All this birth control bullshit
 

SO now Obama is trying to save face. Heard a spokesman say that every woman has the right to free birth control. WTF is going on in this country. Every woman has the right to free birth control? I don't remember reading that in the Constitution. Here my government is forcing insurance companies into this shit which results in my health insurance increasing. Government needs to get the fuck out of private business.

I can't stand when the religion is all wrapped up in the politics like this. It is such a waste of time and energy for all involved.

Would you rather pay for the kids education etc?

I don't agree with you Choker. I think birth control should be mandatory and permits needed to have a kid.

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Indeed. You need a fucking license for a dog.

This is where my grandmother would say "birth control is free and every woman does have a right to it! Abstinence!"

The main problem is people are too fucking stupid to understand what a "right" is. I have a right to this and that. No you don't. You do not have the right to take from another person.

I don't see that in the constitution either. But on a state level, yes I would pay for them.

I needed neighborhood approval and a permit to change the style of my screen door. The humane society makes house visits to see if you qualify to adopt a dog.

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damn kids get your abortions off my lawn!

cheaper to give away birth control pills than pay for a jail cell or a welfare check morons. look at the big picture.

You WOULD pay for them? Own property and you don't have a choice. I pay more than $1500.00 a month for property taxes to educate other peoples children.

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that's further than i would have gone but you have to admit, having poor people have kids all over the place because they can't afford to pay for birth control pills will end up costing the country more in the end.--this i'm sure we all can agree on.

Our tax rate for the schools is right around $12 per $1000. I said I would pay for their education, not these bloated pensions the teachers have :winkwink:

Not sure if every state has a STAR program, but...

http://www.tax.ny.gov/pit/property/star/index.htm

Simple solution, don't pay for them. I bet you see birth rates drop.

rock solid logic right there.

my saying since 1987...

Amendment 19, Woman's Sufferage.




(I'm kidding.)

How much do birth control pills cost?

I'm curious if the price is actually what is keeping girls from using them. If a given girl is not willing to cut out something else in their life to afford birth control pills, is she going to take the pills as required? Is she going to attend her appointments as required?

Or perhaps it's a numbers game and the amount that will take the pills properly will make up for the ones that don't.

Pretty touchy subject!

i personally think it should be a covered item. The poor have a list of medications that is covered by medicaid. Birthcontrol should be no different.
same goes with anti-smoking meds..

you can pay for it now or you can pay for it later.

As for him poking his nose and forcing private insurance companies, i have yet to see this. But most insurance companies already pay for this.

I dont see the arguement.

Government ran medicaid should cover this.

Well the way I see it is, if the government wont give away free birth control pills that makes an opportunity to start a non-profit to supply free birth control. I am sure the free market can find a way to do it. People are juts lazy and would rather use the force of government to make others do what they think is right.

I own commercial property and the taxes for schools are pathetic. On one warehouse the taxes are eighty seven cents a square foot. That's more than 10% of the lease value.

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In the UK, the doctors give birth control.. Natalie has been on an implant for 12 years, it's 99.8% definite. All birth control should be free, it is in the UK. If people have the respect to stop the population growing, it should be given...

L-Pink, The thing is, no birth control is 100%.... Therefore, permits to have a child, well, a silly idea, you probably said this in jest :2 cents:

10 years ago I was on them and it was $35 a month.

Teachers get tiny pensions...yet nobody complains about cops getting hugely bloated pensions that are actually causing municipalities to go broke...

I do. I was just talking with someone about it yesterday. Fire Department, too. Hey it's great that you are doing a job nobody else wants and serving the public, but come on...

I heard it was firefighters and I have a problem with all of them. :thumbsup

Yearly pension for Boston teachers:

http://boston.com/community/blogs/ro...-%20Table2.jpg

I guess it wouldn't be an issue if the Church would stop forcing a womens choice through massive social/church pressure and all the other crap they do, basically ripping away her freedoms, all in the name of religion.

Big bad Obama standing up for Women...

I agree with anything that makes any church have to get up some of its money... actually, I don't think a church should be allowed to make any profit, all money should be given back to the community... god simply doesn't need it.

P.S. If a women qualifies for assistance, she qualifies for birth control - but not if she is a member some churches, as they take that "social" responsibly, to ensure her choices are 'correct' in the name of that religion.

The Catholics stance on birth control is for priests to only have sex with boys. Genius.

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I kind of agree with you, but why is this not a problem in other countries? People here think they can just have kids and someone else will take care of them. fucked up :2 cents:

Obamacare is MAKING private insurance companies provide this for free. If you do not see how the government telling a PRIVATE company how to conduct it's business is serious problem, well I don't know man.

The argument that it's cheaper to provide the pills than take care of poor kids is valid, but at the cost of throwing out the rights of a private company to conduct business as it needs to? Not to mention the fact that forcing insurance companies to do this results in MY PREMIUMS going up. SO in the end I have to pay for womens birth control pills. There's a million ways to look at this issue.

L-Pink, what has happened to you today??? Like WTF!

Already said, how can you place a permit on having a child, when birth control is only 90 to 99% true....

Maybe China have the right idea with the law of a maximum amount & costs to pay if you have more.

Problem is, some families are very very nice & ideal to have many children, their children are intelligent & shall make this world a better place. Some families have 1 or 2 children & are complete rogues, creating trouble & not caring.... You cannot stereotype & the permit idea is just silly.

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For-Profit Healthcare shouldn't even BE a business, and then the government wouldn't be able to force these "businesses" to do anything.

EXACTLY. My point of this thread is that I think the government is far over reaching it's authority. Problem is we are becoming a welfare state so the majority of Americans support anything that gives them something for free.

The local humane society requires a home visit to make sure the home meets minimum requirements before you can adopt a DOG. But anyone can have children with society picking up the costs and in some cases even paying the mother. That's fucked up.

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The problem is, we don't spend enough money on bombs. It's obvious!

If we spent ALL of our money on war, then we wouldn't have to bicker about shit like education and healthcare...

http://www.hpjc.org/sites/www.hpjc.o...y_spending.png

A single mother qualifies for ? a free cell phone, free housing vouchers, free child care, free medical care, food stamps, assistance checks and will probably receive a tax refund check even though she didn't work. Or she could be on birth control. Let me see .....

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I wasn't saying its a rights issue, just saying its probably going to save people money at the end of the day.

On one hand the gov't should be in the business of encouraging people to have children at some level otherwise the country shrinks without immigration, just look at Japan for an example.

The real big problem is all the successful or educated people that don't want children vs. all the poor under educated people breeding like its going out of style. Maybe this gov't birth control helps more than it hurts to "fix" this social problem.

I agree with this, but that's what social services are for....

A permit is just stupid, it would increase the illegal baby trade or something bad would come of it....

People always try to break the law, rules, or get over a problem if they want something.

In the UK, we do have vetting to create a safe home... the midwife comes to your home.