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dyna mo 10-28-2014 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAR (Post 20269769)
I guess the great wall of China if not built to keep people out was then built with the foresight of tourists in mind..?

duh!

http://thetraveluster.com/wp-content.../03/SAS-48.jpg

Vendzilla 10-28-2014 12:58 PM

Why is there any debate about this

Last week, a guy that was deported back to Mexico for dealing drugs TWICE killed two deputies in Auburn California.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1566388/ill...rnia-deputies/

This up in Rochards area, the US government is suppose to protect us from shit bags like this guy. So yeah, fly drones overhead and shoot at anything that moves!!!

TheSquealer 10-28-2014 01:01 PM

A new audit has discovered over 1,400 registered voters on North Carolina’s voting rolls are likely not citizens of the United States.

The North Carolina State Board of Elections revealed Friday that it looked at data from the N.C. Division of Motor Vehicles and Department of Homeland Security and found that 1,425 are likely non-citizens and therefore ineligible to vote.
“We are working to ensure that no ballot cast by a non-citizen will count in this or any future election,” State Board of Elections Executive Director Kim Westbrook Strach said in a statement. “Our ongoing partnership with DMV strengthens the integrity of our elections process and security of the voter rolls.”

Of those non-citizens on the voting rolls, the State Board of Elections confirmed that 109 illegal immigrants who have been shielded from deportation and allowed to obtain work permits and drivers licenses through President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, are included in the voting rolls. They are also ineligible to vote.
The revelation comes with the midterm elections less than two weeks away, including a squeaker U.S. Senate race between incumbent Sen. Kay Hagan (NC-D) and state House Speaker Thom Tillis, a Republican.

A new study highlighted last week speculated that illegal, non-citizen votes have swayed past elections for Democrats.
The State Board of Elections said that it would be providing election officials protocol to challenge ballots from individuals identified as non-citizens, including offering the would-be voter the opportunity to prove his or her citizenship.

There are more than 6.6 million registered voters in North Carolina. Most of the non-citizen registered voters were found in Guilford (115), Mecklenburg (313), and Wake (252) counties.

Itchy 10-28-2014 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20269642)
great wall of china was never meant to keep people out

The Great Wall of China is a series of fortifications made of stone, brick, tamped earth, wood, and other materials, generally built along an east-to-west line across the historical northern borders of China in part to protect the Chinese Empire or its prototypical states against intrusions by various nomadic groups or military incursions by various warlike peoples or forces. Several walls were being built as early as the 7th century BC;[3] these, later joined together and made bigger and stronger, are now collectively referred to as the Great Wall.[4] Especially famous is the wall built between 220?206 BC by the first Emperor of China, Qin Shi Huang. Little of that wall remains. Since then, the Great Wall has on and off been rebuilt, maintained, and enhanced; the majority of the existing wall is from the Ming Dynasty.

Other purposes of the Great Wall have included border controls, allowing the imposition of duties on goods transported along the Silk Road, regulation or encouragement of trade and the control of immigration and emigration. Furthermore, the defensive characteristics of the Great Wall were enhanced by the construction of watch towers, troop barracks, garrison stations, signaling capabilities through the means of smoke or fire, and the fact that the path of the Great Wall also served as a transportation corridor.

TheSquealer 10-28-2014 01:03 PM

Fourteen percent of non-citizens reported that they were registered to vote, and a not-insubstantial chunk of that subset admitted to actually casting ballots. The authors run through some not-so-hypothetical consequences:

Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin.

Tom_PM 10-28-2014 01:28 PM

All citizens should have a chip implanted and you should know that these will be actively scanned at all times. You will not need to present papers; it's all in your head. You will not need to present ID's; it's all in your head. You don't have to worry about illegals ruining YOUR country; it's all in your head.

yw

dyna mo 10-28-2014 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom_PM (Post 20269821)
All citizens should have a chip implanted and you should know that these will be actively scanned at all times. You will not need to present papers; it's all in your head. You will not need to present ID's; it's all in your head. You don't have to worry about illegals ruining YOUR country; it's all in your head.

yw

rochard pre-ordered one of those.

Grapesoda 10-28-2014 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20269662)
ok, i'll bite.. what was the massive wall used for then?

some kind of spirit invasion and people

Grapesoda 10-28-2014 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 20269728)
you living your dream in your desired future:
http://www.espalhafactos.com/wp-cont.../scr198402.png

yes except it's liberals that will bring that on if it happens....that's the crowd that wants MORE gov regulation :2 cents:

MK Ultra 10-28-2014 04:07 PM

Your thread title is incorrect, it should read:

"it amazes me when people argue against closing the border"

bronco67 10-28-2014 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20269609)
you're not very smart are you?

because I just described your vision of Utopia?

Grapesoda 10-28-2014 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20270055)
because I just described your vision of Utopia?

well somewhat because your concepts hover in the 3rd grade range but mostly because your best ideas are to destroy the system that allows a stupid person like to run your mouth in public :2 cents:

think about, if you are able too: you belittle anyone that disagrees with you, you attack their business (trying to destroy their families) and try to destroy their public images...another attack on the family ... so if people like YOU ran the system... what do you suppose would happen when YOU started running your stupid 3rd grade mouth?

bronco67 10-28-2014 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20270094)
well somewhat because your concepts hover in the 3rd grade range but mostly because your best ideas are to destroy the system that allows a stupid person like to run your mouth in public :2 cents:

think about, if you are able too: you belittle anyone that disagrees with you, you attack their business (trying to destroy their families) and try to destroy their public images...another attack on the family ... so if people like YOU ran the system... what do you suppose would happen when YOU started running your stupid 3rd grade mouth?

Well, you know everything...so I guess you're right.

baddog 10-28-2014 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20269764)
It's my understanding its original intent was to keep invading hoards out, it slowed them down but the mongols (play on words, mongrels! yuk yuk) among others, were merely slowed for a bit as they then proceed to lay waste to China time and again.

I'm recollecting though, ,........

You are correct; _Dick_ is an idiot

_Richard_ 10-28-2014 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20270178)
You are correct; _Dick_ is an idiot

ok, what is your suggestion on the reasoning of building a wall to keep people out, while having massive breaks in said wall that would make this strategy pointless?

now, i know the police aren't the most creative tools in the shed.. and your logic will be going against the dudes who managed to spit out the art of war.. but just try for me.

they built an incomplete wall in order to.. ?

Magnetron 10-28-2014 05:55 PM

See, if you trench the moat as far as Florida, it will become naturally stocked with alligators.

RandyRandy 10-28-2014 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20269512)
Americans are free to leave. We aren't trying to keep people in, but trying to keep people out. If you feel the United States is unable to give you what you need.... Not a problem, there are people lined up to take your place.

OK, I left. But whoever's replacing me better have mad skills as exhibited below:

http://pizzachef64.tumblr.com/post/1...izza-from-rwnd

DBS.US 10-28-2014 09:55 PM

http://www.tickld.com/cdn_image_arti...0729120630.jpg
Quote:

Originally Posted by artwilliams (Post 20269248)
Exactly how do you close a 3,145 km (1,954 mi) border?


Grapesoda 10-29-2014 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MK Ultra (Post 20270054)
Your thread title is incorrect, it should read:

"it amazes me when people argue against closing the border"

thanks :thumbsup

Grapesoda 10-29-2014 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20270176)
Well, you know everything...so I guess you're right.

just admit it...you're stupid: we were all discussing this story

According to Mexico’s national statistics institute (INEGI), there were 105,682 kidnappings last year but only 1,317 were reported to police.

June 30th last year army troops shot dead 15 civilians in cold blood before tampering with the crime scene to make it look like the victims died in crossfire.

An estimated 100,000 people have died, while 25,000 remain unaccounted for as the level of collusion between police, army, politicians and drug traffickers has reached epidemic proportions.

The trail of destruction wrought by drug violence is intimately connected to a political system which worships finance and turns a blind eye to corruption and money-laundering.


--------- see? we want to protect the border states from this level of violence and your thought is 'we are afraid some Mexican is going to sell us oranges by the freeway onramp' and you post some weird Nazi shit about hiding behind a wall in montana or where ever... and your dipshit moron buddies agree with you :1orglaugh

simple fact: you can't understand what's going on around you...you are stupid :2 cents:

http://cdn.head-fi.org/d/d4/350x232p...your_head.jpeg

XXXBizXXX 10-29-2014 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by artwilliams (Post 20269248)
Exactly how do you close a 3,145 km (1,954 mi) border?

http://www.crystalinks.com/chinawallarge.gif

tony286 10-29-2014 06:52 AM

You dont need a wall. its very simple if you hire an illegal immigrant you go to jail automatically for 5 yrs. When they are taking the ceo of some chicken plant out in shackles watch illegal immigration drop like a rock.

SongRider 10-29-2014 06:57 AM

In the BIG picture... If your a citizen of the US then why worry about it? You have NO voice and your opinion is just dust in the wind.

You FIRST have to start a business... lets see... maybe an invisible fence business that alerts guards when its breached... Call it the "Invisible Border Fence Company" and incorporate it and grow that business into a multi billion dollar industry that uses REALLY cheap labor... Hmmm lets say like, Illegal immigrants say from some place like um... MEXICO!!! Yeah, that will work - to maximize profits so you can afford to pay lobbyists to buy representatives and insure your voice is not only heard but your will to close the boarders will be..... Umm.... Well, Nevermind. :disgust

PAR 10-29-2014 08:33 AM

http://visionroom.com/wp-content/fil...eyWontCome.jpg

Robbie 10-29-2014 09:31 AM

In my opinion this is a problem created by the United States. And now we want to build our own version of "The Iron Curtain" to "solve" it?

Think about it for a minute.

Richard Nixon declares a "War On Drugs".
Jimmy Carter put it on the back burner (I read that during the Carter years, the entire DEA was a handful of agents)

Then Pres. Reagan fired it back up to the monster sized bureaucracy with an ARMY of DEA agents.

And what did they do?

They went after Colombia.
I remember it happening on the news very well.

The U.S. sent military "advisors" down to Colombia (the Feds threatened the country with sanctions if they didn't agree).
Immediately violence broke out in Colombia as the drug cartels began fighting the police and army (remember, they even killed the members of the Colombian Supreme Court)

Finally, after years of bloodshed and violence...the Cartels were "beaten" and the world was "safe" thanks to the U.S. Federal Govt.

NO!

The Mexicans took that over.

And THAT is when the so-called border "problem" really started.

Before that we didn't have a lot of violence on our border. And Mexico was a place that people drove down to and had fun.
Hell, our kids were going there for spring break (thanks to state govt's all raising the drinking age so a legal adult of 18-20 years old can't even have a fucking beer).

Now? It's a bloodbath because the United States Federal Govt. turned it into one with the "Drug War".

And they want to "fix" it by building a Wall?

I personally disagree with this 100%. This isn't "freedom".

DWB 10-29-2014 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20269695)
If you want to come here and live here, great - do it legally like the rest of us did.

http://i.imgur.com/x58MSMv.jpg

DWB 10-29-2014 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20270806)
In my opinion this is a problem created by the United States. And now we want to build our own version of "The Iron Curtain" to "solve" it?

Think about it for a minute.

Richard Nixon declares a "War On Drugs".
Jimmy Carter put it on the back burner (I read that during the Carter years, the entire DEA was a handful of agents)

Then Pres. Reagan fired it back up to the monster sized bureaucracy with an ARMY of DEA agents.

And what did they do?

They went after Colombia.
I remember it happening on the news very well.

The U.S. sent military "advisors" down to Colombia (the Feds threatened the country with sanctions if they didn't agree).
Immediately violence broke out in Colombia as the drug cartels began fighting the police and army (remember, they even killed the members of the Colombian Supreme Court)

Finally, after years of bloodshed and violence...the Cartels were "beaten" and the world was "safe" thanks to the U.S. Federal Govt.

NO!

The Mexicans took that over.

And THAT is when the so-called border "problem" really started.

Before that we didn't have a lot of violence on our border. And Mexico was a place that people drove down to and had fun.
Hell, our kids were going there for spring break (thanks to state govt's all raising the drinking age so a legal adult of 18-20 years old can't even have a fucking beer).

Now? It's a bloodbath because the United States Federal Govt. turned it into one with the "Drug War".

And they want to "fix" it by building a Wall?

Man, spot... fucking... on.

dyna mo 10-29-2014 02:59 PM

we need a wall czar to fix this problem!

BO needs to tap a crony.


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