She, ummm... can't talk right now...

From a paysite owner's perspective I feel that the more webmasters out there the better. Even though they are going for the same piece of the traffic pie! Reason why: it is much much better to have 100 webmasters sending you 1000 hits a day than 1 webmaster sending you 100,000. Everyone agree with that? But from a traffic pimp's perspective I can see your point of not wanting to help, and I can understand peoples reasons for wanting to help. Let's just all be thankfull we can choose if and who we want to help. :-)

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It is no doubt that your answer will make those new guys run quick on the way if they r not fucking stupid. They will keep trying with your help and waiting for check. hehe.



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Rod, are you an ex-salesman or did you have or have now your own business other than porn (if not you sure do remind me of one)?

If so I can see were you are coming from as I was in the Scale business for over 30 years,

Saw the same thing your saying in that trade
with most of the people being big time paranoid and so fucking secret.

Me I knew what I knew, and that was I knew my shit (still do). I would tell or help anyone at any time, never worried me one bit and I still do help people (I enjoy it, makes me feel soooo good).

And am sure from what these people are saying they know there shit and are not worried one bit about any Newbie's.
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[This message has been edited by jimmyf (edited 12-26-2001).]

Every newbie you help learn to do it the right way is one less idiot building 100 pic galleries on terra.es.

However, the ones who walk in with a chip on their shoulder and act like you owe them a listing or traffic or whatever, deserve the beating they get.

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Hey I got an idea!!
Why don't you go fuck yourself?

If you're afraid of newbies taking all your money maybe you better get your ass in gear and make better sites than the newbies.
Whether y'all help me or not I'm not going anywhere. Maybe if you do help me I will promote your sites, Or sign up for affiliate programs with your code, and we both make money.
I'm going to go back and read the rest of this thread, all I read was this assholes stupid ass post. I seriously hope you all don't think like this guy, because then I will know for sure that you can all go fuck yourselves.
--Okay I went back and read, most of you guys are cool http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

I would appreciate some help btw. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif

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[This message has been edited by TheApostate (edited 12-26-2001).]

What's a TGP?

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There are different types of newbies:

1) The person who doesn't understand what such and such is, but is obviously willing to learn.

2) People that want to make money, but really don't have the understanding it takes. These people think you can slap together a site and put it on the Internet and make money. Reminds me of Homer Simpson before he was "bought out" by bill gates.

3) People that are cheating and scamming from day one.

Why people bother to help number 3 I will never know. Number 2s are fine, but after a while they should get the idea this just isn't for them. Some help is fine, but people have to be willing to learn for themselves. I have noticed on the SEO Boards people whining up a storm about SE "Spam". 99% of the time - these people have poor crappy listings and are not making money. They like to BLAME their lack of income on other people.

I think porn is similar. I have only been selling porn for less than a year, but I think the following is true:

1) People whining and complaining about TGPs giving away too much free stuff are not making money. If you truly believe that is the problem - then why even bother.

2) People whining and complaining about people giving away the best sponsors and secrets are not making money.

3) People whining and complaining about so and so shaving are not making money. If you have enough hits to be able to make a good judgement about how many signups you are getting - DROP THE SPONSOR!!!!!!

There is plenty of money to go around - my guess is that probably less than 10% of people that sign up for an affiliate program ever sell a membership. That is just a guess.

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No shit. If every one I referred to the partnership programs I'm in sold as many memberships as me...I could live of my commissions. It just doesn't happen.

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Intersting post guys.

I think I will always consider myself a newbie. There's always something to learn. I started three months ago and the amount of information I have absorbed in that time makes my college work (all those years ago) look like a breeze.

I was lucky enough to get talking to KittyKat69 and a few other very helpful people right off the bat, and I will always thank them for their help. I am not exactly in a position to help others in the finer aspects of the business, but if someone comes my way who needs a script installing or something that I know I can do, I am always willing to help out.

I've yet to make any significant money doing this, but I'm here for the long term haul. When I started my cybercafe in the 90's, we budgeted on not even breaking even for 18 months, and I have a simillar attitude in this business. I am constantly learning, reading, absorbing and looking over posts and articles to see what nuggest of info I can find.

To all that have helped me, you have my thanks and friendship for life. To those that will help me in the future, I look forward to meeting you and to those who need help, my ICQ is (more or less) always on.

Happy new year everyone! See you in Vegas next week!

That post is golden Railz. If only everyone had that outlook, we'd all be better off.

Thanks Amp http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Now, what's a TGP? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

(runs for cover lol)

"Thorough Goat Pumping".

As one who talked to Railz in the early days and tried my hardest to make it clear to him that there were no quick bucks to be made here I have to say how impressed I am with him.

When I've had technical problems at nice times of the day for me and crappy times of the day for him he has always been there to help. It's a pity that there are not more newbies like him.

BTW Fatpad called Cheeky and me old timers the other day - Cheeky may yet kill you for that one mate - but I still bumble along like a newbie every time I seek to expand my horizons.

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Hmm I think it's kinda strange.. we help out the newbies making the competion harder but I never saw a post saying smth like "Hey pro gallerie builders.. let's work together and make a list on some protected website of what tgpwebsites are worth submitting to."
No instead of helping eachother we all submit to too many tgp websites paying too much for our traffic.. and helping the newbies to do the same thing..
Maybe it's time we do stop helping newbies and try to focus on how to make this business more profitable for US..
Do you guys even got a clue what would happen if this info is open for the 'happy few' ?
I bet a lot of tgp's only get submits from newbies who're submitting to every tgp on this planet and I bet WE all make about twice as much because finaly in the adultindustry we discovered the nice benefits of working together and working efficent ;-)
Well okay.. uh that was my day dream for today because I can't even imagine that one webmaster will agree to this on this board http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Well joe... the problem isn't with any of us agreeing to the idea but agreeing with you.

Ya see, just because no one has made these special connections with you doesn't mean they don't exist. I know I have secret pages and submit lists that I only share with a select few. It's not all black and white man, I mean, if people aren't coming to you then it's probably your fault.


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Well I agree I'm kinda shitty listed in the phonebook http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/wink.gif
And I do work together with a few webmasters.. and submit to some 'hidden' submitpages and all. But your reply might just proof that their are islands... several webmasters working together. Aren't all these groups inventing the wheel?

Ahhhh! That's what I've been doing wrong! I thought it stood for "The Good Place"

How wrong I was!

Wow! Thanks Steve - I'll bung the fiver in the post, k? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

Seriously, this guy has given me a lot of food for thought. Roll on Vegas http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

I post maybe 3 or 4 times a day on different boards: occasionally opinion, but mostly answers to questions.

I don't do it to help anyone, although I hope it does. I do it because I enjoy it in the same way other people enjoy crossword puzzles. I have never believed that sharing info is going to hurt me: the 'net is just too big. On many occasions, thinking about a question has given me a new slant on something, even a completely new idea.

Several newbies have also turned into experienced webmasters with whom I have worked. That's no bad thing in a business with so many arrogant a**holes who haven't learned the lesson yet about passing people on the way up and on the way down.

Good points jayeff.... and don't forget guys, just telling a person some info. doesn't mean they will know how to make that info. work for them.... The ones that do make it work probably would suceed either with or without your help. At least if you are the one to lend a helping hand maybe you will be in a position to be helped later on.

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That's one of the reasons I am making a point of going to Vegas next week. I maye be laughed at, being such a newbie, but the information and friends I can make there will be invaluable.

Plus I haven't played Holdem poker for nearly a year and I'm getting widthdrawl symptoms. Anyone up for a game? We could play for traffic lol http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

I KNEW you had those damn goats in the house while I'm gone... put them outside and let them trim that damn grass!

i love helping newbies.. it gives me a warm feeling inside.. in fact i've dedicated a whole site to it (see sig).. so stop being so greedy and help a newbie today.. it'll make you feel good! ... But seriously.. i've helped many newbies and in turn several have helped me in one way or another... You and sleazydream would make good friends http://bbs.gofuckyourself.net/board/smile.gif

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