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crockett 04-25-2015 01:49 PM

The Republican whom don't let Boner pass sneaky bills..
 
At least there seems to be one Republican in Congress whom isn't a total dickhead..

Apparently it's a thing for Congress to pass votes while no one is looking and with very few people on the floor. They are called "voice" votes and there is never a record of whom voted on them. It's a easy way for the Speaker of the House to shove bills through which aren't popular or might be apposed. Better yet there is no record of who voted for it... "yey democracy".

When Boehner Tries to Sneak Bills by Congress, this Rep. Uses a '500-Yard Dash' to Stop Him | MRCTV


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Congressman Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) has put an end to a number of bills that Boehner planned on sneaking past Congress – and his ingenious method involves a 500-yard dash.

Much to the chagrin of the American public, members of Congress rarely vote on the hundreds of bills that are passed per year.

Most Congressional bills are passed in a nearly empty chamber, and Massie explained to the Young Americans for Liberty at the University of Cincinnati, members of Congress like to use voice votes to pass unpopular bills.

There’s two reasons Congress loves the voice vote: the first is that because there’s no record of who voted, they can’t be held accountable when the bill passes.

The second reason is that Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-Ohio) has sole discretion to decide if there is a “quorum” (218 congressmen) present in the room sufficient to take a voice vote. Massie says frequently there’s only ten congressmen present. All Boehner has to do is squint and say that there’s a quorum present and he may hold a voice vote.

As long as no one requests a recorded vote, Boehner is free to do this.

That’s where Massie’s 500-yard sprint comes in.

Massie says he’s discovered that "it’s about a 500-yard dash between my office and the floor of the House." So, when Boehner starts to do voice votes, Massie sprints to the House floor and demands a recorded vote. That means there has to be a real quorum: 218 live people on the record with their votes. Several unpopular bills have died as a result of Massie’s dash.

Passing bills without recording votes, and without Congressmen present, frustrates the democratic process, and “it happens way too often,” said Massie.

“It only takes one congressman to stand up and say ‘Mr. Speaker, I request a recorded vote’… and I’ve done that a lot,” Massie said, to laughter from the Young Americans for Liberty students.

edit.. title for grammar nazis.. "doesn't"

bronco67 04-25-2015 01:51 PM

John Boehner is a sack of shit. You can take one look at his stupid dick-weed jerk off face and know that. It's in his dead eyes.

crockett 04-25-2015 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20458538)
John Boehner is a sack of shit. You can take one look at his stupid dick-weed jerk off face and know that. It's in his dead eyes.

And his tan man.. You know the fucker never goes out doors yet he looks like he spends half his life in a tanning salon.. I bet his pompous ass has a tanning bed in his office.. :1orglaugh

dyna mo 04-25-2015 02:08 PM

What sneaky bills is he referring to?

crockett 04-25-2015 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20458547)
What sneaky bills is he referring to?

Did you read the article or watch the video on the accompanying page? It appears "most" votes passed by Congress are passed in this manner using voice votes. According to the rules they are supposed to have a "minimum" number of congressmen there to make the vote. According to this Congressman that almost never happens and the Speaker of the House can "pretend" there are enough people there and do the vote anyway.

There is no record of who voted, so if no one does what this guy does and stands up requesting a recorded vote then there is no way for anyone to prove otherwise.

dyna mo 04-25-2015 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20458550)
Did you read the article or watch the video on the accompanying page? It appears "most" votes passed by Congress are passed in this manner using voice votes.

I read the article, it didn't mention specific bills, just a process this guy is blocking. Seems to me it would be important to know what bills this guy is obstructing prior to concluding his blocking government makes sense.

crockett 04-25-2015 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20458554)
I read the article, it didn't mention specific bills, just a process this guy is blocking. Seems to me it would be important to know what bills this guy is obstructing prior to concluding his blocking government makes sense.

I would say "any" bill which the minimum number of voters was not present qualifies..

dyna mo 04-25-2015 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20458555)
I would say "any" bill which the minimum number of voters was not present qualifies..

For example? I'm just curious to see one example of a sneaky bill this guy blocked. I can't find one via google.

crockett 04-25-2015 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20458558)
For example? I'm just curious to see one example of a sneaky bill this guy blocked. I can't find one via google.

I don't think it matters what the bill was or is.. If they aren't following the rules by having enough members of Congress to vote on it then it clearly should be stopped. Obviously if "any" bill was stopped by this method it's very clear they were trying to sneak it through with out the proper number of votes.

If there is the proper amount of votes, then doing what this guy is doing would not stop the bill from being voted on. This guy is simply standing up and making the speaker follow the rules. The rules which make us a Democracy.

Who knows if the bills are bad by nature of if it's just a issue of Congressmen not doing their jobs and "showing up" for work..

dyna mo 04-25-2015 02:56 PM

yeah, i'm not buying it. that article is bullshit. voice voting is as old as the Constitution and if that article writer wants to be taken seriously, he'd cite examples of where this guy interferred and for what reason he thinks it's OK to block the legislative process simply because the author makes shit up like boehner skwints his eyes to see a quorum. i'm also not buying that most bills are passed in an empty chamber.



:)

dyna mo 04-25-2015 02:58 PM

moreover, Bills are part of the public record. if boehner was up to all this sneaky bill passing and this guy running up and down the hall to block them, we'd have all heard about this sneaky legislation and gaming the system by now.

Dvae 04-25-2015 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20458579)
yeah, i'm not buying it. that article is bullshit. voice voting is as old as the Constitution and if that article writer wants to be taken seriously, he'd cite examples of where this guy interferred and for what reason he thinks it's OK to block the legislative process simply because the author makes shit up like boehner skwints his eyes to see a quorum. i'm also not buying that most bills are passed in an empty chamber.



:)

Definitely not a fan of Boehner but I agree with you, the liberals in Congress would be raising holy hell if this were the case.

...and by the way crockett were not a democracy.

JJ Gold 04-25-2015 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20458579)
yeah, i'm not buying it. that article is bullshit. voice voting is as old as the Constitution and if that article writer wants to be taken seriously, he'd cite examples of where this guy interferred and for what reason he thinks it's OK to block the legislative process simply because the author makes shit up like boehner skwints his eyes to see a quorum. i'm also not buying that most bills are passed in an empty chamber.



:)

Congratulations on being reasonable and intelligent. Both those traits are increasingly rare in this world.

crockett 04-25-2015 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20458580)
moreover, Bills are part of the public record. if boehner was up to all this sneaky bill passing and this guy running up and down the hall to block them, we'd have all heard about this sneaky legislation and gaming the system by now.

So you think he is lying? If he's lying then why isn't anyone saying he is? Obviously it makes Boner look bad, so if this guy is lying why is no one rushing to discredit him? Also it's not just about the amount of people voting but forcing there to be a record of it.

Example one of the votes he forced to be a recorded vote, was the vote which passed for sending arms to Ukraine. He wanted there to be a record of who was voting to send arms to that conflict. Things like that are very important for Americans to know.

JJ Gold 04-25-2015 03:52 PM

What's up with the "Boner" term of endearment?

You got a thing for this fella?

crockett 04-25-2015 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ Gold (Post 20458598)
What's up with the "Boner" term of endearment?

You got a thing for this fella?

If the name fits.. do you ask the same question everytime someone makes a crack at Obama's name?

MiamiBoyz 04-25-2015 04:10 PM

All politicians are dead inside and soulless cunts.

JJ Gold 04-25-2015 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20458601)
If the name fits.. do you ask the same question everytime someone makes a crack at Obama's name?

I haven't hear any sexual pet names for Obama.

Do tell.

Rochard 04-25-2015 04:30 PM

I do not understand how Congress is able to operate like this. Every vote should be voted on by every Congressman or Congresswoman, no exceptions. It should be a requirement. Vote electronically or by snail mail, but either way votes shouldn't be counted until all of the votes are received.

I'm sick and tired of hearing that so and so was on a committee and only voted on three of twenty votes. If you miss a certain percentage of votes, you should be instantly removed from office.

crockett 04-25-2015 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20458625)
I do not understand how Congress is able to operate like this. Every vote should be voted on by every Congressman or Congresswoman, no exceptions. It should be a requirement. Vote electronically or by snail mail, but either way votes shouldn't be counted until all of the votes are received.

I'm sick and tired of hearing that so and so was on a committee and only voted on three of twenty votes. If you miss a certain percentage of votes, you should be instantly removed from office.

I tend to agree with this.. There really is no excuse for them to not vote in this day and age of technology. There is any number of ways they could cast a vote while being out of Washington.

They could very easily have some sort of private networked system with video conferencing where they can be ID'd with face recognition software prior to sending a vote electronically.

There is really zero reason for this not to be the case.

crockett 04-25-2015 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ Gold (Post 20458612)
I haven't hear any sexual pet names for Obama.

Do tell.

So you have nothing of note to add to the topic I take it?

NaughtyVisions 04-25-2015 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ Gold (Post 20458612)
I haven't hear any sexual pet names for Obama.

Do tell.

Boner doesn't have to be sexual.


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boner
noun bon·er \ˈbō-nər\
Definition of BONER

1
: one that bones
2
: a clumsy or stupid mistake; also : howler 2
3
usually vulgar : an erect penis
And before you ask who the hell someone "who bones" is that isn't sexual:

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bone
verb
: to remove the bones from (a fish or meat)
bonedbon·ing
Full Definition of BONE

transitive verb
1
: to remove the bones from <bone a fish>
2
: to provide (a garment) with stays
3
: to rub (as a boot or baseball bat) with something hard (as a piece of bone) in order to smooth the surface
intransitive verb
: to study hard : grind <bone through medical school
In this case, boner could also be loosely connect to bonehead, but given the similarity to his real name, boner is substituted for bonehead.

Let's not forget that this guy named "Boner" was a part of our family television for years in the late 80s' early 90's:

https://seattlesportsnet.files.wordp...nerstabone.png

Or we could just be calling him a dick.

crockett 04-25-2015 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NaughtyVisions (Post 20458667)
Boner doesn't have to be sexual.


In this case, boner could also be loosely connect to bonehead, but given the similarity to his real name, boner is substituted for bonehead.


Or we could just be calling him a dick.


All of the above.. Perhaps I could call him.. Bohner :1orglaugh

2MuchMark 04-25-2015 07:33 PM

John Boehner is the worst speaker of the house ever.

JJ Gold 04-25-2015 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NaughtyVisions (Post 20458667)

Let's not forget that this guy named "Boner" was a part of our family television for years in the late 80s' early 90's:

https://seattlesportsnet.files.wordp...nerstabone.png

.

Is that Mr. Pete?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...8c/Mr.Pete.jpg

Robbie 04-25-2015 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20458535)
At least there seems to be one Republican in Congress whom isn't a total dickhead..

My guess is...the only reason that Congressman has rushed to stop these votes is that it didn't include any "pork" for his cronies back home. So he made sure to not let the vote go through without his "input" first.

Didn't have anything to do with him being a dickhead. He's just a typical crooked politician out to get his fingers in a piece of the pie and stop Boehner from trying to sneak past him without paying the toll first.

Fucking bunch of crooks...

Robbie 04-25-2015 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20458663)
I tend to agree with this.. There really is no excuse for them to not vote in this day and age of technology. There is any number of ways they could cast a vote while being out of Washington.

They could very easily have some sort of private networked system with video conferencing where they can be ID'd with face recognition software prior to sending a vote electronically.

There is really zero reason for this not to be the case.

I would be scared that hackers would instantly break into that.

These clowns in govt. are already pieces of garbage. The least they could do is show up for votes.

But I do think that any network can be hacked. And you know that would be target "number one" for every hacker in the world.

onwebcam 04-25-2015 09:44 PM

The reason they no longer allow cameras to record the votes is because several years back it became a big controversy that voting was like a game of whack a mole with just a few congressmen/women running around hitting as many yes or no buttons as they can in a short time because there were so few present to vote.

Robbie 04-25-2015 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 20458774)
The reason they no longer allow cameras to record the votes is because several years back it became a big controversy that voting was like a game of whack a mole with just a few congressmen/women running around hitting as many yes or no buttons as they can in a short time because there were so few present to vote.

Doesn't CSPAN televise all of that every day?

Also live feeds every day here: House of Representatives Live Video: HouseLive.gov

dyna mo 04-26-2015 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20458625)
I do not understand how Congress is able to operate like this. Every vote should be voted on by every Congressman or Congresswoman, no exceptions. It should be a requirement. Vote electronically or by snail mail, but either way votes shouldn't be counted until all of the votes are received.

I'm sick and tired of hearing that so and so was on a committee and only voted on three of twenty votes. If you miss a certain percentage of votes, you should be instantly removed from office.

Congress does not operate this way. a quick look at Congressional voting and absence shows ~90% of COngress votes on all measures. it's all public record and easily searched.

the article is trash.

crockett 04-26-2015 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 20458774)
The reason they no longer allow cameras to record the votes is because several years back it became a big controversy that voting was like a game of whack a mole with just a few congressmen/women running around hitting as many yes or no buttons as they can in a short time because there were so few present to vote.

That was in Texas.. Not the US Congress and yes after it made news the result was not for Texas state gov to clean up it's act, but rather to block all filming and continue on as normal breaking their own state laws and voting for people not in the room.

crockett 04-26-2015 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20458763)
My guess is...the only reason that Congressman has rushed to stop these votes is that it didn't include any "pork" for his cronies back home. So he made sure to not let the vote go through without his "input" first.

Didn't have anything to do with him being a dickhead. He's just a typical crooked politician out to get his fingers in a piece of the pie and stop Boehner from trying to sneak past him without paying the toll first.

Fucking bunch of crooks...

You were preaching the other day about finding the right guys for the job.. While I'm sure this guy has "other" problems as most Tea Party members do.. At the very least he seems to be doing the right thing as far as the voting goes. How is it you instantly think that there is no possible way he might be doing it out of principle?

You don't have to agree with everything someone does or says to also say the person might do something right or say something right every once in a while..

dyna mo 04-26-2015 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20458940)
You were preaching the other day about finding the right guys for the job.. While I'm sure this guy has "other" problems as most Tea Party members do.. At the very least he seems to be doing the right thing as far as the voting goes. How is it you instantly think that there is no possible way he might be doing it out of principle?

You don't have to agree with everything someone does or says to also say the person might do something right or say something right every once in a while..

obstructing the legislative process isn't doing something right.

dyna mo 04-26-2015 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20458589)
So you think he is lying? If he's lying then why isn't anyone saying he is? Obviously it makes Boner look bad, so if this guy is lying why is no one rushing to discredit him? Also it's not just about the amount of people voting but forcing there to be a record of it.

Example one of the votes he forced to be a recorded vote, was the vote which passed for sending arms to Ukraine. He wanted there to be a record of who was voting to send arms to that conflict. Things like that are very important for Americans to know.

yes, he's lying. here's how i know. he's saying he, along with most of the house, doesn't vote on bills (which is bullshit) but when boehner "starts to do a voice vote", he runs to the floor and obstructs the process (which is more bullshit).

that certainly begs the question, "why the fuck weren't you there to participate to begin with? a vote to send arms to ukraine and the only thing that gets this guy to attend is a last minute heads-up that there's a sneaky vote on it, so he makes a mad scramble to block that. How does he know no one is attending the vote if he runs down at the last second and obstructs the lack of quorom sneakiness?

again, not buying this nonsense. this guy is a joke, that article writer is a joke and boehner is a joke.

not lolling.

crockett 04-26-2015 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20458947)
obstructing the legislative process isn't doing something right.

He is not obstructing anything. He's just calling for a recorded vote..

dyna mo 04-26-2015 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20458970)
He is not obstructing anything. He's just calling for a recorded vote..

no, what he's doing is admitting/claiming he is not participating in the legislative process by not attending voting sessions, he admitted that by saying when boenher starts a vote, and only then does he makes the mad 500 yard dash to the floor to block passage/obstruct the traditional, normal and typical legislative process.

you get that right? for his superman story to work means he wasn't going to participate in the vote at all. only when he finds out at the last second about a vote does he decide to get out of his chair and run to the floor to obstruct the traditional yay or nay process.



it's all bullshit.

Robbie 04-26-2015 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20458940)
You were preaching the other day about finding the right guys for the job.. While I'm sure this guy has "other" problems as most Tea Party members do.. At the very least he seems to be doing the right thing as far as the voting goes. How is it you instantly think that there is no possible way he might be doing it out of principle?

As I also have said over and over...a person doesn't get to any high level of govt. without already being corrupted. I don't believe for even one second that he was doing anything out of "principle".

Unless you count making sure that your agenda and cronies are getting a slice of the pie as "principle".

If you want to continue thinking that any of these politicians actually have your well-being in mind then go right ahead. And you get the govt. that we've had for decades and decades: corrupt, running deficit spending, huge debt, and American adventurism with the military all over the world.

I'm sorry it seems to offend you that I'm not satisfied with the way our govt. operates.

2MuchMark 04-26-2015 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20458909)
Congress does not operate this way. a quick look at Congressional voting and absence shows ~90% of COngress votes on all measures. it's all public record and easily searched.

the article is trash.


http://media2.scrippsnationalnews.co....0_640_480.png

crockett 04-26-2015 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20459009)
As I also have said over and over...a person doesn't get to any high level of govt. without already being corrupted. I don't believe for even one second that he was doing anything out of "principle".

Unless you count making sure that your agenda and cronies are getting a slice of the pie as "principle".

If you want to continue thinking that any of these politicians actually have your well-being in mind then go right ahead. And you get the govt. that we've had for decades and decades: corrupt, running deficit spending, huge debt, and American adventurism with the military all over the world.

I'm sorry it seems to offend you that I'm not satisfied with the way our govt. operates.

So how can you think your idea of what our govt would be will be any better? Libertarians for example push smaller govt and allowing business to step in. If there is even more areas in which business steps in we will see even more corruption.

crockett 04-26-2015 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20458989)
no, what he's doing is admitting/claiming he is not participating in the legislative process by not attending voting sessions, he admitted that by saying when boenher starts a vote, and only then does he makes the mad 500 yard dash to the floor to block passage/obstruct the traditional, normal and typical legislative process.

you get that right? for his superman story to work means he wasn't going to participate in the vote at all. only when he finds out at the last second about a vote does he decide to get out of his chair and run to the floor to obstruct the traditional yay or nay process.



it's all bullshit.

I think you are smart enough to know that there isn't always scheduled times for bills being voted on. These guys have more to do than just sit around idly waiting for someone to bring a vote to the floor.

You really don't think they report to the floor at 9am and leave at 5pm or that there are scheduled times in which random bills are brought up for a vote do you?


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