Giving our traffic to newbies ???!!!???
 

Why does everyone help newbies in this biz? I know I had to be helped to began, but if everybody would stop, we would keep the traffic for ourselves?

A lot of TGP questions, for example, are popping on every board...maybe its time to stop answering them?

Then they will see money is not THAT easy to make, and they might stop trying to work in porn?

What do you guys think?

newbies are fun to fuck with : )

Please help me. I need to feed my goats.

I think you are greedy. Either that or you are struggling to make ends meet and are afraid of the competition. I bet somebody gave you a hand along the way. Perhaps it is time to give a little back?

Rod I have thought of this many times myself. I do believe I agree with you..It's like giving away all the knowledge we have worked hard at for years. I don't mind helping out a newbie, but not just handing it all over to every newbie that thinks they can make a quick buck...

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Gary....please private icq me, im looking for something in a Petite goat, preferrably farm raised.

Yea....someone helped me before, you are right. But if everyone is helping someone, because they got helped, this chain will never stop...

I am not afraid of competition. I just see no points of making them for fun...

Gary: I can feed your goats if they like my personal food http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

It's all Karma, many newbies that I have helped over the years, now help me because they aren't newbies anymore...

There is nothing wrong with answering their questions. When they start asking you to build galleries for them, then you can complain.

The majority of the questions that people ask is information that is widely available anyway, so if ya know somethin' or can help in some way or at least point in the right direction.... why not? I always help if I can.... it balances out my assholism... no point in trying to keep something secret that ISN'T a secret anyway.... and the way I see it, people tend to remember who helped them when they needed it and who didn't. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

At what stage do you stop being a newbie then? Time in the biz? Hits per day? Revenue earned? Help if you can - don't if you don't want to.
I like to think of it as a karma thing too http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

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No it doesn't.

I like to think that newbie status ends when they figure out what the fuck they are doing. Not everything of course... I still learn something every day... but I'm talking about focus and direction and goals, and maybe a little strategy.

When they have figured out what is working for them and what is not, and have at least some sort of grip on what they're gonna do, and can add, subtract, change, modify, tweak, or whatever from there.... then they're no longer a newbie.

Spacedog is a good example. He's still all over the place. Doesn't really know what the hell he wants to do, so he's asking questions about everything under the sun. Which, in all truth, is fine... (even though we ride him pretty hard for it) but it is painfully obvious that he still hasn't found his groove in the biz yet... hence: Newbie. When he finally comes to the place where "this & that are working" and "this other shit ain't..." and starts to take the things that ARE working and make them better.... then....

That's not to say that we don't all try new stuff.... cuz we do. Some of it works, some of it doesn't. But we've already got a pretty good grasp of the way things work. Same as any other industry really... there's rookies in any profession.

Success is not necessarily the indicator, but rather, experience. (or the lack thereof)

Choose who you help... I barely have time to do biz w/ the people that I already know -- let alone the newbies... I've decided to cut back on my newbie time ;) I'm looking to more scripts to handle most of the tedium...

I was sending tons of traffic to a newbie -- Miguel at sexy-photos.net -- he was me #1 referrer -- but I had to delete him... My experience told me that he was using a bot (or one of his referrers was -- I'm suspecting http://www.xxxvogue.net/ for several reasons) there's no way in hell sexy-photos.net -- his site that just started out just a short time ago is sending out 5000/day to a site like freeones.com... He told me he hardly has much SE traffic and I know he doesn't have many bookmarkers -- Miguel lacks the experience of knowing what sort of traffic behavior is "unusual" -- anyway I'm a little pissed... I confronted him about his traffic -- but he hasn't defended himself...

Besides the people that have been around a little longer have more search engine and word-of-mouth traffic...

Another thing that's cool is webmasters that I traded traffic with 3 years ago have offfered me salaried jobs ;)

Because newbies need sponsors
some newbies will become successful
we are far more likely to get sponsors
from people who help us than some tight
ass who thinks he owns the internet.

Just who is this "our" who
thinks they own "my" traffic

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All your hits belong to me.

You're right.... had to try though. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

I messaged a new guy here back in March simply because he sounded like someone with lots of common sense and did not find the need to express himself with rap lyrics.
This person is now making an average of $350 per week and I am sure by mid next year this will be 1000. Its not hard to spot those worth working with from those who have little else to do between collecting state support checks or shifts at Berger King.

I've helped newbies from time to time. Not many but the few I've helped have become very succesfull.

Gary, please icq me about the goat.

Wizzo and Amp...RIGHT ON!

I was a newbie back in the day when 'newbie' wasn't even a term...and the people that helped me out as well as the people that I helped out are the big boys today.

I attribute my online success to customer service...and that means taking care of everyone that crosses my path fairly and ethically. The one newbie that you help today, could be the one person that helps you get above the rest tomorrow...

It's very important to never forget where you came from and how you got there.

What comes around goes around, period.

"It's all circular" - Happy Gilmore

Anyway, that's my two pennies for the moment. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

the 1st guy that helped on this industry is Dave van doorm from Netherlands. I read an interview he gave in adult webmastering resource site and i "dared" to mail him with some questions i had. Within few seconds he had added me on his icq. That night we had a longggggg discussion and Dave replied to all my newbie questions i couldn't find an answer alone. Back then i thought some of his replies were false according to my judgement, but now I can say he was 100% right on everything. Through time Dave replied to my questions without ever benefiting from me at all. He rarely uses icq and it's been long time since i last saw him. I hope he's doing well.

Having Dave as a stantard of webmaster in my mind I have helped and keep helping new webmasters as I can. I give them top listings on the movie posts i run, Reply to their questions, even perform tasks for them in some cases. All these new webmasters have something in common with me. First they do a research, try alone and then jump asking and seeking for help. Thanks god the web is full of resources and it's not hard to find answer in most of your questions. You might have notice that I barely ask things. I don't know everything, that's for sure. I have questions like the rest, but seeking alone for a while 99% of the time I find the answer. I got sick the attitude: ok i'm in the industry, i know i can make money, show me the way and fuck off.

If you're concerned that newbies become competitors, then you should extend that to not helping others at all. The money available in this business is it's obvious attraction, but the fact that we *do* help each other - even direct competitors - is what makes this business as enjoyable as it is. We help each other to grow.

There's nothing wrong with helping competitors. If you are secure in your abilities, it can only be a positive thing. I talk almost daily with some of my competitors. We help each other. Maybe not specifically regarding the coveted details of our respective businesses, but certainly with tools, tips, or raw knowledge. And it is very true that what comes around goes around.

I've gone out of my way, put projects on the back burner, and spent entire days helping someone with a script or a detailed critique, or system problems, or whatever... and we joke... and we generally have a very good relationship going.

Just because you're competing for the same business doesn't mean you gotta be a close-minded ass.

And when I need help, or need a resource, or an opinion... it's usually my competitors that I turn to first. Because I know I can count on them. This also builds a mutual respect. (The people I'm talking about will know who they are immediately upon reading this.)

While I have no problem burning some flakey fuck like TennisAss who flys in with his bullshit practices and tries to undermine everything we (myself & my competitors) have accomplished and the connections & progress we have made with people over time and much effort, I also would NEVER even consider trying to sneak into my RESPECTED competitors client lists with intention of undercutting their prices for the sake of stealing a customer. Because the minute that happens, you may have stolen a client for a job or two, but you've lost a trusted resource, colleague, and friend, most likely, for good. And it only goes downhill from there.

In this biz, word of mouth can be your greatest marketing tool or your instant death. Your competitors are usually the largest influential factor in determining which way it will go for you. Because they know your biz. And they know first hand if you're running the ship clean or trying to fuck everyone in your path.

We've all seen how fast cheaters get spotted around here. Doesn't matter which field... I've seen the TGP guys crucify cheaters in seconds, where I probably would not have noticed it. I've seen the hosting guys nail cheaters right and left, where I may have never discovered it... not my field. And you've all seen us graphics guys come together publicly when some fuck thinks he can reinvent the way things work and make a quick buck by fucking the rest of us over.

Each field of the biz, for the most part, seems to take care of it's own pretty well. They stick together. And that's how it should be. The guys that think they can make a million without anyone's help are the one's who are usually gettin' ass reamed on GFY a week later for cheating, in one form or another.

Moral of the story: No man is an island.

word up brutha......wise words

if you were "elite" you could call them lamers...

hehe

or pupz http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

How can you bitch about helping 'newbies' when you start out with "...I know I had to be helped..." ? In any business or indusrty there will always be someone at the beginning stages, someone at the intermediate stage, etc., and they all started at the beginners stage. I know for a fact that I would not have progressed as far as I have, as quickly as I have, had it not been for 3 webmasters in particular, and fuck I feel like giving them props, so...

Frank, http://www.assbookmark.com , spent hours with me on icq in the very beginning and really helped me to figure out how to decide where I was going to go with my webmastering, not where to go, just how to figure it out. Invaluable help, I think. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Llamar, http://www.cumshotplanet.com , for some reason, a few months ago, decided to help me out traffic wise and gave my newest tgp at the time, the ability to get some really good and strong trades going. That site went from 300-500 unq per day to 4k-6k per day directly due to him sending me traffic wayyyyyy in excess of what I could send back. Doesn't seem like a big deal, but to me, the fact that he offered his help in the first place makes him a stand up guy, in my book.

and finally...

Toker, http://www.wildteen.net , in the most recent months, has sort of taken me as an apprentice of sorts, and man things are really starting to make real sense nowadays. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif Toker helped me to fine tune things, and at the same time how to really expand oneself. Plus, and this is the most important, he has made me believe that not everyone is an asshole and there really are people on the other sides of those sites.

Peace, and thanks to all. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif)


Oh, and don't let me forget all the posters here and elsewhere, who most of the time don't even know it, but they help immensely. Someone pointed this out to me a while ago, that if you directly answer one post and help, there will be alot of lurkers who benefit as well. So, help someone in a post can helps many others as well, and that's pretty cool. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

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I never said I owned the web. In fact, I only run movieposts now. But, I cannot understand why everyone is helping newbies like that...Hell, from the e-mails I got from my movieposts, the 9/10 of them tells me: List my site in your galleries list and shut your mouth.

They also cannot understand what is the difference between a galleries of movies and a site with trades...and never read my damn rules before posting their sites with consoles as a galelry, or changing their galleries to a site of console hell after they got listed...

I do not care to help someone that learned a bit by himself, but someone that knows anything and that tries to make your sites their sites, NO.

Does anyone understand my point here?

LOL TheFly...but it's not about being 'elite', just simply that we are all working our arses off daily...new and experienced webmasters alike. Helping newbies is about good people doing good business.

Well said, Amp!

Let me tell you another story with a different moral........... http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

These are the people that you tell to go take a flying fucking leap. They don't know how to get help the right way, and do not deserve anything more than a smart ass remark. There's a difference.

There was a thread about who everyone respected in this biz a while back, and the answers were interesting to say the least.

My take on it is, I respect people with honesty, integrity, ambition, and a demonstrated willingness to work towards their goals. If someone shows me this, they have earned some respect. Respect should not be based on hit counts or dollar signs posted on a bbs or some big fucking name just because it's been around for a couple of years. Hitbots can generate alot of hits too... do you give respect to a hitbot then?

It may involve using a little common sense and some judgement, but it should not be too difficult to see who is worthy of respect and development of a good working relationship and who is not worth the time of day. It makes no difference if someone has only been at it for two weeks... if they have respectable qualities and potential, it will show.

It's not about numbers people.... it's about people.

Does this story involve farm animals? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

No, but it does have a androgenous flair to it.

whats a tgp?

hehe. That part there made me laugh. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Amp , Wizzo, Amber and everyone sticking up for newbies I think that's cool of you. Although I'm not a newbie in building sites, I am new building adult sites so I guess you can call me a newbie.

Speaking only for myself, not every newbie here is in it for the easy buck. Some actually want some longevity and those determined enough will succeed.

Just because you get 100k a day doesn't mean you'll be there forever, even newbies know that much. Innovation comes from the unexpected. Change happens when you least suspect it. There's always some kid that comes out of nowhere and blows everything away and he'll remember everyone who helped him get there.


If only dinosaurs had helped someone along the way instead of trying to fuck with everyone maybe they would be here today.

Maybe I am too greedy? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

I?d like to say something real quick regarding this topic?

While some of you may think or fear that any and all new competition in this biz could take away everything from hits, sign-up?s, click through, etc, etc. from YOUR existing business, consider the fact that for every newbie that joins this biz, there is that possibility that one of these ?newbies? will find or develop a better approach to getting and or keeping customers?which can only HELP the rest of us! I mean just ?maybe? there is an idea that has either been overlooked or just never thought of yet by the adult community that anyone of these newbies might know how to exploit!

The end result could only be a positive one! (Of course the rest of us would have to wait until we figured out what this new approach or trick of the trade would be in order to duplicate their success!)

Think about it?has the porn industry as a ?whole? really found or discovered ALL the ways of making money from the surfer? I have no idea, we may think so but there might always be that one approach that will make more money then all those before it?but if we stifle the competition, we?ll never know about it!

Plus, at some point in our life we?ve ALL asked for assistance in one form or another, so why pick on those that are doing in now????

Well?that?s my two fricking cents! J

Later,


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I hit the escape key but I'm stil here!

Hahah! That's classic.

I'm still picturing 12Clicks as an island ;) hehe... Actually I think it's a good strategy... Really there are only so many people you can network with 1 on 1... I could go off in several directions from this point but I'll save my breath ;)

Ah yes ... I remember being a newbie myself ... making ASCII nudie pics on my ZX81 http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/biggrin.gif

No ... seriously though ...One individual gave me a good start in the business ... A girl from "Ernieshow Ltd" named Brianna Thomas ... and WHAT A FUCKING HOTTIE TOO !!

I lost contact with her quite some time ago ... does anybody know what happened to her ??

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