Why tubes will eventually FAIL
 

1. Bandwidth cost money. As more and more tube sites use provided content, the content providers will realize they aren't getting the bang for the buck and will pull embed content and the like. Even the tube sites that host their own videos will feel the pinch.

(this is where you add to this discussion...)

All i can say to this is : LOL

BW and hardware get cheaper by the day... and the more you use, the cheaper it gets, ie: the bigger they get, the more money they make, the cheaper it costs per user, while they spend more overall, the profit per visitor increases, thus they aren't going anywhere.

Truly, the costs are piss... if you're noticing the cost, you're doing it wrong.

What he said.

Anyone keeping track of rankings etc knows that tube sites are going from strength to strength. The big tubes command awesome amounts of traffic, it's still growing.

I certainly hope your not holding your breath for this to happen based on that reason... :pimp

Lmao!!!!

yup, you got it... absolutely correct, and anyone who tells you otherwise? tell em to gfy !

You didn't take your pills this mornin' huh ?:1orglaugh

The only way tubes will fail is when all of their advertisers have gone bust through no sales.

So let's think about it, with some intelligence and informed replies. Rather than the usual trolls coming in with nothing.

How many surfers does it take to get a sale?

How many videos do they watch on average?

What's the cost in hosting, servers, service if needed and BW, of a 5 minute, 10 minute and 20 minute clip?

If Tubes are suffering from the same shrinking market we all are. Then they will reach a point where the conversion on actual freeloaders to ad sales or buyers. Sends them under.

Will sponsors keep providing hosted videos if a sample clip costs $5 to host, $15 to the Tube site and the return is a sign up for a month. (Figures to illustrate the point.)

If the cost is 10 cents to get a sale, no problem.

We all saw RSS feeds for blogs go out of most sponsors window. ROI wasn't worth it.

Give us real figures, not smart ass replies.

1. Adobe is trying to implement p2p into flash video. Bandwidth costs for tubes will drop substancially while traffic remains the same.

http://www.hilaliya.com/noob_tn.jpg

Has anyone ever made a post where absolutely no one agrees with them?

.

I think Paul Markham and Alienq are tied for the record of those.

Many tubes are failing but it has nothing to do with bandwidth and everything to do with boredom.
The same videos, ads for dick pills and live cams, popups, popunders blah blah blah is boring the shit out of people.
John Q Surfer is getting tired and needs a new interface.

And that interface is whatever Porn 3.0 will look like.

I don't see tubes failing anytime soon :-)

bandwidth will not hurt tubes. bandwidth is cheap enough that with influx of traffic there will be no negative affects. More viewers mean more advertising.

Tubes are simply modern day TGPs... expect them to last until something else comes along.

I agreed with him... For lulz...

1992 called and wants their bandwidth costs back.

Can i ask you something guys: Which one pays better? the illegal porn tube or legal porn tube? :)

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

this :thumbsup:thumbsup

i agree. time to party like it's 1999.

Your questions assume the industry will drop to no sales, which it will never do. And your math is silly, a clip's cost is pennies. A program doing a 100 sales a day uses piss for bw, a few grand a month for 300k a month in income. BW costs are a joke.

Your questions are pointless because the fact is 3-5% of the tubes traffic, from a single source, will run you $30-50k a month (and upwards of $200k+) and when you have people now renewing for 6-7 figure contracts at a time, clearly people are making an extreme amount of money.

Very few sponsors ever produced a good feed and the ones that did, greatly benefited from it and still do today, $3-$5 extra cost per gallery is what feeds cost us, which was nothing over what was made from them even for us. API's are the next phase of feeds, which are working like a champ.

This isn't a knock... you know nothing about this because you've never done it, don't do it today, and never will. It's not possible for you to see it, when you're not actually in it. Again not a knock, just the way it is.

Bless your heart Paul. It's almost as if you believe that if you don't understand it, it just isn't happening.

Here's some facts for you guys.

1) Large tubes make the majority of their income on membership sales. Not dating and not cams.
2) Bandwidth cost is so small it's insignificant.
3) Sponsors, knowing the value of this traffic, fall all over themselves to get it. More than one large sponsor program has more than one full time employee dedicated to uploading content to tube partners.
4) The largest of tubes are making deep in to six figures every month.
5) Paul has no idea.

tubes fail :Oh crap

the first one , of course.

It's still cute that you girls call tubes "illegal tubes". Which tubes are illegal and why? Just curious.

From what I can tell the surfers are turning to each other like reddit and other places.

LuLz :1orglaugh

I think tubes will continue to do fine until a better interface replaces them.

i thought you could upload clips from your sponsor to your tube site.

I don't understand what you're saying here.

My point is that calling tubes illegal based on copyright law is a little like calling porn illegal based on prostitution laws.

Has a single large tube owner been found liable in any court to date? None that I'm aware of. The FBI isn't exactly breaking down datacenter doors to seize tube server farms.

We can all agree that CP is illegal. Try running a CP site. You'll go to jail. The same is not true for running a tube site. It doesn't matter if "everybody knows its not user uploads but site owners.". That kind of conclusion has no basis in legal fact.

I think what someo f you mean to say is immoral tube sites. Really a much better description.

i don't know if they will fail because of this but its very true. they all steal videos from each other so not only are the videos the same but the descriptions, titles, etc are all exactly the same.

why even argue about this shit. they won. start thinking about the next wave as this is the internet, no matter how big something is, it is only a couple years before a new revolution.

I think they will kill each other. The cost for some of the larger ones runs well into the 6 figures each month and that's with very, very low per unit delivery cost. Most, if not all use a CDN as they have to for their levels of traffic however, the cost of CDN has hit it's bottom at the large wholesale level and is more than likely going to adjust back up slightly.

When you had a few tubes out there, it was easy but now everyone is in the game and many are stealing content from each other.

Between law suits, competition and infrastructure cost, I don't foresee the same model we've been seeing as sustainable. What I do see as successful are the Tube/MGP morphs that are being created to drive traffic back to specific programs meaning that yes, Tubes as we know them, will see incremental declines in traffic per site while overall the market could see some significant attrition of sites but not from user popularity.