Wondering why I wasn't in Phoenix? **Ripoff Drama**
 

Ask him.

I loaned him $400 in February; it was supposed to be paid back within a few days. I haven't had an email since late Feb or a phone call since early March. I am a "PollyAnna" type who likes to hope for the best, and I really hope there is a legit explaination (sp?), but at this point, it looks painfully obvious that I've been ripped off.

That was my flight money for Phoenix; I told him I needed it back to buy my tickets. Now, things have gone to shit at home, (which is why I have been scarce..I don't have a laptop and I really avoid being home because my brother, who is staying here right now, too, harasses me whenever I do), and I'm trying to get a new place, and that $400 would definitely help, but it's doubtful I will ever see it again. What really chaps my ass is the fact that here you have a guy with very expensive home and a nice, newish car, and he ripped off a divorced mom with three kids who is currently living with her mother.

I'd hate to see anyone else in my shoes, so I decided to take some advice I received about letting folks know about what happened. I hate making a drama thread, but I kind of felt like I had to do it. I have to chalk it up to an expensive lesson learned, that's for sure, but hopefully no one else will have to do the same.

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Wow hun that sucks.

:(

well ya missed a good one.... sucks.

People do suck.

Wow, that blows. What made you lend him your "last" 400 bucks though? Was he shopping for a new liver or what? Hope you manage to get it back.

I haven't seen harmon for a while.. must be in hiding?

What I was wondering

ahh dam that sucks , give the $400 back

Thanks.

It wasn't my "last" $400; it was earmarked for the Phoenix trip, so, thankfully it wasn't crucial to my family's survival. But that doesn't mean it isn't missed, or that it shouldn't be repaid, no matter what it was for.

He said that his bank was holding a large check for longer then he anticipated, and it put him in a pinch. Having just gone through a similar situation with the insurance check my mom received after my Dad's death in December, I was sympathetic, and I had that cash set aside, so I loaned it to him to get him through until the funds from the check were released. We live just a few miles apart and have gotten together several times for drinks or lunch/dinner, and I considered him a friend. Apparently, I was mistaken.

Well have you gone to his house yet? I would if I were you.

3 miles apart and you brought it to GFY?

Well if you only leave a few miles apart go camp in front of his house with a sign that says "This ass munch owes me $400 and wont pay."

He lives in a gated community; I can't get in without his approval.

why the fuck would you lend anyone money?

I ask myself constantly that on almost a daily basis. Sadly, those you think you can trust are those you can't. :(

I've been in pinches before and had friends help me out. I was just doing the same. It's obvious now it was stupid; the fact that I am out $400 and missed a great show tells me that. I don't need you to beat it into my head, as well. I am just trying to keep someone else from making the same mistake.

I just wanted to clarify that my last post was not directed at you, sweet thang.:winkwink:

this is why gated communities were invented

thieves suck

i can't count how many times i have heard this excuse from various wm's asking the borrowing wm for their money back. as a matter of fact, a friend of mine, who had someone pretty well known in the industry living with him, heard the same exact excuse about 3 years ago.

it totally sucks that a person can't do the right thing when someone helps them out. no wonder we all hate each other :)

I don't know but I would go there and get in when someone is coming out or something. BTW if you ever want to give $$ next time just send it to me!!!! (that's a joke)

;)

joke or not I'm sure you would pay it back

Come on man you can't figure a way in. Be a little creative.

And if you can't get in, all the more reason to go to his place with a sign.

I would.


:)

Did I hear a dog chain being unleashed?

There is a rule of thumb when you lend a friend, or family money.

"You wont get it back"

Who knew gated communities were invented to protect thieves. *shrug* I doubt he'd answer even if I was able to get in, anyway, and ya know, I'm not big on the idea of knocking on his door anyway, because obviously some of what he told me are lies and if I can't trust him with my money, I am not going to trust him with my safety. Maybe he'd call the cops, lie to them and have ME arrested if I went there, or maybe he'd pull a gun on me. Doubtful, for sure, but let's face it, his character is in question, so I'm not placing myself in his hands. Particularly when you factor in my 2yo daughter that is almost always with me.

jdavis, obviously you want me to be the bad guy, and I really don't give a shit what you think. I just wanted to keep you or anyone else from making the same mistake I did, and if that makes me an asshole, I won't lose any sleep over it.

I'm thankful it didn't impact my family as far as meeting our needs. It likely did impact my business because I missed out on show networking *and* it took me longer to get the money to move together so I can work at my usual pace/schedule. That sucks, but I'll get through it.

How would you be the bad guy? You lent him money and he fucked you over. I don't get it. My drawing was meant to make you laugh!

Quite right.

My girlfriend told me her husband's rule is: If you can't afford to lose it, you can't afford to lend it. :thumbsup

weren't you scratching around to get the money together to move not so long ago? why would you then loan money to someone else when you're not on your feet yet?

I moved in with my mom in September. Definitely cuts expenses down. My ex and I made an arrangement for child support..I paid expenses for them for all of last year, and he gave me his tax refund to reimburse me. I set some of it aside to attend the Phoenix forum. That is what I loaned the money from.

So, again, thankfully, it did NOT affect my ability to provide for my family.

However, it does not matter why I loaned it, where I loaned it from, or whether I could afford it or not..the fact is he is wrong to not repay me, period.

Harmon the troll lives in a gated community? trailer parks have gates?

LOL
Let me tell you, I looked up property records, public records, etc, to see what else he lied about, and his house is worth my old house, times six or seven.:warning

Probably his grand parents..

Now, spending the weekend immersed in pink would completely make up for the whole thing.:winkwink:

I realize the money is gone, and I take responsibility for making a poor decision. That doesn't mean I absolve him of his responsibility to repay me, but I acknowledge that I had a hand in this shitty thing that happened and, once bitten, twice shy, so I won't be making that same poor decision again.

I don't feel it's worth the energy to try to force his hand; because the longer I immerse myself in recovery efforts, the longer it takes me to just put the negative experience behind me and move on. I can't control what HE does, I can only control what I do. It took me some hard and careful thought before I decided to post this thread, because I don't like to be the one to start up a shit storm, and I even asked for advice without giving his identity on another smaller forum to gather other opinions on whether I should call him out or not. It boiled down to this..if I can't trust him to pay me back, how can anyone who buys sigs trust him, or anything of that nature. Shady practices in friendships could be a good indicator of shady business practices, so people have a right to know, and to decide for themselves if they want to take that risk or not.

He hasn't posted here in a long time. Are you sure he isn't sick or worst?

Sorry to hear about this. I hope you get it back.

I am not absolutely sure, since he hasn't contacted me in some time.

However, the last time I did speak with him, (according to my cell records, March 10th), he said he was out of town and had called home to retrieve his voicemail and had received my message. He said he would be home in a few days, and his friend was having a party the day after he got home and he invited me to go with him. I never heard from him again.

The day after the party he had invited me to, I called again and a woman answered. I didn't know what the deal was..if it was a girl from the party or what, so I left a message with my name and number and didn't give any other information about why I was calling. Until the very last message I left, I was very guarded about what I said in my voicemails, because I didn't want to make waves for him if someone else overheard them. I was hoping there was some reasonable reason for the delay and I was not trying to be an asshole at all.

There are other reasons why I believe it is a deliberate attempt to avoid me, but I'd rather not share them here.