For those that think the detainees at Gitmo
 

...are prisoners of war...or many of the detainees in Iraq are prisoners of war...read what the Geneva convention has to say about what qualifies one to be considered a prisoner of war.

The insurgents in Afganistan and in Iraq...do not meet the criteria for being considered POW's.

They need to update it to fit the times we are in.

This is what the Army Field Manual has to say about POW's.

Another one of those torture apologists.

And let me quote an article from the Miami Herald

why so guys that hide behind women and children get the same rights as soldiers? I don't really agree with the whole torture thing, but it is true that most of these prisoners do not fall under the agreements of the Geneva convention.

Sure it would have been in good taste and IMO the right thing to do. But in reality these prisoners do not automatically get the rights granted by the Geneva convention.

Geneva convention or not. Torture is still not allowed. Of course if you're a wannabe Saddam, nothing can convince you that torture is wrong.

"Torture" is not allowed...but what constitutes "torture" is subjective...and debatable...morally as well as legally. Of course imprisonment and execution is allowed under the Geneva Convention for those that do not qualify as POW's.

Rumsfeld already stated that the Geneva Convention applies to all prisoners held in Iraq.

It's clear to me. But of course it's not for those who want to circumvent the law.

The keywords in your post being..."severe pain or suffering"...are subjective and legally debatable.

The MP's at Abu Ghraib are going to prison. So there actions constitutes torture according to the US military tribunal.

Actually it is the word "severe" that is subjective and legally debatable.

Wrong...they are not going to prison for "torture"...and the word "torture" was not used in any of the article of charges from the UCMJ ...in the single Court Martial...thus far.

From your own quote you dipshit.

When you have something intelligent to say, go right ahead.

And, while you are at it, ask the Air Force pilots just how well they were treated when detained. Ask the American hostage who escaped how well he was treated.

Better yet, ask why we keep prisoners of war instead of just beheading them on national tv or in a GFY thread.

they have also banned photography, i wonder why

From your own quote you dipship.

The insurgents in Iraq do not meet the criterion...

A-B-D...thus they do not fulfill all of the criteria to be considered prisoners of war. Thus they can be imprisoned/executed.

When you have something intelligent to say, go right ahead.

Two wrongs make a right? I agree that as a general rule the "other side" has rarely treated the US POW's with any regard, however we have to realize that we are supposed to be the "good guys" here.

I understand your sentiment, but I feel you're being heavily affected by emotion.

a) They are under the leadershit of the Shitfuck Muslim cleric.
b) Since when do we wait for them to flash a sign before we take the AK-47 in their arms seriously?
d) Shooting at Army soldiers isn't considered conducting yourself with the customs of war? Then what is?

Don't get your panties all in a bind. All I am saying is that the Koran says I have to convert to Islam or I will be killed for not having done so, and that my own book says, BULL FUCKING SHIT I DO! I thank God everyday that Rumsfeld and Bush both have read and understand the Holy Bible and are familar with the Koran enough to know that the devil wrote it.

you stupid fucking FUCK!!

most of the detainees were fucking civilians and had fucking nothing to do with fucking war you fucking speedbump idiot. We can torture them because they're civilians and not soldiers?

FUCK YOU!!! get OUT of my country, you don't belong here.

fuck off and die, you're one of the biggest morons I've ever run into on any board.

I wonder how the public would respond, if people responsible get away with this, with the excuses such as:

"They are not POW's"

"What's done was not torture"

so weak

I don't know if this is post to bait people or not. But I'd like to reply, so if it was - you were successful.

I would like to be upfront and state that I am essentially athiest. I do not follow any organized religion, nor believe that one is "better" than the other.

That having been said, I do enjoy learning about religion of all sorts, I have read the bible, and studied a lot about muslim history.

The Koran does not say kill all those that are not muslim. People (extremists) simply interpret it that way. I'm not sure where you heard this, but it is incorrect. Remember, that some extremists feel that the Bible also says to kill those who don't believe.

The Koran is actually your "Holy Bible" with some parts changed. Both books stem from the same source. If it is "written by the devil", then christians are also following a book spawned from satan.

We live in such a society of hatred, it's disgusting. The more that time passes, the more North America approaches a level of intolerance similar to the "enemies" we are trying to stop.

When they're shooting and planting roadside bombs to kill coalition troops they call themselves Jihadists and Warriors against the West, but when they're captured or killed, they declare themselves innocent civilians just trying to bring bread home for their family. Why does this excuse consistently work over and over and over???!! :1orglaugh

and when they're 12 yr old boys getting raped up the ass by our soldiers at Gitmo what do they call themselves?

if not for the fact that you get most of your news from country music songs, you'd know that we were just pulling people off the street, most of them were NOT soldiers, didn't plant roadside bombs, just wanted to feed their families and be left alone.

You really are quiet emotional...aren't you Danny boy.

News flash...all of the detainees are "fucking civilians". The government and military were defeated in three weeks.


Of course not..."torture" is illegal...but what constitutes "torture" is subjective...and legally debatable.

This from a fanatical ultra liberal...dopehead...that has sacrificed nothing for his country. Oops...I momentarily forgot...you almost served in the Military. It is my country Danny boy...and I paid a heavy price for serving my country...but I do not regret having served.

It is on my agenda Danny boy.

Says who? LOL Your news sources are as good as mine dumbass. What makes you think that your news source is credible, and mine is not?? Chances and common sense lead me to believe that the MAJORITY of them were insurgents and not civilians. So your common sense leads you to believe that the U.S. Military's main objective is to pull civilians off the street and leave the insurgents to do their "thing"?? :1orglaugh HAH! Moron.

What's up with all these idiots trying to justify emotionally and physically torturing detainee's?

Next time I'm in the US, I'll be sure to kidnap some americans, strip them down, and get them to make nude pyramids. I'm sure they'd appreciate that, seeing as they don't think its such a bad thing when "stupid ragheads" have to do it.

These cocksuckers aren't Americans, nobody who condones torture can be called an American.

Pathfinder, you ignorant shit, all you ever did was get run over by your own platoon, you didn't sacrifice shit except accidentally. Why is it always you bitches that can't fight that want to torture people and start wars?

Do you ever get tired of making a fool of yourself?
No one believes that left wing radical crap anymore.

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no YOU'RE the fucking moron because apparently you can't read. Even conservatives have been FORCED to admit that the vast majority of the detainees were civilians who had nothing to do with the insurgency.

Common sense, if you had it, would tell you that CNN, the BBC, NPR etc are better news sources than FOX network. They encourage debate and explore issues in depth with nothing withheld or obscured. If you had common sense, you wouldn't be a conservative in the first place.

Why is it that all conservatives, a party that comes right out in the open and says they don't like intelligent people, are so fond of calling everyone else a moron? Here's a clue for you assmunch: if your party is in favor of teaching creationism in public schools, it's not your opposition that are the morons.

no, I never get tired of flinging shit in the faces of people who want to turn my country into a police state while they jack off thinking about what good patriots they are. You people are diseased. If I had my way I'd send you all to Rwanda.

Fuck you.

I do not personally know any American that condones "torture" but I do know many Americans that approve of interrogation procedures that I think you and other ultra liberal fanatics would wrongfully define as being "torture".

PF was never run over...but PF did receive eight or nine purple hearts in his 30 years of service. I was not run over by my anyone in my own PLT. I served and sacrificed for 12 years Danny boy...and was in 3 combat operations. I also participated in Operation Desert Shield prior to particpating in Operation Desert Storm. I was an excellent Soldier Danny boy...thank you very much.

People that brag about being a great soldier tend to be liars.

Most soldiers will say they served with great soldiers.

you're a fucking liar. You got run over by your own troops, you never did shit.

so assrapings, beatings and lightbulbs up the ass aren't torture? Fuck off. You're not worth my keystrokes.

Where did I ever state that I was a great soldier? BTW...are you speaking from experience learned during your career as a soldier?

Ahh...quit it Danny boy...go smoke some more pot...kid.

stupid fuck. redneck. momma's boy.

So funny to hear a drunk with a back brace living with his momma telling me to go smoke some more pot.

If I shove a light bulb up your ass and punch you unconscious and assfuck your teenage kid, is that torture?

First, where did you come to the conclusion that I watch FoxNews? Are you just speculating or is it your nature to just make wild comments like that? I do not watch FOXNEWS. I don't even have CABLE lol. From this alone, we can conclude that you're nothing more than a drama queen trying to twist and interpret facts so you can feel better about yourself. Second, so are you saying that there are conservatives fighting the war in IRAQ right now as we speak? Are those conservatives in the streets of IRAQ right now fighting with the insurgents??? I think not. So don't sit there and MAKE UP senseless comments just so you can look "right" on GFY.

you don't read, you don't watch network news, you can't afford cable.

where do you get your information from, little minnow, GFY?

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Hah!! Sorry but I don't waste my life away sitting on GFY and watching CABLE TV all day like you do kid. Don't let me distract you from your daily routine. Go back to posting and flipping channels. :1orglaugh