it amazes me when people argue about closing the border
 

not sure you could find this story in the American press


a few highlights of the story

Although there has been a small decline in murder figures, little has changed in areas affected by violence, and kidnappings are on the rise. According to Mexico’s national statistics institute (INEGI), there were 105,682 kidnappings last year but only 1,317 were reported to police.

The missing students were returning home from Iguala city last month when their bus was attacked by police, resulting in six deaths.

Meanwhile Mexico’s attorney general confirmed last week that on June 30th last year army troops shot dead 15 civilians in cold blood before tampering with the crime scene to make it look like the victims died in crossfire.

The twin massacres cap a decade of infamy in which children have perished inside creches, journalists have been decapitated and migrants forced to dig their own graves. An estimated 100,000 people have died, while 25,000 remain unaccounted for as the level of collusion between police, army, politicians and drug traffickers has reached epidemic proportions.

The Salinas era saw the unprecedented expansion of the drug trade in parallel with the signing of the North American Free Trade Agreement, cementing drugs and business as Mexico’s chief power blocs.

The trail of destruction wrought by drug violence is intimately connected to a political system which worships finance and turns a blind eye to corruption and money-laundering.

Exactly how do you close a 3,145 km (1,954 mi) border?

Alligator moat.

Just seems like common sense to me.... Secure the border. You would have thought this was automatic all this time.

How do you secure a two thousand mild border? Build a fucking wall. Build the great wall of Southern United States. Make it into a fortress and staff it with our military.

Use the military to secure the border. If there are any leftover, THEN spread democracy down the throats of those who don't want it.

Maybe, the wall might keep the "Gringos" out?

Mexico isn't as poor of a country as it is a mismanaged country.

electronic wall with mobile reaction troops do the job

Mismanaged is not even strong enough of a word.

The "white" Spanish running Mexico are dumping native Mexicans on us rather than provide for them. Unpopular truth.

the US gov is too full of its own shit to admit that even in US supermax prisons the #1 merchandise is drugs...the US gov is absolutely powerless against drugs...americans fucking love drugs...vaporizing mexico with nukes aint gonna change that :1orglaugh ...but its the evil evil mexicans fault who can't control their stupid drug distribution problem :1orglaugh

and how amusing is the "if we secured the boarder, our drug addicts will quit taking drugs and problem solved" crowd? its like building a wall to protect against the flu :1orglaugh

who has the biggest drug market in the world? easy: the biggest addicts in the world :2 cents:

:1orglaugh you so funny

I always knew you had it in you.


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Your looking at this wrong.

The US Government could certainly put a massive crush on the drug issues if they chose but they DONT!

Think about it from a $$ point.

Cartel Owner makes how many millions a year?
How many millions a year does he spend?
20 security guards for him and family
Another 100 for his homes and ranches
Maids
Car care people
Grounds maintenance people.

How much does he spend on taxes and shit he does not need?

How may people work for him selling, Making and Distributing,

These cartels are MASSIVE businesses with more movement than Amazon

Put them out you put HUGE numbers of people out of work and Im not talking just about the direct related people to the drugs but the car sales man, the boat sales man, all the people that keep the extras running at legit businesses.

Does anyone know when Guatemala and Belize will be building their walls to stop illegal immigration from Mexico...
Oh wait it's not really an issue, as there are no jobs if they go south...
The issue is people from Guatemala and Belize crossing into Mexico to get to the US.
You could spend $$$$ building walls and staffing them etc...

Or why not just enforce laws that punish people that employ illegal workers, people aren't risking it all because they like the fun adventure of being undocumented...
They are doing so for work, any work they can find, Or maybe you think working in a field is a fun job filled with laughs and fresh-air.

Travel to say Panama, try staying there for a year and not keep copies of your papers on you... Not going to happen, you will be stopped at a random check point and asked to show your ID at some point. Nobody jumps up and down saying it's profiling etc...

the issue for central americans is to survive the mexico segment of the trip :2 cents:

Yep. I don't think it would be difficult at all. Put a small military base every forty or fifty miles, put a big fucking wall - think like the Great Wall in China - and man it every 100 feet.

Americans are free to leave. We aren't trying to keep people in, but trying to keep people out. If you feel the United States is unable to give you what you need.... Not a problem, there are people lined up to take your place.

That's what the Eastern German government said when they built the wall

You are so pro-police state, i almost think you are trolling.

End the welfare state, open the borders. There are thousands of miles of open border not monitored, there are thousands of miles of shoreline not watched.

The same people that cheer on Reagan's quote "Tear down this wall" want to seal up our own country with a wall.. derp. :1orglaugh

Incorrect.

The goal of such a wall would really be to force everyone who wants into the US to go through proper channels and checkpoints. You know, like they already do and have been doing for decades at airports, seaports, and existing border crossings. It's not about keeping people out at all. It's about a reduction in the illegal immigrant problem, something every country has a right to.


I have to say that I hate the notion of a wall though. Far too many parallels to Belin. Germany never had a 'gator moat' though, which has a certain appeal. Get them from the Everglades and you'd solve two problems in one shot.

I kid. Or do I? :D

Isn't it funny watching all of these xenophobes go back and forth with their brilliant ideas? We should just give them Montana and build a wall around them. Then they can all carry guns and live like it's the wild west, have public hangings, no taxes, no abortion, no gays...and best of all NO MEXICANS.

So if you don't get a wall then America is unable giving you what YOU need. Not a problem, there are people lined up to take your place.

end the welfare state: open the border to an uneducated, under skilled population....make complete sense to me :thumbsup

you're not very smart are you?

fyi, the Great Wall of China did NOT work at keeping people out.

great wall of china was never meant to keep people out

Have a regular force that patrols the border, supplemented by each of the states sending their National Guard troops for one week a year. Paying and training them anyway.

ok, i'll bite.. what was the massive wall used for then?

East Germany had people who wanted to leave, and were leaving in large numbers. Even after they built the wall they still continued to leave.

With the US it's the direct opposite. Anyone who wants to leave is welcome to leave. But in the mean time we are being flooded with illegal aliens. We will welcome new people, but they need to do so legally.

I might just be. (pro police state, not tolling)

I don't live in fear of "loosing my rights". I could care less what the government knows about me; Google knows much more and can do much damage. I am not afraid of the local cops busting down my door because I know I've done nothing wrong. I want my local police force to be strong; I want them to sweep crime from the streets I live on.

As for our borders... We always just assumed they were secure. They never were. During WWII the Germans landed spies directly onto beaches, and Japan bombed the US and we didn't even notice they were here. I want my fucking borders secured. Stop the drugs, stop the flow of illegals. If you want to come here and live here, great - do it legally like the rest of us did.

I like this idea

The vast majority of us go through proper channels and checkpoints. I have a passport; The US knows every time I leave the country and when I return. Putting a wall up will not change this because the vast majority of us will still have to go through the same legal crossings.

As for the parallels to the Berlin Wall... I don't see it at all. It's the direct opposite. People were willing to risk their lives to leave East Germany because they wanted to leave. At the same time people are willing to risk their lives to come to the US. The Berlin Wall was a sign of failure; Our wall is a sign of our success.

Europe is going to start seeing the same problems in the near future. Come see me in forty years when they no longer speak French in France.

tell that to the mongrels.

doh!

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you living your dream in your desired future:
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Exactly :thumbsup If money wasnt coming in the border would had been blocked LONG ago, nothing happen for no reason.

I wonder why they built it then.

It's my understanding its original intent was to keep invading hoards out, it slowed them down but the mongols (play on words, mongrels! yuk yuk) among others, were merely slowed for a bit as they then proceed to lay waste to China time and again.

I'm recollecting though, ,........

I guess the great wall of China if not built to keep people out was then built with the foresight of tourists in mind..?

i am sure they knew once they were over the wall, laden with loot, and about to have an extremely difficult time getting back..

raiding was inevitable.. the wall was built in order to trap raiders in