Native Americans
 

You have to feel bad for all of the Native Americans who had no control over their land and lost nearly all claims to the land that they inhabited for tens of thousands of years.

I was thinking about it the other day when I was at the Seminole Casino.

Kind of sad that they lost nearly everything they had.

yep. horrible.

It could of been worse.

yeah galleryseek

True. But is the tens of thousand of years thing true?

They got Munsoned. You know when you have the world in the palm of your hands and you let it just slip away.

they were totally screwed

There is evidence that white man first landed here 17,000 years ago following a land bridge from Europe.

The native Americans were already settled in many areas by that time.

Ok, so for tens of thousands of years the best they could do is come up with little shacks made out of buffalo ass to live in.

We take their shit, true, but in just a few hundred years, they're now running casinos and all of that.

Sure, many of them still live in little shit shacks, but that's because they try to run their own governments, and apparently haven't evolved socially much since they days they lived in buffalo ass housing.

Let me tell you. Most of the tribes are now making upfor that with cash. If they have a casino, the money that it makes has to be devided between tribe members.

A friend just got her papers from her tribe along with her first monthly check. It was 18k.

they said that the money goes up and down, depending on the income, but it is usually pretty high.

Ok, I live close to a reservation one of the poorest in the country by the way. My opinions of them are different then most people because most people have not seen how these Native Americans go about their lives. Sure they got land took away from them etc, but all they do NOW is sit at home, drink and do drugs. 90% of them are that way on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. Now the other 10% are awesome and actually work and raise there family with morals. The others have has many kids as they can because then they get a bigger check from the government every fucking month...

well, they own YOU if you gamble at their casinos.

same shit here in Canada... though they're good to have on your side, these guys are the worst wife beaters, alcoholics, junkies and all that shit. thats what happens when you get raised already knowing you dont need to work in order to live comfortably. these guys got some kick ass weed though, and they sell guns too

thank you. :thumbsup

it's amazing what is taught in our schools to the kids growing up. as a native american i don't even want to get started really with anyone on this subject, but i can tell you that the history of this country is nothing close to what people are brainwashed to believe.

when i see you next i'll have to tell you some of the stories and facts that i have learned investigating my heritage and history.

brutally amazing and disgusting how it all went down.

sad.

i don't defend how the current tribes act. i know how they act, i've been to some of the reservations, and i don't blame them for not giving a fuck. reparations keep them in their little corner where they belong. they have the minimum to get by in most resos i have been to. if the government gave you check each week and you didn't have to work at all, half of you on this board would be drunk all the time too if you saw where they have to live. its not as sugar coated as it all looks.

Airek I didn't know that you had native blood in you. Do you have enough to get help from ther government?

It is sad that a nation of people lost everything because they didn't have the means or the understanding to defend themselves and their land.
It's easy to blame them for their own losses now, it's not right to, but it's easy.

However, command and conquer is an age old strategy for cultural advancement.

I'm surprised that Native Americans aren't more terriorial than they are. A lot of the land that many of us have homes on was probably owned or inhabited by Native Americans at one time or another.

What our (Americans) ancestors did to Native Americans was disgraceful and wrong. This country was founded on lies, violence, and crime.

And it thrives on it to this day.

yes, and i also have enough of that blood to get assistance, but what for? i'd never want to live out there in the middle of south dakota. Brrrrrrrrrr. i also have enough of that blood in me to put a business on indian land. :winkwink: its not the easiest thing to do, but if i wanted, yes i technically could. i've consulted with legal people and a company that specializes in tracing ancestral roots. i should post pics of my great grandfather. knowing this fucking board and some of the dirtballs that fall in here, i'd find him photochopped in something gay, and that would not sit well with me.


i've always said that if i ever failed at what i am doing in life i can always get away, get some money, and leave it all behind. can you imagine though?

And Freedom of Religion.

Yeah it's probably a good idea to keep personal things personal.

However, perhaps you could have the only Native American Sponsor Program. Native American women as your main niche..... Hmmm, you've got to think that if they are already into Tobacco and Gambling this would be a great income too, afterall the other things are also forms of adult entertainment.

when you see how much they are given here..they have every opportunity to rise to the top level...they just choose not to...i dont gie a flying fuck about them..and im from way up north...where it is mostly just indians

Everybody is bitching about the Natives, but you know what? WHITE PEOPLE DID THIS TO THEM! In Canada, we rounded up all the Native kids, took them away from their families to be raised (by raised, I mean being beaten, demoralized, sexually assaulted, and abused in pretty much every conceivable way) by cranky Catholics at far away residential homes for a couple of generations. This action resulted in the Natives losing all sense of self, community, and purpose.

Sure, we eventually closed down the schools and put the Natives on reservations to rebuild their communities, but you know what? All that damage that the Catholic residences did is what NOW gets passed down from generation to generation. Our modern Natives don't have the connections to their heritage that bring them peace of mind and purpose anymore -- and WE DID THAT TO THEM.

I am very saddened by this, and while I acknowledge that it is the responsibility of each Native to find their own purpose in life and create their own successes (just like the rest of us), we certainly had a huge hand in handicapping them in the first place!

I think that many people forget about the issue of culture. It's something that stays with us and it's also the reason for stereotypes and generational gapping.

It's sometimes not politically correct to touch on someone's heritage as perhaps the reason for certain actions but it's often one main reason in the truth and reality of the situation.

For example, if you are Russian or Scottish or German in Heritage, either first or second generation in America your propensity to beome a millionaire on little or no formal education is higher than other nationalities. That's of course a stereotype, but that's what happens when people with a common trait act a common way.

You did effectively stereotype many Native Americans, but you have to understand the situation through their paradigms if you want to truly understand that they choose not to succeed when given opportunities that many others do no have. Their culture is much older than the modern cultures that we're used to until white man came along they were happy in a much less civilized society and did just fine. They didn't deal with Eastern diseases and many of the societal issues that plagued Europe.

In fact, I'd venture to say that their standard of living while primitive was much higher than that of those who invaded them.

total crap...we didnt do shit...they choose not to participate with the rest of the world...and for the most part you dont hear them complaining

Amen, they didn't ask for us to be here. They graciously accepted us into their culture. We mesmerized them with our technology and advancement and took advantage of their kindness and lack of protection.

I've got native blood in me as well, and have been taking the First Nations studies at Uni for 2 yrs now, along with my general history courses.

Believe A1R3K when he says that the actual history is nothing like what they teach you in high school. Not even close. Not only that, but the whole situation is not even close to being as "historical" as we would like, & there's a lot of things still happening even today that many people are not aware of.

in some sick way i find this humorous. :1orglaugh

i haven't even mentioned the corruption within tribes where the chief and tribal leaders all drive mercedes and the people live in poverty. this isn't happening in my particular tribe, but there are some tribes that are kept in poverty by their own people. in my eyes the original invaders and murderers are the ones responsible for this as well.

people who don't understand the history really shouldn't open cans that they can't close. the mess that is the current indian reservation system was created by and is the reponsibility of the american government and their forefathers.

anyone want to try to justify why the u.s. government pays out all that money every month to all these tribes? why do they do it?

Ok another Indian here (well sort of 25% Indian).

People did do shit. What we are talking about was mass genocide. Then ultimately conquering an entire race of people. Gathering them all up and placing them in ghetto's. Latter to discover those ghetto's were to good (they still had natural resources) and relocating many of them again to even worse ghetto's devoid of any real resources at all.
Also keep in mind not so long ago assorted indians said they were black instead of Indian so they would be treated with less racism and hatred (pre-1920's).
After they had been pushed down as far as any society can be. They were often stripped of their offspring who would be raised in assorted orphanages or schools. Their entire culture was stripped away and they were brought up to hate everything they were. People went as far as attempting to remove their heritage, their beliefs, and even their languages. Those adults who resisted or attempted to speak out were often labeled trouble makers and criminals, many of which where arrested by the federal government only to have their children also taken away. They have been conditioned to never complain, and history has shown that if they do they get punished even more.
Then having them rely and depend on government money to survive just furthered the conquered mentality and kept them in check. When someone else controls the purse strings you often just shut up and do what your told or taught to do.

That's true.

History books on the same topic will depend on the authors and paradigms under which they were written.

I'd like to read text books talking about WWII from a German perspective and compare and contrast the accounts of the same situations with American textbooks.

Depending on the paradigm, some things are sugar coated and other things are demonized. The only what to know what has happened in a situation is to have been there yourself.

Wait till Russel Means or however you spell his name finds this thread!

A1R3K, you been to the Pine Ridge Reservation? Some crazy shit still going on up there. I'm about 30 minutes from hidding tribe land so I hear about it all the time.

I'm glad that this is a positive thread. What actually brought this up was thinking about how my buddy's car got stolen the other day. Yes, totally unrelated but I thought man that must be an awful feeling to know someone else violated your trust and stole and destroyed your property. I'd be mighty pissed.

Now think if someone came in, took your home, told you and your family how to live, where to live, destroyed your property and then tried to forget about it for a few hundred years only to come back and say sorry with some financial compensation.

I guess it's unfair to really make that comparison because the world of today is much different than the world of even 100 years ago much less 300 years ago.

no, i've mostly been to the ones in california. i hear that the further away from civilization you get, the more primative they are.

check out this link

good thing we all don't live in china or this wouldn't even be available for people to see. now, of course we know everything we read on the internet is true, but 1.7 million results might hold some truth if you can dig through all the propaganda and hate in these little gems here.

http://www.google.com/search?q=ameri...en-US:official

that was horrible

Are they still forced to live on reservations? lol

If they wanted they could take all of that casino money and buy hordes of property in the wilderness of the US and live like their ancestors. Why don't they do this? The white man may have fucked up a lot of their ancestors but their future is in their own hands.

Oh yeah thats right. They all get truck loads of casino cash.

you're a fucking idiot

you think roads & pollution and economic proggress is what everyone wants huh?

The ones who came here by that time (17,000 years ago) using that land bridge connecting Russia and North America could have been the ancestors of the native americans. White men just came here right after Amerigo Vespucci discovered the place on the 15th century.

My ancestors are Cherokee nation. We think this "poor indian" stuff is a bunch of crap. It's comical

My Cherokee ancestors were viscious warriors and very spiritual. They would NOT make peace and fought to the death.. But My Great Great Great Grandmother could see in the future (in dreams and visions) and predicted that our bloodline would mix with the whites and become one people. She said that in the future... her mixed grandchildren would know they were Cherokee because they would be able to see in the future too.