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The Coming of America's Second Civil War
I am really trying to figure out what is going on in America, and what will happen to America should Donald Trump win the presidency.
I never for a moment believed that Trump could not win the nomination, contrary to the pundits' takes on television. I was furious that they could not see, or would not see, that this man had a platform and an audience. Even now, some pundits and news people insist upon saying that Trump cannot win the presidency, but I believe they are wrong. Trump has a swath of supporters that is not backing down or backing away that we know about, but I believe his base of support includes a lot of people who will never admit publicly that they are rooting for him, but who are, nonetheless. From the beginning, I was disappointed that so many people resonated with him. He was, and is, crude and rude. He is disrespectful to women; I was horrified when he characterized all Mexicans (the ones coming to the United States) as rapists and criminals. His disrespect of Sen. John McCain stunned me; like McCain or not, he is a war hero, but not to Trump. His parodying a man who was developmentally disabled made me sick. The fact that he says nothing of substance in his rallies is appalling. His arrogance at saying he will build a wall between the United States and Mexico and will make Mexico pay for it was hateful, and his plan to deport millions of illegal immigrants out of this country made me shake my head. This is America, right? His dog whistle language as concerns his feelings about black people is hardly subtle; his ordering his people to "get them out of here" when they have showed up at his rallies, and his reminding his followers that there was a day when they would have been able to take care of those protesters in a way that they would be taken out on a stretcher...was...well, really white. But it wasn't the fact that Donald Trump was and is so narcissistic and arrogant that bothers me so much. What bothers me is the blind following he seems to have, of both white and black people, who seem to think he can do no wrong. They do not care that he does not have any viable foreign policy; he seems to feel he will be able to act unilaterally and just ...get rid of people or nations he doesn't like. His rambling about how he will just sort of magically fix the economy has made no sense to me at all. He has made all his followers believe that he and he alone can bring jobs back to this country. They believe him. He is right about one thing: he could go out onto Fifth Avenue and shoot someone and his supporters would still support him. The question is "why?" So, the white working class is angry. So...what? What makes their anger so different, so virulent, and so strong and so much more worthy of mention? Why is their anger more important than that of all the other people in this nation who have been marginalized? Why isn't more of the country upset that what seems to be the unifying thread holding his base together is white supremacy, racism, in its most ugly form? Why is their anger more important than the anger of everyone else? Could it be that these people have found out that white supremacy loves no person who is not only not white, but prefers people who are white with money? Could it be that they are realizing that the phrase in the Constitution, "all men are created equal" really does pertain now, as it did then, primarily to these wealthy, white landowners? Could it be that, as they have looked around, that they see how they are no better off economically than are black people, in spite of their being white?' Don't accuse me of playing the race card. It is the pundits and the news operations who have made it clear that it is angry white men who are behind Trump in the biggest numbers. It is angry white men who no longer have the manufacturing or construction or mining jobs they used to have so they could make a decent living. The pundits are pointing out the fact that the demographic that is most responsible for the Rise of Trump ...is angry white men. They are tired of being "politically correct," meaning, they can't say the "n" word when they want. They cannot openly discriminate against black and brown people like they used to. The Black Lives Matter movement has been steadily dismantling their false confidence that the police take care of "the bad people," who happen to be ..."the black people." The shootings of innocent and/or unarmed black people by white police officers, caught on tape, has shattered the lie behind which law enforcement has hidden for decades. Their officers, some of them, are being called to accountability. In this country where, historically, a police officer never had to prove he or she did anything wrong and who never had to worry about going to jail for participating in state-sanctioned murder, things are changing ...and it is making some white people more and more angry. They want "their country back." They want to "make America great again." That greatness included free-flowing racial violence by whites against blacks and rampant discrimination; it included white people being able to have jobs when many black people were denied those same jobs. That America included having trials (and still does) where a black person could and would be tried by an all-white jury for a crime he or she might not have committed, and nobody could do anything about it. That is changing. And now, to add insult to injury, there are too many brown people here, brown people who have done the work for white people that neither white not black people would have done themselves because the pay is so low. Brown people in the form of Hispanics, and now, brown and black people in the form of Muslims...are all over the place ...and some white people are not only angry, but they are afraid that they are losing the power they always had . These people believe that Trump - who sounds eerily like the Hitler I have read about - will make everything all right. He will build that wall. He will "get the coloreds out." He will reset the American equilibrium and return things to the way they used to be. And that's why they do not care what he says or does. They do not care who he berates or puts down. They do not care if he says one thing on one talk show and something entirely different on another show minutes later. They want America back. Their America. They began to mumble when Barack Obama was elected president.; their lawmakers vowed, even as Obama was being inaugurated, that they would make him a one-term president. While there were many people who believed his election meant that America was a post-racial country, there were those who vowed that this country would be post-racial over their dead bodies. That's why we heard the cry, "We want to take our country back!" They were intentional about what they meant. And they are intentional now. I shudder to think about where America is headed. If Trump wins the nomination and then the White House, it will be bad for a whole lot of people. If Trump is bumped from contending for the presidency by a brokered convention, it will still be bad for a whole lot of people, because, as Trump as alluded, his angry white people will rise up. He said, "I think you'd have riots." I think he's right. Trump's supporters would rise up... But someone would rise up against them. It will be America's Second Civil War. article... |
The "loser" of the election won by over 2.6 million votes. The rigged election put Trump in to avoid civil war but they're just delaying the inevitable :2 cents:
Either reform the Electoral College to majority rules or expect more majority "losses" by higher margins where the EC goes against the will of the people, stoking the flames even more. |
Jesus Christ, will you shut up about it already?
Your side lost. Deal with it. |
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Republicans have been threatening civil war for 8 years |
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If rules were for popular vote candidates would have campaigned very differently. Assuming the same result of 2,6mil + in that case is beyond moronic. How stupid you are not to get this? :helpme:error Even some libbies should back me up on this basic logic. |
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Do you really think this http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/wp...lk-750x400.jpg http://themadjewess.net/wp-content/u...ay-600x423.jpg has a chance against this: http://a4.files.thedailybanter.com/i...gyOTMwMjcz.jpg http://media.worldbulletin.net/news/...ed-protest.jpg |
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There will not be a second civil war.
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Idiot, he did not lose because popular vote was not the target. It is like saying football team lost a match because they kicked less corners while goals is what was the target. Of course popular vote makes more sense than corners, but the point is - both parties play for the determined target (electoral vote) and they do not "lose" in all the irrelevant targets (corners or popular vote in these 2 examples). |
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I'll say it like you are 2. You can lose the popular vote and win the Electoral vote. Winning is getting the majority of votes :thumbsup |
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If you say so ...
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There will not be a civil war over this. People are upset, but this is no where near becoming a civil war.
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The problem liberals face in a civil war is the fact that conservatives are the ones who have and know how to use guns. Not this liberal....I've fired as much weaponry as any gun-loving right winger. But I'm in a rare category in that respect.
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I think there will be a civil war, just not in the next 10 years. But it will be less US only than an overall disruption of the status quo. It will flow through many countries.
For those of you who have no friends outside a young urbanites, there is so much race and religion based hatred you wouldn't believe it. It has been fomented and written into cultural subtexts so strongly that it cannot disappear. Many of you are irreligious and can't imagine this. Some of you have friends among races other than your own and can't conceive of this. It is deep and abiding and is as real as faith in a diety. The only way to deal with this would be long-term, equal, frank, respectful dialog, so that won't happen. Each "side" will struggle for an advantage and eventually resort to violence. My personal opinion, admittedly an amateur one, is that it is inevitable without some very unlikely events. |
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The only reason Clinton got to be the Democratic nominee was because of the Democratic Party and its owners. Those owners are from the same group or people. https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/cho...llionaires.png https://static.ijr.com/wp-content/up...-donations.jpg http://i1.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-co...n-spending.png Your vote means nothing. Trump is your one chance to start taking back control from the people who buy politicians. Take it of lose. We know Trump is not very good. If he were he wouldn't have been allowed to stand, Sanders was stopped. Stop voting for the bought and paid for parties and vote only for the outsiders. To tell those donors you want your country back. In Europe, we have a similar problem. Not billionaires so much as politicians and bureaucrats who are doing their utmost to stop the will of the people. Should they win, the only chance the British have is a General Election. Soon or 2020. |
this thread shows the severe level of ignorance of history, in particular the identity obsessed op-ed, who sees things only in skin color.
the social tensions are ongoing, since the FOUNDING of this country, since the 3/5 compromise. & they will go on forever. why? because equal rights were accomplished in the 60s. now libs are whining about the unfairness of life outcomes, & blindly invoking racism charges on the silliest of problems, like no black oscar nominees. & you have millionaire black people in the NFL "protesting" injustice while cashing checks 99% of people never see. absurd. & beyonce is cashing million dollar checks singing fake narratives about cops shooting black people. all of this social tension rose under obama. it will flounder around for a while, because the libs still hold monopolies in school & the media, where they can manipulate the young, like the fools in this thread. & its a big money maker, & a jobs program for otherwise useless libs. but in time, dems will stay out of the white house until they put identity politics in the back seat. it will never play in the rust belt, not enough illegals out there to fudge the election. like the bullshit outcome in califnornia, a state over-run with mexicans, voting in our election. americans want to be safe & want a job. that crosses color & sex lines. libs are BLIND to this when they say trump had no message. yes he did. its just the libs dont want to talk about anything else except race, sex & injustice. dummies. :1orglaugh |
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If Brassmonkey is calling for a civil war, i would bet on these guys. |
The fall of America could bring about the resurrection of the world :stoned
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i love this thread. Brasshat copies and pastes a story written in 'I' perspective. Some who don't know brasshat would be fooled in the beginning, thinking he wrote it. But when you know he cannot form a coherent sentence you know it's impossible for him to write something like this.
I wonder if he ever tried writing without errors. It would be hilarious to watch him attempting it. I bet when you let him write something on a piece of paper, and let a 6 year old write something as well, then compare the two... it would show know difference at all :1orglaugh |
let's get this party started!
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A 2nd civil war will be over in about 10 minutes
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Jim Morrison (the Doors) once sang "They got the guns but we got the numbers -- 5 to 1"
However, today the people are better armed. Sure you want a civil war -- just look at Syria :2 cents: |
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Disagree? Bring it! What are you waiting for? |
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That's why you lost, 2.8 million doesn't equal the population of LA. Our founding fathers knew what the fuck they were doing. |
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Jesus you must be drunk :1orglaugh |
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Most of the slave owners were the liberal elite |
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