Epoch Cash Flow Problems?
 

Dear Valued Client:

As you may be aware, MasterCard fined Paycom $1.5 million several weeks ago. Our bank held funds from subsequent settlement proceeds at that time. Paycom has no plans to pass these fines through to you, as our portfolio was not out of compliance nor should we have been subject to a fine under any MasterCard Fine Program.

As you may also be aware, Paycom has filed a lawsuit in Federal court here in Los Angeles against MasterCard for the above and many other issues related to MasterCard's unfair dealings with Paycom.

The $1.5 million fine and the cost of litigation has strained our cash flow. As a result, we must adjust payment days from Tuesdays to Fridays, beginning next week. Payments due today, Tuesday, June 10th are being made today. Payments due next week, on the 17th will be made on Friday, June 20th, a delay of 72 hours. Payments to Resellers will not be affected and Resellers will continue to be paid on Tuesday's. We are projecting that we will be able to return to Tuesday payments as circumstances change. We are not projecting any further delays, nor do we believe that any additional fines should be levied.

Paycom fully understand that delays in payments are problematic to our clients and a reminder of situations in Paycom's past. You can be assured that those days are gone. This issue is related to the MasterCard fine and the costs associated with the lawsuit. Over the past 3 years we have worked diligently to regain your confidence in our ability to pay you on time, or to keep you informed before a delay. This is one of those times that we all dread; yet it is unavoidable. We want to give you as much notice as possible about this delay, albeit only 72 hours.

Clay, Joel and I are asking for your continued support, confidence and loyalty to us and to Paycom. We are working hard and fighting hard for our mutual success.

Thank you,

Chris Mallick
Chief Executive Officer

--The Team at Epoch

interesting

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Damn!

cash flow? who are u Robert kiyosaki?

Well Im sure if they passed on the fines we are all supposed to pay, there would be 2 days late...

Heck Im fine with it..

Keep fighting it epoch..


Chris

Yep just got that also. You try litigating a multi billion dollar a year business (that's just their PROFIT margins) and take million dollar aribitrary fines and see how it goes.

Kiyosaki's kinda suspect. He made most, if not all, of his money not from any business success arising from his advice but from the sales of his book.

I saw the first two words of this thread and got nervous...

another one bytes the dust

Get a clue.

A very good friend of mine is an antitrust lawyer, and he says that antitrust cases are extremely expensive to litigate -- even more so than regular lawsuits --- and very difficult to prove.

I'm not surprized that they're not passing on the fines to webmasters because, their lawsuit states that in some cases, they can't pass on the fines even if they wanted to.

he made money telling ppl how to get rich.

and he maybe did one or two real estate deals

I dont use them but the fact that

a) they annonce a payment delay in advance

b) its a small delay

I wouldnt worry

The one thing that all companies that went bust had in commom was they had "no communication" if you use a company and you get no communications and there is a problem run as fast as you can.

I remember one even bullshitted they had a gag order LMAO

Good luck epoch with the lawsuit

Wow, I'm sure your lawyer friend is more capable than the attorneys that have been retained by Paycom! ROFLMAO.

sexyavs, very true. I believe I read that another processor had passed on more than a million dollars in fines to a single account, not something that happened in this case.

I'm sticking with Epoch, they've always come thru tough times in the past with flying colors and they're smart enough to keep the boat afloat.

Good for them , they are here informing people instead of hiding.A lot of other companys should take note!:thumbsup

Actually, my friend is very capable.

He won a billion dollar antitrust case for the state of California.

But it took ten years. Hence my comment about the expense.

hook me up I want to file a lawsuit over that tiny frozen pizza scam

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ighlight=pizza

fuck epoch. maybe they are getting fined cuz how they dick their customers around? hmmmm i jus dont know.

Thanks to you and everyone for your support.

C

Antitrust cases are very difficult to prove (not to mention expensive) because you have to convince the court that a different marketplace would exist without the alleged monopoly, in this case Mastercard.

So it's not like a regular court case where you gather evidence about WHAT happened and prove that to the court.

In an antitrust case you have to try to prove what WOULD happen if Mastercard wasn't around, but there's no hard evidence because it's all theory --- not documented facts that happened in the past.

Not to say it can't be done, but it's much more difficult and expensive.

LOL nevermind, I'll give you credit, you just love to pick at anything you think might be a sore. I'm amazed that your friend the lawyer stuck with a suit for ten years, since most lawsuits are settled well in advance of ten years, what's the case about, I'd like to have a look at it?

Say what you want about ibill but they pay on time. lol

Speaking of 'support', whats with epochs? When I had a problem, and Chris requested I sent him more information so he can look over it, I never hear from him again. Not in the thread I initiated, nor any response to the fucking ELEVEN emails of information I sent.


So.... what did you guys get fined for? Running a broke ass billing cancellation system? No? Well that would have been my guess ;)

Epoch,
you are doing it wrong!!!

you should:
1) be quite about it
2) don't answer phone calls
3) get to the bank in the middle of the nite and withdraw all the money they hold
4) change your name to LikeEpoch!
;-))))

Interesting, I guess you missed the part where IBill and Jettis have said they were fined as well?

Get your head out of the sand and keep up with current events.

No Kimmy, he was busy paying his 350 bucks to ACPays to worry about reading that other ppl were fined too.

:1orglaugh

Kimmy, believe it or not, I wasn't trying to "pick at anything."

I believe the Epoch notice mentions lawsuit expense, and I was just pointing out that antitrust lawsuits are particularly expensive.

I don't have a link handy, but the case was a well-publicized lawsuit involving both the state of California and the city of Long Beach against the oil companies.

They had to prove that the oil companies were manipulating oil prices through a pipeline that they all controlled, making the prices appear artificially lower so they could pay lower royalties on state and city lands.

It was a difficult, lengthy case because you had to show that the prices would actually be higher, but there was no hard evidence to that effect. Hence the typical difficulty with antitrust cases.

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I like your program..


You guys take opt in emails?

Chris

Ok, I dont have all the details why all the others were fined. So the fuck what. I still think Paycom is a POS company. They fuck me over by tacking on shit I didnt agree to purchase, they fuck me over by NOT cancelling those purchases that I chose to cancel and got confirmation emails saying they were 'cancelled', and then Chris M. for ignoring the information he requested and not ever getting back to me. But you know all this already.

Thats my beef with Paycom, Martha. I don't use IBill or Jettis and could care less what the fuck they were fined for.

:thumbsup

If you read their lawsuit, they were basically fined for two things:

1) Going over Mastercard's 1 percent chargeback threshold.

2) Issuing too many refunds "in lieu" of chargebacks which, Mastercard claims, violates their rules.

If your chargebacks are more than .5 percent, and your refunds also exceed .5 percent, Mastercard starts counting refunds as chargebacks.

Obviously Epoch is disputing all of this in their lawsuit and says Mastercard is treating them unfairly.

Thanks for the info... Well I guess my 'guess' was sort of right. Broke ass billing system would pretty much provoke chargebacks. I mean, damn, when I click "CANCEL", and I get an email that says it was 'cancelled'... I would expect that it was cancelled. Or am I asking too much?

Well hopefully Epoch makes it through okay and can resume their regular payments. But I dunno. Not a good sign...

I also find it ironic about all the negative posts against Verotel and Glo-bill recently, mostly rumor mongering. My Verotel and Glo-bill checks continue to arrive on time, like clockwork, knock on wood. Meanwhile, iBill, Epoch and Jettis all get fined up the wazoo and now Epoch is having 'cashflow' problems.

But Visa and Mastercard are the real villains here. They are using their God-like powers to just single out and stomp on an enitre industry. Screw 'em!



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Wonder if this applies to " non-adult" accounts also....

I am not a customer of Epoch, but if I was, I would appreciate the thruthfull and no bs approach ...

:2 cents:

Well, I have to agree, if that's what happened. And I do agree with Kimmy that the fine problem has happened to all of the IPSPs and other processors.

BUT, I think the real problem is the following: How does an IPSP make money with only a 15 percent or less fee? Huge volume.

Which means the IPSP has to listen to their big clients and become partners with them. The big guys want the sleazy billing tactics because they make more money with it in the short run.

And the IPSPs go along because they make more money too.

The problem is that it pisses off Mastercard et. al., and getting in line with Mastercard loses you a ton of money. Compliance is very expensive.

So the IPSPs tend to blow it off until they're fined to death and, by then, it's too late and Mastercard is threatening to cut them off.

The bottom line is that the financial incentives create a conflict of interest of sorts.

People who buy pizza in a bag deserve what they get. :winkwink:

Exactly. One one of his books, I believe it is Rich Dad Poor Dad, he takes the isolated and highly unusual situation of buying real estate for super dirt cheap and flipping it.

His books are inspiration...just keep it at that level. But for concrete steps on how to become rich, that's up to your own imagination and ability to exploit opportunities.

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