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WarChild 03-06-2012 12:17 PM
You know in retrospect it's not cool to shatter an old man's tiny little World with the truth. Stats removed.

You're right Paul, you totally win.

porno jew 03-06-2012 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18807047)
So Paul worked for the government and earns a pension? LOL
do you even know what a pension is? i may lack "philosophy" but i know how that program works.

porno jew 03-06-2012 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18807309)
For the government? Yes, they mortgage the future of the unborn to pay for the retirement of people not bright enough to work in the private sector. The money is extracted at gun point from the rest of us, and the unborn to pay for them. It can't last much longer though...mathematically impossible
that you think that the only way paul could have a pension is to have worked for the government shows how little you know about reality and how simple you are.

before you go and discover the secrets of the universe you should actually learn how reality works first.

WarChild 03-06-2012 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18807329)
What does ron paul have anything to do with me and what are you talking about?
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

porno jew 03-06-2012 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18807329)
What does ron paul have anything to do with me and what are you talking about?
paul markham retard. you know the guy with the pension who must have worked for the government?

porno jew 03-06-2012 01:58 PM
this is what tornado relief would look like for the majority of people in ron paul's libertarian utopia.

porno jew 03-06-2012 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18807465)
No, that's what the governments looks like...I love you act AS IF the government actually works...when it doesn't. Its an utter, epic failure
how did we get to the moon?

Brujah 03-06-2012 03:05 PM
Guys guys guys ... HOLLOW EARTH ALIENS?!!

Evil1 03-06-2012 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18807444)
this is what tornado relief would look like for the majority of people in ron paul's libertarian utopia.
And praying is effective as the government at fixing problems.

PornMD 03-06-2012 04:17 PM
If we're going to help natural disaster victims get into new homes, we may as well help everyone who's not currently in a home get into new homes. Otherwise, it's playing favorites and it makes no sense for anyone in a natural disaster area to buy home insurance when they could get bailed out if the worst happens anyways.

My neighbor's house could accidentally burn down tonight and there would be no national cavalry to help him. What makes natural disasters different, especially ones that happen in places where they always happen?

If the govt pays for it, why not the state govt instead of the federal govt?

Jakez 03-06-2012 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18806732)
and paul markham derailed yet another thread.
Not like Johnny was taking it anywhere. :1orglaugh

WarChild 03-06-2012 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18808268)
Right, because forcing people to pay for other people isn't wrong or anything :1orglaugh
You're free to leave the Country, renounce your citizenship and then you won't be "forced" to pay any Federal taxes. Of course, you don't sound like a very good candidate for citizenship anywhere else so I guess you're stuck with it after all.

WarChild 03-06-2012 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18808291)
I don't want to move anywhere and have every right not to...dont give me that nonsense, I guess the jews could have moved out of nazi germany
Well unfortunately in order for people to live together in a civil society, all kinds of compromises have to be made. There's no country on Earth that will accomdate your wants. That's something you're powerless to change so you'd better get used to it.

So you're free to stay or leave, but if you stay you're going to be paying taxes or you're right you'll be removed from society by force. That's the way it is.

Your ranting and raving is somewhere between lunacy and an angry child stamping her feet because her father won't allow her to have ice cream.

WarChild 03-06-2012 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18808311)
Terrible post ....absolutely terrible...
Yes I'm sure to your crazy mind it is. It's absolutely true though.

I did neglect to mention one thing. You also have the right to gather like minded individuals and petition the government, or even form a new government with enough support, and make the changes you'd like to see. Of course that's not really an option because the majority of people live in the real world and not the fantasty land you do.

Enjoy your torment at the hands of society. :1orglaugh

MarkTiarra 03-06-2012 10:32 PM
Totally agreed. You can't ask the government to play mommy and daddy without also having them tell you what you can and cannot do/watch/say. It doesn't work that way.

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 18803979)
What he said was that Federal money should not be used, that they should have insurance, like the rest of us. If your house burns down, does federal aid step in? And should it?


""There is no such thing as federal money," Paul said. "Federal money is just what they steal from the states and steal from you and me." While there is a role for the National Guard in these sorts of disasters, according to Paul, the Federal Emergency Management Agency usually does little but frustrate people. "To say that any accident that happens in the country, send in FEMA, send in the money, the government has all this money?it is totally out of control, and it's not efficient," Paul said."

AS for your "this is what freedom looks like" comment... They were free to build in that area, or not, and they were free to get insurance or not. However we are NOT free to decide if we have to pay taxes or not to give to them. That is FORCED on us. Remember, we aren't talking about charity here, we are talking about money taken by force and then given to others.


The real test of principles is when they will stand up even in a situation where people like you will obviously jump on the emotional aspects in order to twist things around.


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WarChild 03-06-2012 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18808326)
No, thats what the government wants you to do.

You don't even see the big picture. Just another brainwashed sheep :Oh crap:1orglaugh:helpme
You should really seek professional help. You'll probably find life more enjoyable if you make an attempt to deal with your mental issues. :2 cents:

WarChild 03-06-2012 10:39 PM
Interestingly enough, I don't like paying taxes either. What did I do about it? I moved to an island paradise with no income tax.

See, there's two types of people in this world. Those with dreams of how they'd like things to be and those who make things the way they'd like them to be. Owing to your very limited ability to cope with real world issues you'll always be a member of the first group while I'll enjoy being a member of the second. Nothing you can type on GFY will ever change that. Enjoy the frustration.

MarkTiarra 03-06-2012 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 18808336)
Interestingly enough, I don't like paying taxes either. What did I do about it? I moved to an island paradise with no income tax.

See, there's two types of people in this world. Those with dreams of how they'd like things to be and those who make things the way they'd like them to be. Owing to your very limited ability to cope with real world issues you'll always be a member of the first group while I'll enjoy being a member of the second. Nothing you can type on GFY will ever change that. Enjoy the frustration.
First off... Fucking A right, man. Second... Love the avatar!

WarChild 03-06-2012 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MarkTiarra (Post 18808347)
First off... Fucking A right, man. Second... Love the avatar!
Thanks. I'm in the process of trying to open a Gracie Barra school in Bermuda. They currently don't have any formal BJJ on the island.

Jakez 03-06-2012 10:57 PM
Johnny: do you have zeitgiest movie tatted on your stomach? ZEITGEIST LIFE

Paul Markham 03-07-2012 12:48 AM
Unless one of the people on my ignore list has posted the costing of insuring everything via the public sector v the private sector. It's all guess work.

Which one is the most cost efficient and less risks of failure? Neither is perfect.

If an insurance or reinsurance company goes bankrupt because of the enormous damages does the US Government step in to rescue the company or just pick up the bill for the clean up?

This could be a private company in The Bahamas where the directors traders, partners were not spotlessly white and just part of a pyramid scheme. Or had invested the premiums in these companies or Greek Debt Bonds. :Oh crap

It's all academic as Ron Paul has no chance of getting his ideas adopted.

Brujah 03-07-2012 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 18808336)
Interestingly enough, I don't like paying taxes either. What did I do about it? I moved to an island paradise with no income tax.

See, there's two types of people in this world. Those with dreams of how they'd like things to be and those who make things the way they'd like them to be. Owing to your very limited ability to cope with real world issues you'll always be a member of the first group while I'll enjoy being a member of the second. Nothing you can type on GFY will ever change that. Enjoy the frustration.
Ouch. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Paul Markham 03-07-2012 01:23 AM
There are no free rides. Either you pay for it this way or you pay for it that way. Unless you're one of those who should be looked after.

So will paying for Disaster relief via private companies cost less than paying for it in your taxes?

Well a quick look can tell us about private health care cost v public health care costs.

http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/y/image...health_gdp.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_...ry_comparisons

http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/health/spend...longlife75.gif

http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapsho...OECDChart1.gif

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=110997469

Quote:
The United States spends more on medical care per person than any country, yet life expectancy is shorter than in most other developed nations and many developing ones. Lack of health insurance is a factor in life span and contributes to an estimated 45,000 deaths a year. Why the high cost? The U.S. has a fee-for-service system?paying medical providers piecemeal for appointments, surgery, and the like. That can lead to unneeded treatment that doesn?t reliably improve a patient?s health. Says Gerard Anderson, a professor at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health who studies health insurance worldwide, ?More care does not necessarily mean better care.? ?Michelle Andrews


Now then anyone who thinks that moving it to the private sector won't mean them paying for a disaster in another part of the country, or the rebuilding of another persons home, knows nothing about how the insurance industry works.

If I need to explain it, then you shouldn't be posting here.

Paul Markham 03-07-2012 01:24 AM
200 insurance policies later.


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