans for court battles. Makes a person go hmmmm

Excellent volley of opinion.

One comment I want to make which is soemthing that really chooses no side.

If this happens you can sit and cry or figure out how to adapt. At the end of the day we are not talking about elected officials who are being paid to represent the people( I speak of the mystery backers)and as it has been mentioned in this thread business landscapes do change. Yes often times big companies are slow to move and tend to try and skew the playing field to benefit themselves... welcome to big money business. Compnay owners are goin gto do what they can to achieve, maintain, and broaden a competitive advantage.

I have no idea who is for what and really it does not matter to me. I think this IS about making money. I also think there is a very real effort to seize the opportunity and shrink the competition in the market.

Would you really expect anything less?

I am not posting to lock horns with anyone...I do think it is just a reality of business. I see it from both sides. If I had a chance to corner more of the market I would not hesitate. If I was in the position of being a smaller operation I would be furious to be at the mercy of big money, sweetheart deals, and an agenda that will never truly be out on the table.

It will be interesting to see which way this swings... I for one think it will stall in D.C.

Yep, business is business. You either fuck people to get ahead or you get fucked so someone else can get ahead. There are NO friends in this business. Sad but true.

Glad I make slightly less and can sleep at night. Enjoy your ferarris and your fake friends. :)

Nice take Jim.

I dont see money making opportunities out of this unless I was a partner at the ICM . If it happens its going to cost me alot of money for zippo return not good business but I have no choice if I want to stay in adult. The big thing is and I spoke about this in my letter to icann. Iffor is a big part of this and it doesnt even exsist yet. They will make policy and we only have one vote on that board. What if the icm thinks they can control iffor and iffor gets awat from them. That can happen they go to the press we want to protect kids and icm wont let us like they promised. The painful scenarios are endless, I think everyone is blinded but the thought of possible money and commonsense has gone out the window.
Also if this is the world of business,we should know who the people behind this are, so when things go to shit .We will know who to target for the class action suits.

funny watching people trying to create drama about this issue and who supports it and at the same time, avoiding the obvious and discussing the fact that the owner of this forum announced that he fully supports it.

you people are complete and total pussies without conviction. thats why the government can stop you.

How? who is going to be against it no one, its a easy political battle they can win .We voted to clean up the net, its a great election bullet point. Come on now think.

I am pretty loud against .xxx, and I vow to you HERE AND NOW, that not one single .xxx will be included in my domain portfolio, EVER

ding ding ding

we have a winner

Its no secret that we all know Lens is in favor. At least he has the BALLS to say so.

I actually respect him for that.

Never say never Jace :winkwink:

The goal posts can change in the future and be nothing like what is envisaged right now. But sure - agree, and same here. Got no desire to change/buy domains or fill the pockets of swamplife by purchasing overpriced domains.

On the concerns over the "adult biz ghetto" and the dangers they may pose - easier said than done to "censor" TLD extensions, but bet ya if it does ever happen - a US admin will be the first to try it. Nobody else gives a shit and several nations have already opposed it.

Who knows, but smell the whole concept and selling of this idea was generated specifically to target approval by the "establishment" and as something which would appeal to "our higher moral values" - and "needs" to be done during the reign of the current admin. Ironically, that support does not appear to be strong ;-)

Then there is the future of ICANN itself - another sore point which will inevitably come to a head in the next three years...

mike a shill for AVN???? HAHAHAHAHHAA

where out of your ass did you pull that one?

I can honestly say that I will never own a .xxx, period...if it comes down to me having to move all my operations onto .xxx and abandon my .com's, I will sell everything and move fully into mainstream...period....

I am not scared of .xxx, I love the .xxx domain in fact, I think it would be cool to have ilovemy.xxx and getsome.xxx, BUT what scares me is what happens when 4 years from the introduction of .xxx I, and millions of others, jump on the .xxx bandwagon and all the sudden the government makes it mandatory that all porn has to be on .xxx? THAT is what scares me, all porn being on one TLD...it shouldn't happen, and it can't happen, but it possibly might happen

Agree - That is prob the main concern Jace. There are too many idiots with agenda's hanging around - some wanting to line their pockets and other wannabees on a political bandwagon in the future. It's all about "self" and greed.

ICANN will eventually pass over into international hands and be "democratic", but like all "organizations", they can become a problem as much as any individual government, - tho seriously doubt Lawley would have a chance in hell of earning from the .XXX concept if ICANN was operated at an international level right now. International support is just not there and appears to be more "anti" than anything.


PS And this has nothing to do with protecting kids - it's all a money grab and very hypocritical.

You should really go read the letters that are being sent in. Very few religious types think .xxx is cleaning up the net.

I know I read them earlier they just want porn gone lol making it a law is still easy political point.Also it can be the first stop in stopping it .

1. Tony stop talking to me like a fucking idiot or I will do the same in return... I do not post anything without thinking. You may choose to save face from that comment but I really wish you would not. I would rather you simply recognize that you could have made the same point without the know it all tag line on the end. I do not have problem with you... nor do I intend to... and if being called out on acting like a bit of a dick when you did not need to is going to get you all worked up than that is on you.

2. I am of the opinion it does not have enough political weight to get politicians to step in front of a microphone or camera and say they are behind anything that has XXX in the name. It is a political firestorm for the opposing side to take advantage of the minute anyone says they are behind anything that might even be twisted into being pro porn... they will be slaughtered. I may be wrong and the day I am I will be the first to admit it.

3.You have your opinion I have mine... I have no idea how this will play out and ... NEITHER DO YOU. I do not intend to change your opinion and I know you will not change mine.

I comment about a sensative topic that you have taken some form of ownership on...and now you come back and try and make me as some moron who just pops off at the fucking mouth without thinking... Some people might let you talk to them like that I will not... beyond who is right or wrong here... you can make an articulate counter point without the back handed remarks.

You got your jab and it was returned in kind so lets leave it at that. Opposing opinions can walk from the table peacefully without the dramatic bullshit.

lets say for example it gets passed, and maybe its a leap at this point to say it will become mandatory, but lets say there is at least pressure to use the .xxx tld. Now, if the names are released of who is behind it, which at some point they will be, and, if it were me who was controlling fortunes, and potential fortunes and livelyhoods of others, as these people are, I would live EVERY DAY looking over my shoulders waiting for that one webmaster who lost everything he worked so hard for only to have it taken away by some greedy cowards. I don't think I would be able to sleep one more sound night for the rest of my life.
Duke

And herein is what has gone awry your description is SOP in the video side and apparently that's where the internet side is headed as well...damn shame it is.

Just say go fuck yourself to XBiz, ICMR and .XXX

2. I am of the opinion it does not have enough political weight to get politicians to step in front of a microphone or camera and say they are behind anything that has XXX in the name. It is a political firestorm for the opposing side to take advantage of the minute anyone says they are behind anything that might even be twisted into being pro porn... they will be slaughtered. I may be wrong and the day I am I will be the first to admit it.
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Jim,

Good point there. You will not see any politican from either party support any pro "porn" position, at least not in this decade or so, probably never.

Deep down guys and gals - it's business - plain and simple. When they tried to get icann approval last time and it failed - I was happy but I knew round # 2 was coming.. Too much coin and "control - real estate" to just let it go.

I don't support .xxx in any way shape or form not really because I am worried about others making big biz off of it but because of the 1rst ammed issues and really because I can see what it will bring down the road as far as Gov. regs, more control, easy to put us into a "red light district" (key words there)...

I have seen alot of stuff in this industry since I started - was one of the first adult webmasters, started in 1994 - this could and will be much more of a distraction / hell then 2257 any day...

Religious groups wish we would all dive off the face of the earth - they only don't support .xxx as if it passes it will look to legitimize us....

Stephen - those names you "flicked in" I already knew them, to each his own - my big thing is big brother and the regulation.. :(

Peace

Todd

100........

morning bump :thumbsup

Thanks, Tony, Dawn will appreciate that :)

No need to go "hmmmm" ? after Lloyd posted his thread at XBIZ, I received a phone call from one of my oldest friends in the biz and someone who's opinion and insights I trust. No, it wasn't Helmy, it was someone I've known longer. He's also a guy with a few more zeros on his bottom line than I have ? so when he talks about making money and inside deals, I listen.

He told me a lot of things (including the names I know, the traffic deals and plans for litigation) and asked me not to reveal the details. When I tell someone that yes "this is between us" I mean it ? and while I've probably alreaday said too much, the info did provide some new perspectives for me.

we knew those names, we wanna know the others. the cowards that are hiding that don't have the balls to own up to their "business" decisions.

Would the names by chance be the ASACP Board members? If memory serves me correctly the sold us out the first time and I bet they still get a kickback from every .xxx domain sold...maybe thats the 2 year old deal XBizStephen keeps talking about. HMMMM and we all know Alec sits atop that board...double hmmm is there no end to the chickens around here?

If yer for .XXX I have plenty of respect for you if you come out and say it, its all this slinking around bullshit that makes you look like a cabal of petty thieves.

I don't think Stephen knows anything. All he does is say "I can't tell you this.. I can't tell you that..." and makes new posts to say some other new mysterious character contacted him but he can't reveal anything.

Why make the posts in the first place then? Just shut up.

I am starting to agree.....he makes too many comments about how "in the know" he is, and about all these secret meetings and phone calls...why the fuck even say anything at all? most people that are "in the know" as much as he claims to be don't say anything, but the fact that he does say that he is in fact "in the know" about all these secrets leads me to believe he is just talking out of his ass to get attention

The names I was given are not ASACP Board members.

Joan's out of town, and I would rather have her address your concerns, but my feeling is that after the initial outcry over the "ICM supporting ASACP" deal, that the last thing she'll want is a cut of sales ? or the controversey surrounding that plan. Sure, ASACP can use all the donations it can get in order to continue its good work, but I doubt they need the money so badly that they have to alienate half the industry to do it. Still, Joan can tell you straight up the status of that deal.

No, the two year old deal was about how the type-in traffic to non-registered domains would be split up. For example, if nobody registered pussy.xxx, the type-ins of that name would be funneled to various players.

Follow THAT deal if you want to know who really stands to benefit from .xxx

For those that *really* look past the emotion and focus at the issue and the facts surrounding it (and I count myself among that group) ? the question of whether or not you support .xxx isn't as simple as "yes" or "no" as there are still a lot of unanswered questions.

In my next blog post (tomorrow or Friday) I'll delve into the reasons why .xxx could be the best thing to happen to the biz at this point ? and why it won't work and instead could be the worst thing to happen to us. After you read that, I'm certain that alot of folks will reconsider their stance, either for or against, .xxx, and realize some of the factors that don't get a lot of attention.

You're not the first person to say that.

Not "some other" ? most of the behind-the-scenes info I have came from one guy, a few days ago. I know that some of you can't wait to repost the things that are told to you in confidence, but I'm not one of them.

I was really wondering that myself, in reference to this thread...

One year from the day its passed please bookmark this thread to come back,it will be law. Im a political junkie I worked on campaigns as a kid my first I was 13 and thru my young adulthood(I was fat didnt get laid needed something to do lol ), I know the mind of those rotten scumbags we call public servants. Im sorry if you took my come on think like I was talking to you like you were a moron. That wasn't it and the problem with written exchange of ideas as opposed if we sitting across a table in a restaurant.It reads different then if it was spoken.

Fair enough

I think i'll leave my mark in this thread...

You're all right, Tony. It's the folks that would rather lower themselves to personal attacks, create fake drama, and basically stir things up without anyone questioning their agenda for doing so, that piss me off.

I'm off now. I'll be back to post a link to my blog, or repost it here, in an attempt to further the discussion for those interested in some of the issues.

I've known Stephen for a while, he knows more about whats going on in the industry than most. It's because of his position and he can't tell everything he knows because of it, I tell him things he can't repeat till the time is right.

MikeSouth, fuck you for personal attacks on your blog, come and visit me in Vegas this summer so we can settle it? That is if you can back up your mouth!

What the matter Vendzilla? Cant take it? I told you fuckers in yer little forum when you were taking shots at me that you best have thick skin as I do....seems ya don't

Whatcha gonna do? Shoot me? LOL

I live to make examples out of idiots.

You call me an idiot? Your the one calling out a GFY moderator on GFY, what kind of idiot does that?

A reply from Helmy
 

hey Mike South...Alec Helmy here...

As far as me somehow facilitating .XXX to get approved - heh, as if I have that kinda power - thanks, I'm flattered.

Believe it or not, no one within the adult industry has the power to get .XXX approved.

What XBIZ has done is facilitate an open dialogue with a TLD that may get approved and has the power to impact our industry.

We can either turn a blind eye or instead try to learn about its plans, ask questions and do whatever we can to influence its direction for the best interest of the industry - I along with many others prefer the latter, as is evident in the number of folks attending the event.

Alec

To me if your going to be a moderator then you got to neutral but if your not leave your mod hat at home. Now here your being meek but at the other place you guys were beating Mike up.So to come here first threaten to beat him up and then threaten to use your powers as mod.If you going to get into it then dont bring up the threat your a mod not cool. Most internet people dont realize the reach Mike has.

So - basically a number of good points and concern shown - a few feathers ruffled, the usual "good guys" portrayals and infantile labelling of the majority of this industry and nothing in the way of answers as to whether Helmy personally supports the introduction of .XXX TDS's or not, or if he, or any of the businesses in which he is involved are potential benficiaries.

All that was asked for was a two or three character response - Yes or No. One can only assume, based on the track record.

Sheesh.. Not a good idea Vendzilla and not exactly of the level expected of any moderator. :disgust