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BoyAlley 12-13-2006 02:15 PM

FSC Says: DirectNic Violating Privacy Laws, Requests Are Illegal
 
Excellent reporting here by Steve Javors:

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=18587

Quote:

First Amendment attorney and Free Speech Coalition Chairman Jeffrey Douglas said the ID request is unprecedented, and more importantly, a violation of privacy laws. According to Douglas, the request is illegal, and also could have a chilling effect on the free speech of webmasters that deal in legal teen content.

?This is a blatant and absolute violation of privacy laws,? Douglas told XBIZ. ?There?s absolutely no legal liability for the registrar if underage models appear on a website. DirectNic is an officious intermeddler.?

who 12-13-2006 02:17 PM

That's good news. :)

Theo 12-13-2006 02:18 PM

of course all ex-oprano ass kissers are gonna skip this fact.

PMdave 12-13-2006 02:21 PM

What info are they requesting?

Agent 488 12-13-2006 02:22 PM

i thought they were stand up guys?

GonZo 12-13-2006 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel (Post 11521477)
of course all ex-oprano ass kissers are gonna skip this fact.

FSC has never lied to us either.

BoyAlley 12-13-2006 02:23 PM

FSC Says DirectNic are not the Internets Police:

Quote:

?The bottom line is that if [DirectNic] received a complaint about child porn, there are a numerous avenues for them to report it to the proper legal authorities,? Douglas said. ?DirectNic has no remote prayer to legally justify their request. They are licensed to provide a service ? not to police content. I would think that upon hearing this, most adult companies would transfer their domains [away from DirectNic] immediately.?

Pleasurepays 12-13-2006 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel (Post 11521477)
of course all ex-oprano ass kissers are gonna skip this fact.

really? for the first time, a legal analysis was offered explaining the liability issues. if DirectNIC was wrong... then they are wrong. Just because a band of idiots that didn't like something got together to express thier displeasure without addressing the relevant facts, doesn't mean they were right at that moment either.

DateDoc 12-13-2006 02:26 PM

Best said here:

Quote:

?DirectNic has no remote prayer to legally justify their request. They are licensed to provide a service ? not to police content. I would think that upon hearing this, most adult companies would transfer their domains [away from DirectNic] immediately.?
Well said!! :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

GonZo 12-13-2006 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11521522)
really? for the first time, a legal analysis was offered explaining the liability issues. if DirectNIC was wrong... then they are wrong. Just because a band of idiots that didn't like something got together to express thier displeasure without addressing the relevant facts, doesn't mean they were right at that moment either.

Got to draw the drama out. The charity sig work is slow this month.

aico 12-13-2006 02:30 PM

Jesus that was fast

dig420 12-13-2006 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11521522)
really? for the first time, a legal analysis was offered explaining the liability issues. if DirectNIC was wrong... then they are wrong. Just because a band of idiots that didn't like something got together to express thier displeasure without addressing the relevant facts, doesn't mean they were right at that moment either.

Didn't take much genius to see that they were overstepping thier bounds in the first place. The problem is that people like us HAVE to band together to keep people like YOU from running everybody else over with your own holier than thou brand of 'officious, meddling' morality. And we shouldn't have to.

bl4h 12-13-2006 02:31 PM

ya keep pushing the beast.

Soon enough youre gonna wish it was still up to the registars

Anthony 12-13-2006 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GonZo (Post 11521564)
Got to draw the drama out. The charity sig work is slow this month.

Don't be an idiot, his charity work isn't an issue to this discussion.

teenfunsfan 12-13-2006 02:32 PM

the FCS is not really doing a good job here.....

BoyAlley 12-13-2006 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11521522)
Just because a band of idiots that didn't like something got together to express thier displeasure without addressing the relevant facts, doesn't mean they were right at that moment either.

Maybe some of us "idiots" didn't comment on the "legality" of things, and only on the "right vs. wrong" aspect, because we knew a legal analysis by one of the countries top first amendment attorneys was on the way. :winkwink:

GonZo 12-13-2006 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 11521581)
Don't be an idiot, his charity work isn't an issue to this discussion.

Im always an idiot.

PMdave 12-13-2006 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teenfunsfan (Post 11521590)
the FCS is not really doing a good job here.....

always make sure people think they need you to save their ass...

Anthony 12-13-2006 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GonZo (Post 11521604)
Im always an idiot.

I see it is working great for you.

bl4h 12-13-2006 02:35 PM

thanks to the boyalleys of the past, looks where we are now :Oh crap

Pleasurepays 12-13-2006 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 11521577)
Didn't take much genius to see that they were overstepping thier bounds in the first place. The problem is that people like us HAVE to band together to keep people like YOU from running everybody else over with your own holier than thou brand of 'officious, meddling' morality. And we shouldn't have to.

people like me?? you are absolutely, completely and totally out of your fucking mind. i dont give a fuck about anyones site content. i really don't. i never said i did. the issue was about the law and what people kept referring to as "their rights" and what "rights" they do or dont have. it all boils down to very simple legal questions that were never answered until right now.

Can you get that through your thick fucking head?

but then again... what could we expect from a poly-sci major from Berkley whos simplistic world view has broken everything down into black and white... "white" being "liberal democrat" and "black" being "evil conservatives"

jesus christ. you need to get out of the fucking compound more.

Pleasurepays 12-13-2006 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11521602)
Maybe some of us "idiots" didn't comment on the "legality" of things, and only on the "right vs. wrong" aspect, because we knew a legal analysis by one of the countries top first amendment attorneys was on the way. :winkwink:

i like you in a non-gay way and it totally pisses me off.

JFK 12-13-2006 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GonZo (Post 11521604)
Im always an idiot.

dont it make you feel right at home ?? :Graucho

eroswebmaster 12-13-2006 02:39 PM

What I find funny, is that in their attempt at avoiding liability, they stepped right into it. :1orglaugh

Quote:

Douglas continued, ?Again, under federal law they have no right to these documents, so now they have no protection from civil liability. They are immune from policing content under the law, but now by doing so they have created liability. DirectNic is lawlessly intruding into their business.?

GonZo 12-13-2006 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 11521621)
I see it is working great for you.

Dont mind me. Im imploding.

teenfunsfan 12-13-2006 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PMdave (Post 11521620)
always make sure people think they need you to save their ass...

yeah and while they are doing that they are also trying to protect the ones that actually don't run a honest business

Anthony 12-13-2006 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK (Post 11521650)
dont it make you feel right at home ?? :Graucho

Julius, you are on GFY, not Oprano. :1orglaugh

GonZo 12-13-2006 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK (Post 11521650)
dont it make you feel right at home ?? :Graucho

Your a top notch guy... bring me a drink will you?

Anthony 12-13-2006 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GonZo (Post 11521664)
Dont mind me. Im imploding.

Sorry, is that the mating call of the Loser I'm hearing?

eroswebmaster 12-13-2006 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11521522)
really? for the first time, a legal analysis was offered explaining the liability issues. if DirectNIC was wrong... then they are wrong. Just because a band of idiots that didn't like something got together to express thier displeasure without addressing the relevant facts, doesn't mean they were right at that moment either.

As has already been pointed out...common sense played hugely in understanding the issues going on.

Just be a man, and say..."I'm sorry BoyAlley, I was wrong, you were right."

GonZo 12-13-2006 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 11521682)
Sorry, is that the mating call of the Loser I'm hearing?

No its your leasing agent.

JFK 12-13-2006 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GonZo (Post 11521675)
Your a top notch guy... bring me a drink will you?

With, or without umbrella??:drinkup

makefuckingmoney 12-13-2006 02:47 PM

this policy would only make me use directnic more.. i have ZERO problem with it.

Anthony 12-13-2006 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GonZo (Post 11521699)
No its your leasing agent.

No idea what you are talking about, I don't lease a car or home.

Have you found a car you can fit into yet?

sarettah 12-13-2006 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel (Post 11521477)
of course all ex-oprano ass kissers are gonna skip this fact.



Ooops, almost missed this, sorry bout that.

The nice thing about what was Oprano was that facts never got skipped, if people were wrong, they ponied on up and said "I was wrong".

In this case, I don't happen to agree with the FSC lawyer and I have a lawyer friend of mine checking things out to give me his opinion before I pony up. If Jim agrees with the FSC, then I will say I was wrong, but so far he is telling me that DN can ask for anything they fucking please and are not in violation of the law by doing so. Whether Slick has to comply is another story alltogether.


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dig420 12-13-2006 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11521626)
people like me?? you are absolutely, completely and totally out of your fucking mind. i dont give a fuck about anyones site content. i really don't. i never said i did. the issue was about the law and what people kept referring to as "their rights" and what "rights" they do or dont have. it all boils down to very simple legal questions that were never answered until right now.

Can you get that through your thick fucking head?

but then again... what could we expect from a poly-sci major from Berkley whos simplistic world view has broken everything down into black and white... "white" being "liberal democrat" and "black" being "evil conservatives"

jesus christ. you need to get out of the fucking compound more.


yeah people like you. EVERY time an issue comes up regarding someone's "rights" - your quote, and isn't that telling - you're on the bandwagon, pounding the drums, being as LOUD as you possibly fucking can about how stupid we are for thinking we as individuals even have any "rights". You're basically an evil person, and someone needs to make sure you know this. You're the bad guy. You're the bookburner, the brownshirt, the censor, the bigot. Everything I hate.

Now fuck off.

RawAlex 12-13-2006 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11521522)
really? for the first time, a legal analysis was offered explaining the liability issues. if DirectNIC was wrong... then they are wrong. Just because a band of idiots that didn't like something got together to express thier displeasure without addressing the relevant facts, doesn't mean they were right at that moment either.

Plus we can take Mr. Douglas's comments and put it with the "no 2257 inspections" protection that FSC promised and file it under "good intentions".

Mr Douglas does not address the ToS from Directnic, the terms under which the domain was leased. The only ones who can determine Directnic's liability in the issue would be in a court of law, and any action does to mitigate that liability would work in their favor at a future point.

Mr Douglas may be correct, but it isn't his business and his personal pocketbook on the line. If he was working for Directnic, was licensed to practice law in that state, and was privy to the information that Directnic is faced with, I suspect his opinion might be somewhat different.

GonZo 12-13-2006 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 11521724)
No idea what you are talking about, I don't lease a car or home.

Have you found a car you can fit into yet?

Im looking at a Camero in Charlotte. I have a great idea for a custom tag for it.

Thanks for asking!

Juicy D. Links 12-13-2006 02:55 PM

http://www.nymalegigolos.com/master-pics/huh.gif

Pleasurepays 12-13-2006 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eroswebmaster (Post 11521694)
As has already been pointed out...common sense played hugely in understanding the issues going on.

Just be a man, and say..."I'm sorry BoyAlley, I was wrong, you were right."

Why? its not an issue of common sense. its a simple issue of the policy of a private company, where those policies are within the law and whether or not their request and action was a lawful request/action.

has nothing at all to do with common sense.

supporting it or not supporting it might. but the question was never "do you agree with this". i dont think anyone in their right mind would agree that a registrar should be able to lock your domain for any reason that is not related to its transfer and any issue that might arise during transfer.

in that respect, of course i agree with BoyAlley. but "rights" and "legal" and "illegal" are not subjective ideas. they are codified in law.


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