Money isn't everything.
 

If you believe that....prove it.

Why prove it?

I know that it isn't and that's good enough for me :)

It's not everything, but if you don't have it it sure feels like it's everything

...and if you do, you can afford the luxury to stop an contemplate it. :upsidedow


To me, that would reinforce the idea that money is "everything".

So... what can you have without money?

When you do believe money is everything, it already proves different. Of course money is important, but health, happiness, and friendships are more important IMO.

Health, happiness and friendship(s)

I still like to revel in it.

Money, like everything else, is what you make it.

Health: Your good health is being attacked from so many angles these days it's sick. Unfortunately, your ill health is good business to many companies who would (and do) make sure that as many people as possible are constantly in varying degrees of poor health. Also, healthcare and mainstream/western medicine these days is designed to maximize profit... which might not always mean the best treatment plan for you - insurance or not.

You would really have to go to some pretty great lengths to truely have optimial health for your age these days -- and you can bet that will cost you a pretty penny.

Besides that, have you ever seen a person who has no money? They usually don't look very healthy.


Happiness: Considering the statements above & below, how could you be happy without money? I've seen a lot of people with no money... they usually aren't very happy.


Friendships: Friendships? Without money, I suppose you could build strong friendships with other people living down at the river who smell as much like ass as you would. Since, having no money, you probably wouldn't have bathed in awhile. But would those be true friends? or friends of circumstance? And regardless of the last time your ass was washed, would any of your friends not sell you out for a certain sum of money given the opportunity?

if you get sick and don't have money to pay for health insurance or doctors visits, then you are screwed and ultimately become unhappy due to your illness. very few people will stick around (only true friends) when a person is really sick.

so the bottom line here is that money creates a trickle down effect which assists with health, happiness and friendships. if you think otherwise, you're clueless.

why do you give extreme examples?
completely haing no money is extreme, and different than just being poor

and then again, would you want to make $100k per month and spending the saturday evenings on GFY because you have no friends?

Someone once told me something and it was very sound so i thought i would repeat it...

Use money to live but dont live for money

thats what matters.. true friends

if someone asked you to chose between your money or

1) Friends
2) Family
3) Health

I know i wouldnt chose money over any of those....

That being said, if someone offered me a million pounds to cut my thumb off, or die a year earlier i probably would take it :D

Evan

Very true.

How is money supposed to be everything? Money is a means to get everything... that's like saying that writing is a book. Writing can lead to a book, it doesn't mean that it IS a book.

What if you work for room and board while going to school? Well then, you bypass the whole money situation entirely don't you? You're getting food... you're getting shelther, you're even doing some work but there's no money in the equation. There's a "value" but no money.
Therefore you're getting something, you're doing something and there's no money... conclusion? It's not EVERYTHING.

Money = Problems, not happiness

unfortunately almost everyone on this board lives for money...

they want to become the next Lensman, Hun, Sleazy, whoever

instead of being happy to be making 5 times more than the guy working in McDonalds, they are unhappy because they make 50 times less than TheHun... LOL

Because life is extreme.

And for this exercise, you have either 0 money or as much as you want.

idiot....

A rich life :)

Rich doesn't have to mean a lot of money.

That is completely wrong. First thing people do to anything (even bartering) is attach a monetary value.

What is more likely is the person saying this room and board would go for X amount of dollars so why dont you work for me for X amount of hours and we'll call it even...

I know if i were to barter content for design work (for example) i would try to get a design of equal value to the content i was licensing the person..

MONEY IS EVERYTHING


It's just that some people tend to put other priorities ahead of it and not let it consume them, like fathers who turn down job promotions because it wouldnt leave them with enough time for family.

In these days, Rich does mean money, Lucky is for good true friends and health

Yeah I've heard something like that too.

But again, that enforces the idea that zero money = zero life, and also suggests that you should only make enough money to get yourself (and your family?) by.

When its time for me to buy a house i think i'll tell the bank "Money isnt everything, why dont i clean your offices instead of paying you back" and see how it goes over.

Not necessarily. If you want it to be a problem, you can make it a problem.

Show off that you have a lot of money, then it's bound to become a problem for you.

I've lived just fine without seeing a dollar... lasted for a couple years. Yes, things I did or got had a monetary value, but that doesn't mean that it had anything to do with money.

For your argument to work, you have to say that "value is everything", not money.

Bartering was around long before money, it had nothing to do with money but people wanted to get equal value out of their trades.

How could it have been about money if money wasn't invented yet?

It's actually sad you think like this. Oh well, your choice. Of course money is nice. But I prefer a "normal" amount and have a good health/friends/happiness etc, then extremely rich, and no real friends, bad health etc.

Iknow many rich ppl, who go alone on hollidays, or just visit every webmaster event. because they do not have any friends to go on holliday with...

that is a better way of putting it, if people know you have money, your a target.

Using your own analogy - without writing, there would be no book.

I agree with zero money = zero life, what kind of life could you lead as a homeless person who isnt able to sustain themselfs? Where would you live? what would you eat? what would you wear?

Im by no means saying you need to wear designer clothes or live in big houses but i do believe that there is a certian point that is crossed between having money and not having ANY money that makes life worth living or not...

I enjoy coming home to a warm bed, food in my belly, coffee in my cup, all of which require money...but thats just me.

Let's consider this...

you spend $10k on the sharpest clothing you can find, and dress it up to the nines.... and go out on the town.

You hit a club and walk in, thinking you're making the best entrance ever.

You stand there for about 4 hours having never talked to a single person, sipping on your 3rd drink that you're trying to make last because you don't want to get drunk for nothing, but you're starting to pound them back a little faster and faster as you begin to feel more and more lonely.

People in rags are dancing around you, laughing and having the time of your life.... yet you lack the courage to say hi, much less grab someone you don't know and dance.

Now, you sit down at a table by yourself and feel completely useless and pathetic because you have the most expensive clothes in the room and can't make a friend to save your life.

Yup, good thing you've got all that money cause hey.... money is everything, so who needs friends?

Wrong, ever heard of a picture book?

Wow, guess writing isn't everything either then huh?

i think it's safe to say a person like that, didn't have any real friends before he/she came into money. having money doesn't cause you grief. a person causes themselves grief.

i can tell you that having money will tell you who is real and who isn't.

Money isn't everything.
 

All are valid points.

But something is getting lost here in the phrasing of the central question.

The question is not whether it is possible to live without money -- we all agree it's not possible, and that in ALL circumstances it is better to have money than not.

The meaningful question is what is your perspective of money?

I am interested in money, but I say that anyone who believes that money is EVERYTHING is more limited in their ability to appreciate life than even the poorest person.

It should be possible to have an appreciation for money's practical value, and even to become very skilled in the acquisition of money, WITHOUT having to make a religion of it -- :2 cents:



j-

I was homeless for 6 months of my life, and as far as where would you be? there are shelters, places to take showers, have a supper, so on and so forth. BUT, when I was homeless, I never had more fun, the amount of freedom is rediculous. but all in all, still not worth it.

Just because the dollar wasnt invented yet doesnt mean that currency didnt exist. What is the bartner system? A form of currency, the same thing as paper money, metals and other items which value is placed upon.

Now, while YOU may have been able to live off the barter system i'm still willing to bet that it was money which was sustaining you and the person you bartered with. He earned it and you payed him back...where would you have been if he was in the same situtation as yourself?

Actually, it is quite possible to live without money and is done on a regular basis by a lot of people in this world. They might not be in the greatest health for their entire life and perhaps their life would be better with money, but they're still alive.

People tend to forget that there are people living beyond the boundaries of the city inwhich they live.

Everyone knows that a picture is worth 1000 (written) words. :winkwink: