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porno jew 03-05-2012 10:14 AM

Ron Paul: Don't Help The Tornado Victims
 
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ron paul 2012.

WarChild 03-05-2012 10:15 AM

Ron Paul: Still not going to be President.

porno jew 03-05-2012 10:18 AM

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this is what freedom looks like.

BladeZ 03-05-2012 10:25 AM

If he would lose everything he got he wouldn't accept help if offered?

sperbonzo 03-05-2012 10:26 AM

What he said was that Federal money should not be used, that they should have insurance, like the rest of us. If your house burns down, does federal aid step in? And should it?


""There is no such thing as federal money," Paul said. "Federal money is just what they steal from the states and steal from you and me." While there is a role for the National Guard in these sorts of disasters, according to Paul, the Federal Emergency Management Agency usually does little but frustrate people. "To say that any accident that happens in the country, send in FEMA, send in the money, the government has all this money—it is totally out of control, and it's not efficient," Paul said."

AS for your "this is what freedom looks like" comment... They were free to build in that area, or not, and they were free to get insurance or not. However we are NOT free to decide if we have to pay taxes or not to give to them. That is FORCED on us. Remember, we aren't talking about charity here, we are talking about money taken by force and then given to others.


The real test of principles is when they will stand up even in a situation where people like you will obviously jump on the emotional aspects in order to twist things around.


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Fletch XXX 03-05-2012 10:27 AM

where is FEMA???

porno jew 03-05-2012 10:28 AM

this just shows us what a libertarian utopia looks like and how we would interact with each other.

ron paul 2012.

porno jew 03-05-2012 10:30 AM

you are just trying to obfuscate the very simple point that those tornado victims should be liberated from any help under ron paul's future libertarian utopia.

they would be taught the virtues of selfishness.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 18803979)
What he said was that Federal money should not be used, that they should have insurance, like the rest of us. If your house burns down, does federal aid step in? And should it?


""There is no such thing as federal money," Paul said. "Federal money is just what they steal from the states and steal from you and me." While there is a role for the National Guard in these sorts of disasters, according to Paul, the Federal Emergency Management Agency usually does little but frustrate people. "To say that any accident that happens in the country, send in FEMA, send in the money, the government has all this money?it is totally out of control, and it's not efficient," Paul said."

AS for your "this is what freedom looks like" comment... They were free to build in that area, or not, and they were free to get insurance or not. However we are NOT free to decide if we have to pay taxes or not to give to them. That is FORCED on us. Remember, we aren't talking about charity here, we are talking about money taken by force and then given to others.


The real test of principles is when they will stand up even in a situation where people like you will obviously jump on the emotional aspects in order to twist things around.


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Fletch XXX 03-05-2012 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 18803979)

AS for your "this is what freedom looks like" comment... They were free to build in that area, or not, and they were free to get insurance or not.


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noticed you are in Florida, might I refresh your memory of Hurricane Andrew?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Andrew

Florida gets help every hurricane, as other places that suffer this type of destruction.

porno jew 03-05-2012 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 18803981)
where is FEMA???

in ron paul's libertarian utopia they would be liberated from any help from fema. we can only pray for such liberation in the future.

porno jew 03-05-2012 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18804002)
So would you be for or against someone robbing a bank at gun point to pay for their homes they didn't insure?

i am actually against piss poor illiterate analogies more.

L-Pink 03-05-2012 10:33 AM

If those houses had a mortgage then having insurance is mandatory. If those houses were 100% owned then the owners were foolish for not protecting a debt free asset. Either way to bad loosing all your personal property.

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Fletch XXX 03-05-2012 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18804019)
Like George Carlin said about the people who build their homes under a volcano then wake up one day and wonder why they have lava in the living room :1orglaugh

Sure I feel bad for the tornado victims and they SHOULD be helped. However, sending them government aid is NOT helping them

might I ask where is safe place to live on Earth free from natural disaster?

porno jew 03-05-2012 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 18804025)
might I ask where is safe place to live on Earth free from natural disaster?

in the hollow earth where johnny thinks the aliens who control the earth live.

porno jew 03-05-2012 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18804027)
Ron Paul never said "Don't help the tornado victims"....totally misleading headline

Government force vs. free market- learn it

you think aliens live the the hollow earth. you are the last person who could educate me.

PR_Glen 03-05-2012 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18803992)
The government can't help you

The free market WILL help you

Not hard to distinguish between the two. The lack of philosophy by some on this forum is astounding

how does one 'lack' philosophy?

is it the same way they lack geography?

Fletch XXX 03-05-2012 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18804031)
If I live in tornado alley, I'm going to get insurance from tornadoes....same thing with hurricanes

youre talking to someone who knows people who had insurance and lost their entire home and everything they own in hurricane katrina in area as vast as new orleans to mississippi, I know family who lost homes in multiple states. How you live safe from that? . insurance will not save you. know anyone who actually lost a home? I know dozens. My family lost a bunch of them, I can assure you, its much more difficult than you make it.

"get insurance and youre fine" hardly, read stories of those who lost it all then come tell me insurance will save you...

porno jew 03-05-2012 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 18804038)
how does one 'lack' philosophy?

is it the same way they lack geography?

he uses that word whenever he wants to sound intelligent and prove a point. has no idea what it actually means.

porno jew 03-05-2012 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18804048)
Because people who lack philosophy claim that when a person says not to send government money to "fix" the problem (which never happens) that they are saying "screw them! dont help them!" when in reality it is the OPPOSITE. The free market is the only thing that can and WILL help

how can one lack philosophy?

porno jew 03-05-2012 10:45 AM

i must be lacking in philosophy.

cherrylula 03-05-2012 10:46 AM

Natural disasters and politicians go together like peanut butter and jelly! They need each other.

porno jew 03-05-2012 10:47 AM

i am thinking right now, but i lack philosophy. this all does not compute.

porno jew 03-05-2012 10:49 AM

ok i just thought of a tornado now. what just happened if i am not thinking? please explain.

Fletch XXX 03-05-2012 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18804054)
Ok, then what are you doing to help your friends out?

not that I owe you an explanation, but at the time I was living in california, and actually let people evacuate to my home and stay with me. I had evacuees living with me and helped them get their aid and try find place to live. Ive done more to assist natural disaster victims than youll ever know, i dont post about it. in fact, part of the reason I moved from cali back to home town new orleans was to help my family members who lost homes and my grandmother died right after the hurricane 3 weeks without power so ive spent the past 5 years helping people get their lives back together, and have seen my family struggle and even some lose it all during this. Everything from losing jobs to homes, I wont even go into oil spill that hit this area. I signed up and worked 14 hours a day for 6 months to help that disaster.

run along.

DWB 03-05-2012 10:51 AM

I don't see why this would be a federal issue. He is right.

If a tornado / hurricane / earthquake rips your house apart, that is a state issue. And if you own a house, you better have insurance on it. This is not rocket science. It's common sense 101.

BladeZ 03-05-2012 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 18804089)
not that I owe you an explanation, but at the time I was living in california, and actually let people evacuate to my home and stay with me. I had evacuees living with me and helped them get their aid and try find place to live. Ive done more to assist natural disaster victims than youll ever know, i dont post about it. in fact, part of the reason I moved from cali back to home town new orleans was to help my family members who lost homes and my grandmother died right after the hurricane 3 weeks without power so ive spent the past 5 years helping people get their lives back together, and have seen my family struggle and even some lose it all during this. Everything from losing jobs to homes, I wont even go into oil spill that hit this area. I signed up and worked 14 hours a day for 6 months to help that disaster.

run along.

:thumbsup nothing wrong with being a caring human.

DWB 03-05-2012 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 18804050)
youre talking to someone who knows people who had insurance and lost their entire home and everything they own in hurricane katrina in area as vast as new orleans to mississippi, I know family who lost homes in multiple states. How you live safe from that? . insurance will not save you. know anyone who actually lost a home? I know dozens. My family lost a bunch of them, I can assure you, its much more difficult than you make it.

"get insurance and youre fine" hardly, read stories of those who lost it all then come tell me insurance will save you...

While I sympathize with anyone who loses their home and belongings, this is just a fact of life we all have to deal with. Each and every one of us are always at risk of losing something, including our lives. That's just how it works. As unfair as it may seem, and as difficult as it may be to build again with or without insurance, life happens. There is nothing we can do about that, and we never know when it's going to happen.

A falling meteor could smash through my roof at any second. I could fall over from a heart attack and die. I could have a stroke. An earthquake could level my entire city. I could slip in the bathroom, break my neck, and spend the rest of my life in a wheelchair. You can't escape risk and the possible loss that comes with it.

spazlabz 03-05-2012 10:59 AM

I spent the weekend helping out some of the people who were hit locally by the storms. I hope if it happens to me there will be others around to help me out

DWB 03-05-2012 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18804088)
ok i just thought of a tornado now. what just happened if i am not thinking? please explain.

Pretty sure you just made a butterfly start flapping its wings.

sperbonzo 03-05-2012 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 18804089)
not that I owe you an explanation, but at the time I was living in california, and actually let people evacuate to my home and stay with me. I had evacuees living with me and helped them get their aid and try find place to live. Ive done more to assist natural disaster victims than youll ever know, i dont post about it. in fact, part of the reason I moved from cali back to home town new orleans was to help my family members who lost homes and my grandmother died right after the hurricane 3 weeks without power so ive spent the past 5 years helping people get their lives back together, and have seen my family struggle and even some lose it all during this. Everything from losing jobs to homes, I wont even go into oil spill that hit this area. I signed up and worked 14 hours a day for 6 months to help that disaster.

run along.


This is wonderful and your actions speak very highly of you. No where does Ron Paul say that people shouldn't do that and help each other. He says that the people shouldn't use force to take some peoples money and give it to others to "help" them. People voluntarily helping each other is wonderful. People taking stuff from others by force and then redistributing it is not. Huge difference, and the wording of the headline and the article is deliberately misleading and emotionally loaded.... as are the comments of the OP, come to think of it.


:2 cents:.

2012 03-05-2012 11:00 AM

go FEMA !



I hope the food is good when we get there. I'm glad the government is looking out for our safety and preparing for the worst ! I feel safe.



I need the government in my pants,wallet, milk and lemonade because I'm retarded. The more the better !

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Brujah 03-05-2012 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 18803979)
AS for your "this is what freedom looks like" comment... They were free to build in that area, or not

Why this comment?

By the same notion, what should we do with everyone living in past disaster areas? What about the population of New Orleans? Coastal areas? Fault lines? What about foreign aid? Israel?

SuckOnThis 03-05-2012 11:04 AM

To the low IQ Glenn Becks of the world that have become cheerleaders for insurance companies and spout off about letting the free market reign, just look at what insurance companies put people through after disasters.


State Farm Katrina Claims Denied Lawsuits
http://www.yourlawyer.com/topics/ove...katrina_claims


State Farm accused of Katrina racketeering
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19337558.../#.T1T_lEeEOlA


$100 Million State Farm Settlement Over Northridge Earthquake
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1...uake-insurance

porno jew 03-05-2012 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 18804141)
Why this comment?

By the same notion, what should we do with everyone living in past disaster areas? What about the population of New Orleans? Coastal areas? Fault lines? What about foreign aid? Israel?

the will be free to be crushed to death in an earthquake of course.

ron paul 2012.

sperbonzo 03-05-2012 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 18804141)
Why this comment?

By the same notion, what should we do with everyone living in past disaster areas? What about the population of New Orleans? Coastal areas? Fault lines? What about foreign aid? Israel?

I think that people living in New Orleans should have looked at their totally corrupt local governments when it came to preparation and help .... also, living in a bowl that is lower than sea level is kind of silly. If I decide to build my house on a volcano, then I'm allowed to use force to take your money when my house is covered in lava?

As for coastal areas, I think that it's wrong that we give federal grants for coastal insurance for people that build on unstable beaches that get flooded regularly.

Foreign aid should be voluntary, not compulsory through our taxes. Frankly there is a lot of evidence that foreign aid actually does much more harm than good anyway.

Israel, and every other country, should not have aid from our government, again, if people wish to give and help, they are free to do that, or NOT give, whatever they wish.

Hentaikid 03-05-2012 11:17 AM

Paul had a young campaign manager of his die of cancer because he had no health insurance, certainly practices what he preaches, that one.

pornguy 03-05-2012 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 18804025)
might I ask where is safe place to live on Earth free from natural disaster?

Look at the maps of the US that show the most hit areas for Tornado . Then dont build there.

if you do build there DONT build of all wood.


Get Insurance like the rest of the country and when the house gets removed from the map try and get them to pay the claim.


As for the people that brought up Florida getting his by a hurricane. It is actually a very rare thing. But Tornados in tornado alley hit every year

porno jew 03-05-2012 11:19 AM

thanks to global climate change areas that historically never had tornadoes are now experiencing them. i live in one of those areas.

since your solution to natural disasters is to not build in such areas, what would be your solution to areas now affected? move towns and cities?

also can you point out any area where there are no potential natural disasters. that would help with picking to place to move to thanks.

porno jew 03-05-2012 11:21 AM

also since fracking is causing earthquakes to hit areas where there have been no earthquakes historically such as the midwest where should those cities move as well thanks.

Fletch XXX 03-05-2012 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 18804190)
Look at the maps of the US that show the most hit areas for Tornado . Then dont build there.

if you do build there DONT build of all wood.


Get Insurance like the rest of the country and when the house gets removed from the map try and get them to pay the claim.


As for the people that brought up Florida getting his by a hurricane. It is actually a very rare thing. But Tornados in tornado alley hit every year

you missed the point, there is no safe area to live, especially in the US. The continent was formed via natural destruction to continental areas of earth LOL

From California earthquakes to Alabama hurricanes, the entire continent is a danger zone prone to natural disaster any time of the year in all seasons LOL


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