tubes will be damaged when ISPs start charging users for the bandwidth they download. Right now users can download all they can eat for one low price. When the broadband bill rockets to $500/month from all the video streaming, the users will become selective about what they download.

Those days are long gone, isp's continue to give surfers faster speeds all the while dropping prices.

Without figures it's all Blah, Blah.

I'm not disputing you. I'm saying no one has ever shown any figures.

Did you read this in my post?

I guess you went for the smart ass reply. :1orglaugh

They obviously make money, otherwise they would die off.

Do sponsors pay to get videos on them?

Will sites continue to buy ad space?

Will you talk sense and come up with a real reply?

Do you have a Tube and the figures or just guessing (proof required for the affirmative).

One thing we have all learned in the last few years is this business changes faster than we can predict.

Exactly, with emphasis on point 5.

You still don't get it. Nobody is going to show you anything. It doesn't matter what you believe is true there's nothing to be gained by any of the large tube owners disclosing their business on GFY. Especially to you who really has nothing at all to offer.

I don't own a tube. I make money selling paysite memberships on many tubes. I know first hand what the numbers are like. In addition, I've been an active affiliate for more than 10 years. I have many friends that once owned/ran TGP then MGP sites and now have tubes. I have seen their numbers first hand. With my own eyes. None of that changes if I don't proove it to you.

Frankly, it shows how out of touch you are with reality when that you're arguing based on your own beliefs, which you fully admit are nothing more than speculation and all the while discounting what people with actual first hand experience are telling you.

For example, Manwin's tubes make an enormous amount of money. They know the tube game but because they won't turn over their books to you for a Paul Markham audit you pretty much dismiss everything they have to say.

By all means continue on with the misguided belief that if you don't understand it, it just doesn't exist. It's funny to have you around as the laughing stock of GFY.

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i agree with people, tubes are just like 90's tgps, they are here to stay, and tubes are making shitload of cash.

Exactly, I've been trying to tell him that nobody is going to spoon feed him all this detailed information he continually requests. Its like he moved into a cave in 2006 and he's just popped his head out now and still thinks things revolve like the old TGP days. Maybe if he was the slightest bit humble about his lack of knowledge on how to generate and monetize today's traffic, he might get some answers he's looking for. However, his pompous doom and gloom know it all bs, just turns people off.

So you tell us it's true and therefore it's true.

I know people who submitted to Tubes and it wasn't worth their time. Good sites as well.

I'm sure they make money, but the question I'm asking is how much does it cost to the return?

You're not bright enough to see what I'm saying.

I remember when all the wise gurus were saying they only make a scraping and run by people in Russia who can live off little.

Now they are cash cows, well they are listening to you lot.

But all that traffic contains people who used to convert at 1-500. Surfers not banner clicks. Yes they get loads of traffic. If the ratio on spend per 10,000 visitors is getting worse, then the crunch will come.

Tubes didn't get going till 2000 and pretty much done by 2008. Yes there were a few around sooner, they killed themselves off by saturation. I think a few Tubes make a shit load of money. The rest like 90% of the TGPs make enough for a guy sitting at home working for a nice wage.

We saw it with TGPs. The big ones who started early did very well, some of those that followed soon after did nicely. But loads of them were run by one/two man bands and rarely got up the ladder.

The Hun could cost more on BW than joins, others you were lucky to see a hit. The Hun you had to be good and a little lucky to get on. Others would take anything you gave them.

Same with Tubes. Problem with too many online guys is they always think every TGP did well, like every Tube does well.

We shall see.

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Huh, what in the world are you talking about? Are you confusing MGPs with tubes? The proliferation of tubes didn't really get going till 2006 and they are still going strong, nothing is "done" as you put it.

:1orglaugh Typical Paul.

In reality Youtube launches early 2005, adult tubes begin to follow shortly afterwards.

In Paul land, Adult tubes pre-date youtube by 5 years and were done in 2008.

Well, you can contact a few of the major brokers and ask them what the rates are.... many will tell you without an nda, other sites require one. I also posted some numbers up above, which is the same thing you will hear from them, other than it does go cheaper as well of course. And yes, I have purchased traffic from them.

Yes, some tubes do sell video slots, yes some sponsors pay for them.

Yes, they will buy ad space because they have people that buy by the mass amounts daily.

If you follow technology, you'll be able to predict the direction porn goes in.

P2p means lol

Worked just fine for Chatroulette

Tubes will never go completely away. Creative people with figure how to add on the the tubes and make them more robust and applicable to todays people floating around on mobile devices.

What is Bandwidth ?

I avoided reading his posts for years on here because it was nothing but long winded drivel. Now that I've read a few of his posts lately I realize his version of the chronology of online adult is 90% erroneous. Because he failed at being able to generate and monetize traffic profitably he assumes everyone else has also.

Im sorry but half the posters in this thread have no clue.... well actually I am not sorry, thats just a fact... now moving on...

FACT:

Bandwidth costs are shit compared to how much money a tube site can bring in. Using your arguments, Google should be out of business because of the insane bandwidth they use up... but yeah... no... they are still in business because bandwidth costs are shit compared to the income of proper monetization of that traffic.

No but a whole boatload of honest webmasters have :(

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EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS.... no one who has been around since at least 1999 would dare make a statement like the one this guy did..... im embarrassed for him....

tubes taste nice

What is "Tubes" ? :winkwink:

this is awesome...

and if this is awesome...

then i am awesome...

and while tubes will forever be a part of the game like TGP...

tubes will fail...

I have tubes and they seem to NOT be failing but growing.

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Interesting topic.

porn tubes are out of this world