TGP's and FREE sites ruining the biz?
 

Are TGP's and Free porn sites killing our business.

why

Oh Lord, let me stay out of this one!

Oz

Yes, just like they have been killing the business since the day I entered, well over 15 months ago. It's also the same reason I'm seeing the same kind of conversions that I did 15 months ago.

Damn free porn!

Oh c'mon, you know you wanna..!:winkwink:

dont give mtl a bad name guy.

oh god not again

Lol, your right. I do want to.

:winkwink:
Oz

I think the business model of 'free sample' got lost somewhere in our industry.

Or else I'll be forced to change my handle!:)

Why did you change your more colorful post?

Didn't want to hurt anyones feelings :thumbsup yeah right.

The business moves fast, you either have to stay on top of the game or you get swept behind. I build some tgp software, and the scripts that im building now are completely different from scripts i build a month ago, they are even differnet from scripts I made a week ago :thumbsup the key is to always evolve.

Now I'm not going to claim to actually 'know' anything about the internet pornography business, but this is how I feel on a personal level.

I am surfing and I find a TGP. The first thing I see when I enter this TGP is a top list to 'other' TGP's. I scroll down the page and I find links to tons of free porn. Then I exhaust that page and remember, 'wait, there was a list of OTHER sites like this when I came into this site.' So I scroll back up and go to ANOTHER TGP. I do this until my mouse hand is ready to fall off. Now I've had enough, until tomorrow when all of the TGP links will be changed for new ones.

And I would pay for porn because..... ?

People give 'free samples' when they are trying to introduce a new product and bring it to market. Once they have successfully brought their product to market and word of mouth takes off, there are no more free samples.

Why is it that we allow all of these 'free samples' in our industry? I know the answer why when it comes to the big players, but for the rest, what the fuck?? Are we ALL this ignorant?

Go to any sink in your house, fill yourself a glass of water and drink it... ahhhhhhhh, that was refreshing. Now fill that glass up again but this time just look at it. Now ask yourself why do people buy bottled water when they can get it at any tap for free???

search old threads if you care to know the answers, people post this same thread every week.

:sleep

"...we allow..."??? How do you propose to stop it???

I thought everything was free on the Net, its part of the 9.95 a month dialup plan

How can it be free when it costs 9.95?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

No TGP sites are a good source of traffic.. however, i think they should only show thumbs in the galleries.. no full sized pics.. that is the answer!

We stop building galleries and submitting them to TGP's for starters.

hi. yeah its me.. umm tell me, can u jerk off to thumbs? ur post claiming tgp and free porn sites.. so let me ask u, u like the free porn thumbnails on these sites?

u could have said kazaa, u could have said paysite tours.. and i would agree with u up to a point..but u picked tgp and free sites.


so yeah, u know alot of ppl that will jerk off to ONLY thumbnails?

my next mpg will offer full scenes for download 100% free,

if you dont like it too fucking bad,

my hosting is payed, I sell prodcuts, and the sponsors want the sales,

and the content providers sell the content,

so Ill do whatever I want,

its just that simple,

Yeh, that's going to work...

Instead of complaining about the way things are, why don't you find a way to use them to your own advantage? Trying to eliminate free porn is like trying to eliminate drugs... it's not going to happen.

You had me at hi...

OK, here's some food for thought all you guru's. If people are claiming that they convert 15 sales a day using the hun, then at lets say $35 X 15, they made $525,00 for 1 gallery for one day. (better check my math, I'm a little new at this).

So if that one gallery makes $525 for the guy that was 'approved', then the hun could hire 2 or 3 idiots full time for that same money to make him galleries all day long and submit them to his own site and make 20 times that much.

You see, a TGP owner has NOTHING. No liability, no content, nadda nuthin'. The gallery builders do all the work, then they bend over backwards to meet the 'rules' of the TGP owner who is doing squat except siting on his ass laughing at people and rejecting gallery submissions depending on his mood that day.

If you stop building galleries, and stop submitting them, the TGP's will die. Once the TGP's die, a TON of bullshit 'air hits' will dissapear and SE traffic will once again reign. Marketing involves strategic targeting, not blind links and popup frenzies. Anyone with a clue knows this.

The highest converting traffic is SE traffic as it is more or less targeted. One day, SE's will start to filter out the clowns that use illegal and Bullshit meta-tags claiming that they have something they don't as that is called fraud.

Everyone wonders why our industry is shit-tanking, ... well get out of your fucking box and have a look at the reality of things, and anyone who wants to sit here and preach that TGP's and FREE porn are not destroying what was once a viable industry is just kidding themselves. (nice way of saying 'fucking moron').

the industry seems pretty viable to me,

but if you cant hack it, you should go find a "viable" industry to work in

Do you do consultation sessions? Book me in for a few, I'm sure I can learn a lot from you.

Hey now!

Here's a topic that hasn't been come up before.

only for people who respect me and have money to spend and who actually want to learn

1. do you respect me
2. do you have moeny to pay for consultation,
3. do you really want to learn,

if not, :321GFY

I'm with GoodChris on this one - I'm all for a preview, but today I think it's just too much. A surfer just have to bookmark a tgp and he'll have no reason to go anywhere else since people insist on submitting close up DP's etc - there's nothing left for the surfer to want or signup for - it's already been shown for free...
There's a reason why is tgp traffic considered such low quality...

:2 cents:
Kamilla

thehun makes money from adspots. alot of money. he doesnt need to make galleries.

tgp owners dont just sit on their ass and wait for the money to come in (excluding thehun, imjason & shemp? :winkwink: ) they have alot of responsibilities to their clients (sponsors) and to their consumers (surfers)

dont forget about sponsor hosted galleries.. im sure paysite will love to take those down too.. very utopian, very unreal

u dont know much about SE's if ur talking about meta tags.

the industry is not making less.. its more ppl making money. Same pie, more slices = less money.

So let me get this straight... you're all upset because things aren't like they were 3 years ago?

Once you convince The Hun that free porn is bad, I'll stop using it to make money. Until then...

Well, not 3 years ago, I've been doing this since 1994 and alot of what you guys know is shit that didn't even exist when I was building large site infrastructures in notepad (yeah, thats pre netscape gold).

You mention that the Hun and such have to take care of their sponsors, well, they only have traffic because people link to them to get placement.

Can anyone here actually tell me WHO is responsible for the TGP and when it started and why? I can... but go ahead, tell me.

ok

spamming, there is a business model that makesa shit load of money, and causes lots of damage to the industry,

and beastiality and lolita sites and extreme fetish sites, also cause problems,

and search engine people piss off google and exploit there shit all the time,

my point being,

people generating traffic, from mailings, SE, or galleries, or with free content,

its all the same thing, its all abotu getting sales,

so stop bitching because you think your way is the only way,

wake up, if you were smart, you would be doing all of them,

PS: except the bad ones, which cause problems, namely, spam, agresive billing, and fraud,

And this is where you guys are missing the entire point of pay sites.

Surfers aren't paying to see porn; They can see that for free. They are paying for porn they want to see and can't find quickly and in one place on the Internet.

Let's say you like Cheerleaders (if you went to an American high school, you MUST like cheerleaders). So, you go out searching for pictures of cheerleaders. Sooner or later they are going to find a pay site that looks like it offers everything they are looking for in one place - They can stop searching the internet for free site, and find everything in one site. For a price.

Funny thread!

This is correct. I agree with your statement. The porn that is being sold is niche, and it will get sold. If the SE's were filtering out what sites were promoting, then people would make more sales on their niche markets without having to splay it all over the place for free with no return.

Too many sites offer all the same bought content and it is turning the legitimate buyers away once they get burned. Its a nasty catch 22 circle.

Excellent.

You know what else is hurting conversions? Competition. Let's go cry about that while we're at it. And what about surfers lack of trust? How about surfers bad experiences with paysites? Maybe poor customer service?

You have to be kidding me if you think free porn is the only and main reason conversions change. Face it, things change, especially the Internet. You can either spend your time whining about how the way things used to be and how they should be now, or you can look the change in the eye and tell it to fuck off because you're going to find a way to make money from it.

So, is that office of yours in upper Verdun or lower, ... just trying to map out my day.

lower verdun,