Turkey rejects latest EU proposals
 

ANKARA, Turkey Turkey's Foreign Ministry said Monday that Turkey has rejected proposed changes to its framework agreement with the EU, deepening a crisis as EU leaders tried to overcome a deadlock over starting European Union entry talks.

Accession talks are scheduled to open later Monday, but Austria has insisted that Turkey is offered a partnership if full membership talks do not work out.

Turkey has said it will only accept full membership talks.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Namik Tan said that ''the EU has proposed some changes to the framework document....

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/...eb.1003EU2.php


Doesn't look good to me.

Some countries are already suggesting they wont be a full member but just a member on the sideline.

For sure theyve got a lot to arrange there before becoming an EU members, esp human rights situations

Are you in favour of Turkey joining the European Union?

which human right situations? i tought turkey is a free country! :thumbsup

Looks perfect.....
The thing the EU really needs now is a few million muslim gold diggers.

A majority of Europeans simply don't want Turkey in the EU. Austria is the only country actually listening to the citizens.

I have been to Turkey and have a few friends from there. Its a very poor country and there is a lot of shit going on behind the scenes. Poverty, torture, death penalty, corruption.

I dont want them in our EU until they sort their shit out and become more humane.

Turkey is a runaway middle eastern shithole.

Mostly, Turkish people are fine, however.

Yep it is interesting. The further centralised the power is the less and less they give a shit about what the people actually think. It is about time the EU practiced what they preached.

I agree. That's good news.

If Turkey enters the EU we would border Syria, Iraq and Iran.
I say again, Syria, Iraq and Iran....

Because of the Schengen agreement people would just have to cross Turkey's outer borders to move freely amongst the EU member states.
Fat chance that's EVER gonna happen. Ofcourse if Turkey ever got any kind of EU membership they would probably not be part of the Schengen agreement anyway.

But Turkey will never be a member. It's not Europe, and people don't want them in.

Apparently you missed the news update:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051002/...i_ea/eu_turkey

"The EU and the European people have always seen Turkey as a European state, " Straw said

By the way, when did the BBC become the Islamic News Channel?

Straw has no idea what the European people think or want.

oh yeah amazing free country lol

Turkey: Officials Try to Shut Down Rights Group

(New York, September 27, 2005)?The threat by Turkish officials to close down an organization defending lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people's rights violates basic freedoms of association and expression, Human Rights Watch said today.

Selahattin Ekremoglu, deputy governor of the Turkish capital Ankara, on September 15 wrote a letter to the gay and lesbian group Kaos GL that said a court procedure had been opened to dissolve the organization. He claimed that the name and regulations of the group violated a provision in the Turkish Civil Code that forbids "establishing any organization that is against the laws and principles of morality."

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/09/27/turkey11784.htm

Exactly the reason why they should not even be considered to be part of the EU.

What's even more funny that in our country a lot of pepple talk shit about Turkish people, but in the summer they do go on holiday to Turkey because its cheap. :1orglaugh

I do not go to Turkey because I don't like the type of people, period.

Turkey really shouldnt join the EU.

As soon as you leave the tourists places you'll see a lot of shit, people living under rocks, in camps and shit...

Turkey looks nice in the magazines but there's definetly still a shitload of poverty....

are you Greek?

My brother goes to Turkey every summer, and he says it's just great /not to nemtion cheap;) /, why is mostly Asian country even applying to a Europen Union membership is beyond me.....

You should cause the Turkish ppl in places like Marmaris arent represented in Holland. Live there is cool and reasonably wealthy, the ones who all came to Holland are the poorest Turkish ppl, like in every country.

Its like Paris isnt France, whole different area, different ppl, different way of life.

Never saw a burka in Alanya just 18yo topless girls :)

Nah he isnt, noone here knows bout the Greek/Turkish deal, basically a lotta ppl hate Turkish ppl here cause they say they stole our jobs n all, which is complete BS since we asked them to come to Holland in the 70s (and even earlier).

Like with everything there are cool Turkish ppl and complete assholes too.

I'm not against Turkey joining the E.U, there are some fundemental problems however that do not revolve around religion. E.G They're not even part of Europe? :1orglaugh

Very very true.

But at least I am being consequent myself. I don't like turkish people here so I will not spend a dime in their country either. And nobody's gonna change that! :)

Yes and btw I'm Greek

I don't really care if they join. If they meet the economic conditions and such, I could care less if they're Muslims or Christians...

Religion has nothing to do with it. It will have one big influence for both german and dutch governments, theyll have inside info bout social security payouts in Turkey, a lot more then now, its cool for the Turkish there, its not so cool for those who have been telling our governments they have 10 children in Turkey and now face penalties.

... and for all the dutchies who have appartments in Alanya they didnt tell the IRS bout... the dutch government already published the fees they gotta pay and ill tell you that aint nice

i agree, religion just has nothing to do with it

Glad you understood too cause that german fellow sure didnt

turkey is going to join the eu, and it will be a good thing.

all you racists will have to live with it, or move to america.

The people of Turkey have no business being included in the EU. They are not indiginous to Europe in any way at all and the only reason they have anything of value is because they stole it from the Greeks.

Their refusual to comply to EU sanctions further goes to show that they should not only have their application revoked, but that all her enemies should attack and destroy her once and for all.

The government is a piece of shit for keeping their people down and poverty stricken for generations and the way they have treated Greeks for centuries by seizing assets, property and wealth is comparable only to the holocaust that the Jews cry about every chance they get.

Turkey is a Muslim country from the Middle East and should not even be considered for inclusion to the EU. Case Closed.

Amen. :thumbsup

And the greeks? They stole it from the Ottomans.

what he said.

Turkey is welcome at my house for Thanksgiving.

Yeah lets dig up one million yrs old history. Turkish ppl are always SO damn good at that. Maybe you should realize this is bout todays politics not about some fight 5000 yrs ago.

Did you ever wonder why Greece is there and Turkey wont be in the EU for another decade or 3?

Thats EXACTLY why most ppl hate turkish ppl, the stuck up turkey is mighty attitude. Dude Turkey is poor and the part that isnt, isnt because ppl from Holland and Russia go there and spend serious cash. Not because of the fact the Turkish government succeeded.

Itll take ages before they join.

They have a long way to go if they want to be a part of EU

Have you ever thought bout the funds change there? Did you ever think bout the fact what will happen if they would join the Euro? Theyll get the biggest inflation in history.

One million turkish Lira will be not even half a Euro.

Ever considered what that would do prizes in Turkey? Employment? Social security? Stupid Ottoman comment, you are so clueless.

What a load of self-righteous sanctmonous crap!
The only reason why Turkey is being given this load of crap is because they are Islamic.

Turkey has been a strong ally of the west.
It is a democratic nation.
They have thier house in order and there is no crap about human rights violations now.

Turkey has been player in Europe from the time of the Roman Empire. And add to this that the comments on "There needs to be a common approach to the way the E.U does things." Is just plain ignorant and blatent discrimination.

If it was Canada asking for membership, they would be bending over backwards to prove why it has a claim.

I doubt Turkey will ever qualify for EU membership, I also doubt that all EU member states would unanimously approve of Turkey joining.

Here's what I think will happen, they'll talk and talk, then have meetings, and talk, and committees, and talk, and blah, and talk....this will go on for the next 20 years, and eventually they'll say "fuck it" or there will eventually be a referendum which will get voted down, and then they'll repeat this process all over again.

Thats an owl dipshit.

Lol youre too funny. Did you even see the post I made earlier on? That was this weeks news. They banned a group supporting gay and lesbian rights.

No issues on human rights. Right. Youre funny.

Until a few yrs ago women couldnt even file a complaint against domestic violence in Turkey.

Read this http://www.wwhr.org/id_637

And if you wanna read more...

http://theory.rockefeller.edu/~giannak/turkey.html
http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/turkey/turk7.htm
http://www.irct.org/usr/irct/home.nsf/unid/BKEN-5HLGAN
http://www.fidh.org/article.php3?id_article=522