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12clicks 11-07-2011 01:35 PM

will Newt win the GOP war of attrition and get the 75% Mitt can't?
 
Mitt can't get more than 25%
Newt has been slowly but steadily rising. Cain is probably now done.
Everyone knows Newt can beat Mitt and Barry in a debate.
could it actually happen?

if not, why not?

IllTestYourGirls 11-07-2011 01:38 PM

Media's and big government peoples wet dream. They cant lose with a Obama v Mitt or Obama v Newt. Bigger government and more wars either way. :thumbsup

12clicks 11-07-2011 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 18542811)
Media's and big government peoples wet dream. They cant lose with a Obama v Mitt or Obama v Newt. Bigger government and more wars either way. :thumbsup

I don't see that with newt. mitt for sure.

IllTestYourGirls 11-07-2011 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18542828)
I don't see that with newt. mitt for sure.

You really need to research Newt. :2 cents:

SuckOnThis 11-07-2011 01:55 PM

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12clicks 11-07-2011 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 18542830)
You really need to research Newt. :2 cents:

I'm pretty familiar:2 cents:

if you'd like to share, I'm all ears.

kane 11-07-2011 02:00 PM

Newt likely can't get much support from the religious right which means he can't win the early primaries that are in the bible belt. For him to win the nomination he is going to have to raise enough money so that he can hang around until later March/April when the primaries move to the more moderate/progressive states. I don't think he is capable of raising that kind of money. Also he is going to have to convince the Tea Party that he is not just another big government republican and so far they don't seem to be buying it on a grand scale. . . although he is getting some love from them.

He has a major uphill battle ahead of him.

If he pulls it off, the current polls show him trailing Obama by 13 points. That is going to be a huge gap to make up.

porno jew 11-07-2011 02:04 PM

out of touch with reality as usual. newt has zero charisma and support. also a dirtbag creep irl. would be great if was against obama. o's victory would be assured.

12clicks 11-07-2011 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 18542867)
Newt likely can't get much support from the religious right which means he can't win the early primaries that are in the bible belt. For him to win the nomination he is going to have to raise enough money so that he can hang around until later March/April when the primaries move to the more moderate/progressive states. I don't think he is capable of raising that kind of money. Also he is going to have to convince the Tea Party that he is not just another big government republican and so far they don't seem to be buying it.

He has a major uphill battle ahead of him.

If he pulls it off, the current polls show him trailing Obama by 13 points. That is going to be a huge gap to make up.

I agree he needs money but there is still a ton of money on the sidelines he could tap into if he becomes the "not romney" candidate.
Also, I think you're wrong about the religious right. If Cain is out, the choice will be newt or the rhino mormon. I'm liking his odds in that scenario.
And I don't think he has a problem with the tea party. he's pretty inline with them and has his original contract with america as street cred.

It will be interesting. I just think his road just got easier if cain is now out

12clicks 11-07-2011 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18542876)
out of touch with reality as usual. newt has zero charisma and support. also a dirtbag creep irl. would be great if was against obama. o's victory would be assured.

no, I'm out of touch with what the children think.

I posed a question. please stay out of adult threads.

kane 11-07-2011 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18542877)
I agree he needs money but there is still a ton of money on the sidelines he could tap into if he becomes the "not romney" candidate.
Also, I think you're wrong about the religious right. If Cain is out, the choice will be newt or the rhino mormon. I'm liking his odds in that scenario.
And I don't think he has a problem with the tea party. he's pretty inline with them and has his original contract with america as street cred.

It will be interesting. I just think his road just got easier if cain is now out

His road did get a lot easier with Cain self destructing.

As for the religious right, it will depend on what those voters do early. Worst case scenario for Newt or Mitt is that right out the gate in Iowa the religious right rallies around someone like Perry or Bachman and gives them a win. While I really doubt either of those two could win the nomination, it could drive donors to them and the press would love that because it would suddenly make them a potentially legit candidate. If someone like that comes out of nowhere both Mitt and Newt have real trouble. However, if, like you say, there is no religious right candidate that gets votes then the choice for those voters will be the Mormon or the guy who cheated on his wife and then divorced her while she was in the hospital with cancer. Likely, neither of them will get the support which actually could help Newt win the nomination, but could kill him in the general election.

12clicks 11-07-2011 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 18542897)
His road did get a lot easier with Cain self destructing.

As for the religious right, it will depend on what those voters do early. Worst case scenario for Newt or Mitt is that right out the gate in Iowa the religious right rallies around someone like Perry or Bachman and gives them a win. While I really doubt either of those two could win the nomination, it could drive donors to them and the press would love that because it would suddenly make them a potentially legit candidate. If someone like that comes out of nowhere both Mitt and Newt have real trouble. However, if, like you say, there is no religious right candidate that gets votes then the choice for those voters will be the Mormon or the guy who cheated on his wife and then divorced her while she was in the hospital with cancer. Likely, neither of them will get the support which actually could help Newt win the nomination, but could kill him in the general election.

yup, it just got really interesting.
taking off my conservative hat and looking at it as just a political junkie, I'd F-ing LOVE to see a handful of debates between Newt and Obama.

arock10 11-07-2011 02:21 PM

I hear Bachman coming back

Caligari 11-07-2011 02:24 PM

Newt Gingrich is perfect. I really hope he becomes the front runner.

And maybe he will pull in Palin or that other psycho Bachman as VP, just to add that woman's touch and look all progressive like.

It's an assured implosion made in hell;)

kane 11-07-2011 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18542914)
yup, it just got really interesting.
taking off my conservative hat and looking at it as just a political junkie, I'd F-ing LOVE to see a handful of debates between Newt and Obama.

That would be interesting because I would imagine that Newt would paint Obama as the standard issue big spending democrat and Obama would likely try to pin Newt down as one of the guys who caused the problems to start with.

It would be very interesting for sure.

nation-x 11-07-2011 02:28 PM

I think that Sharon Bialek just bought herself a ton of scrutiny. The right wing blogosphere has already exploded with all kinds of things... including speculation that she has ties to David Axelrod... however, that would seem odd since she is a registered Republican voter.

porno jew 11-07-2011 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18542879)
no, I'm out of touch with what the children think.

I posed a question. please stay out of adult threads.

your boss is calling. he wants some coffee. I man chat about sports/politics.

Wizzo 11-07-2011 02:28 PM

Newt, has a better chance with the Religious Right then Romney. They would prefer a divorced Christian over a moral Mormon... that's just how they roll... :winkwink:

nation-x 11-07-2011 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18542922)
Newt Gingrich is perfect.

I agree... I would love him to be nominated... there are literally 30 years of Newt's big mouth and multiple scandals... not to mention the fact that he was forced to resign as speaker over ethics violations...

stocktrader23 11-07-2011 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18542914)
yup, it just got really interesting.
taking off my conservative hat and looking at it as just a political junkie, I'd F-ing LOVE to see a handful of debates between Newt and Obama.

Me too, me too.

12clicks 11-07-2011 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizzo (Post 18542943)
Newt, has a better chance with the Religious Right then Romney. They would prefer a divorced Christian over a moral Mormon... that's just how they roll... :winkwink:

he'd just have to be born an extra time. :winkwink:

BFT3K 11-07-2011 02:32 PM

I think the Christian Conservatives will definitely support him!

I don't see any reasons why they wouldn't , do you?

Well maybe this...

Mr. Gingrich is now in his third marriage. But while married to Wife No 1, he cheated on her with would-be Wife No 2, and while Wife No 1 was still in the hospital after a very excruciating surgery for uterine cancer, he reportedly went to her sick bed to present her with divorce papers. After successfully dumping Wife No 1, he married Wife No 2, and for six years, while still married to Wife No 2, he was having affairs with Miss Callista Bisek, a Congressional aide, who is now Wife No 3.

I think he's perfect! Line him up!

crockett 11-07-2011 02:34 PM

Neut will get eaten alive with his past of 10 second sound clips. While maybe he was no Rush Liprod, he certainly used to say some pretty extreme stuff and he is still to this day the only speaker of the house to have been disciplined for ethics violations for lying.

While "today" he seems like the most "sensible" of all the GOP candidates, he has far too much bad history that makes him unelectable, just like the rest of the GOP candidates that are also unelectable.

Simple fact even if Obama was a Muslim not born in the US and a baby eater, he could still beat what the right wing are bringing to the table.

slavdogg 11-07-2011 02:35 PM

I liked Newt much better as Cain's VP.

I like newt, always have,
i just dont know how he'll do against Obama

Wizzo 11-07-2011 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18542951)
he'd just have to be born an extra time. :winkwink:

Are you saying "born again"? :upsidedow

slavdogg 11-07-2011 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18542953)

Well maybe this...

Mr. Gingrich is now in his third marriage. But while married to Wife No 1, he cheated on her with would-be Wife No 2, and while Wife No 1 was still in the hospital after a very excruciating surgery for uterine cancer, he reportedly went to her sick bed to present her with divorce papers. After successfully dumping Wife No 1, he married Wife No 2, and for six years, while still married to Wife No 2, he was having affairs with Miss Callista Bisek, a Congressional aide, who is now Wife No 3.

I think he's perfect! Line him up!

thats awesome haha
but US is not electing a wife.

Wizzo 11-07-2011 02:37 PM

Its sucks that Huntsman isn't getting any traction, that guy might actually move the country forward in a positive way... :pimp

12clicks 11-07-2011 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 18542949)
I agree... I would love him to be nominated... there are literally 30 years of Newt's big mouth and multiple scandals... not to mention the fact that he was forced to resign as speaker over ethics violations...

I think you're underestimating where the middle is on this and also where conservatives are on this.
Obama has lost much of the middle which is why he keeps losing in polls against an unknown republican. The other thing is that all of Newt's laundry is already out there. Odd as it seems, thats a plus in today's politics.

lastly, no one is going to let social matters get in the way of economic ones.
Thats why you hear virtually nothing about social values, abortion, etc. in this economic climate, no one gives a fuck about them.

12clicks 11-07-2011 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Wizzo (Post 18542963)
Are you saying "born again"? :upsidedow

no, I'm saying born again, and yet one more time for good meassure :winkwink:

baddog 11-07-2011 02:43 PM

I should put my hat in the ring.

nation-x 11-07-2011 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18542968)
I think you're underestimating where the middle is on this and also where conservatives are on this.
Obama has lost much of the middle which is why he keeps losing in polls against an unknown republican. The other thing is that all of Newt's laundry is already out there. Odd as it seems, thats a plus in today's politics.

lastly, no one is going to let social matters get in the way of economic ones.
Thats why you hear virtually nothing about social values, abortion, etc. in this economic climate, no one gives a fuck about them.

So... writing 22 bad checks against the house bank and misusing tax deductible donations to fund the college course he was teaching at the time... those don't matter.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...ies/012297.htm
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Rep. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.) said that had he known what was in the ethics committee's report, he would not have voted for Gingrich as speaker. "The gray got grayer when you read the report," he said. "When I think of my three boys and what kind of example I want to set for them for leadership in this country, gray is not the example."

nation-x 11-07-2011 03:09 PM

Maybe we should talk about Newt Gingrich's relationship with Sheldon Adelson

BFT3K 11-07-2011 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18542968)
Lastly, no one is going to let social matters get in the way of economic ones. Thats why you hear virtually nothing about social values, abortion, etc. in this economic climate, no one gives a fuck about them.

Gay Marriage - Abortion - Religion - DADT - etc.

Social Issues seem to be the ONLY agenda the GOP has!

nation-x 11-07-2011 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18543078)
Gay Marriage - Abortion - Religion - DADT - etc.

Social Issues seem to be the ONLY agenda the GOP has!

You forgot welfare for the wealthy in that list...

12clicks 11-07-2011 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18543078)
Gay Marriage - Abortion - Religion - DADT - etc.

Social Issues seem to be the ONLY agenda the GOP has!

Nonsense.:1orglaugh

Joshua G 11-07-2011 07:27 PM

forget newt. he talks like a wonk. great stuff when your a policy buff. when he has to appeal to peoples emotions, he's a hopeless fail. He's monotonic, incapable of conveying empathy. Maybe he wins the georgia primary. i doubt it.

Romney has this locked up. that consistent 25% shows he has stable & consistent support, which is crucial throughout the primary season, not just a couple early returns.

12clicks 11-07-2011 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 18543568)
forget newt. he talks like a wonk. great stuff when your a policy buff. when he has to appeal to peoples emotions, he's a hopeless fail. He's monotonic, incapable of conveying empathy. Maybe he wins the georgia primary. i doubt it.

Romney has this locked up. that consistent 25% shows he has stable & consistent support, which is crucial throughout the primary season, not just a couple early returns.

I think the current president was elected on emotions. We'll be looking for someone a little more knowledgable this time

raymor 11-07-2011 08:12 PM

I think Newt Gingrich would be better as a president than as a candidate.
Newt is by far the most knowledgeable in field. He lacks charisma and polished "slickness" of Robert and Perry.

Compare Obama, a great candidate who really got people excited, and a giant fail as president.

cykoe6 11-07-2011 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18542914)
taking off my conservative hat and looking at it as just a political junkie, I'd F-ing LOVE to see a handful of debates between Newt and Obama.

I certainly agree with that...... but I am concerned with whether Newt can actually win. Romney seems like the only safe play in the general election.

uno 11-07-2011 11:35 PM

I was hoping this was a poll.

Barring that, no. Mitt will win the nom. If you don't think so you are most likely delusional.


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