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BFT3K 06-18-2011 09:04 AM

The Economy In Under 3 Minutes
 


https://youtube.com/watch?v=6ebntch99QA

dyna mo 06-18-2011 09:08 AM

i like robert reich, he's a professor at my alma mater.

u-Bob 06-18-2011 09:17 AM

a couple of half-truths, a couple of things that are pure commonsense as bait, a couple of economic fallacies,.... mixed together into a video that could be used to justify just about anything.

Barry-xlovecam 06-18-2011 09:38 AM

Interesting he says it all started in 1980 ...

Sednub997 06-18-2011 09:40 AM

Ahh The Economy sucks right now.My stock are way dowm :(

seeandsee 06-18-2011 09:44 AM

truth is somewhere out there :)
there must be reason why some people live good, some poor, its fucked up totaly

GAMEFINEST 06-18-2011 09:46 AM

Why they dont tax the rich heavily
is beyond me

u-Bob 06-18-2011 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GAMEFINEST (Post 18224417)
Why they dont tax the rich heavily
is beyond me

Redistribution of wealth doesn't make anyone any wealthier.

iamtam 06-18-2011 09:49 AM

i don't need 3 minutes. i need 6 letters. fucked.

Joshua G 06-18-2011 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GAMEFINEST (Post 18224417)
Why they dont tax the rich heavily
is beyond me

easy. Lobbyist money is much more powerful than votes.

DaddyHalbucks 06-18-2011 11:10 AM

It's classic class warfare from a leftist --and from MoveOn.org, a leftist organization.

The real thing that has killed our economy over the last 50 years is the gargantuan number of government social programs which have turned producers into parasites and the world's best economy into an economic basket case.

12clicks 06-18-2011 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GAMEFINEST (Post 18224417)
Why they dont tax the rich heavily
is beyond me

Because taking hard earned money from the intelligent and able and spreading it around to the dumb and unable doesn't strengthen a society, it weakens it.

Vjo 06-18-2011 11:37 AM

Excellent summation of why the little (and middle) guy is hurting and thus, why the entire economy is hurting.

A catch 22. More money has been removed from the economy by the super rich. Thus, there is no money for the rest to borrow, grow ect and the economy will remain stagnant or sinking.

The super rich (top 1%) are now taking 20% of the total income vs 10% in 1980. The super rich (1%) now control 40% of total wealth.

Was unaware that 35% is the top tax rate now versus 1980 it was 70%.

DaddyHalbucks 06-18-2011 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vjo (Post 18224573)
Excellent summation of why the little (and middle) guy is hurting and thus, why the entire ecomomy is hurting. A catch 22. More money has been removed from the economy by the super rich.

The super rich (top 1%) are now taking 20% of the total income vs 10% in 1980. The super rich (1%) now control 40% of total wealth.

Was unaware that 35% is the top tax rate now versus 1980 it was 70%.

Yea, it's all the fault of the people who actually add value. It's all the fault of the people who own businesses and employ people.

Now back to our regular programming..

Gimme free health care
Gimme job security with seniority
Gimme stuff the private sector doesn't get
Guarantee my benefits
Guarantee my wages
Gimme cost of living increases
Gimme platinum pensions
Gimme welfare, social security, SSI, medicare, medicaid
Gimme unemployment extensions

GIMME
GIMME
GIMME!!!!!

Vjo 06-18-2011 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 18224583)
Yea, it's all the fault of the people who actually add value. It's all the fault of the people who own businesses and employee people.

Now back to our regular programming..

Gimme free health care
Gimme job security with seniority
Gimme stuff the private sector doesn't get
Guarantee my benefits
Guarantee my wages
Gimme cost of living increases
Gimme platinum pensions
Gimme welfare, social security, SSI, medicare, medicaid
Gimme unemployment extensions

GIMME
GIMME
GIMME!!!!!

Remember Reich was talking top 1%. I'm not going to research it but I doubt the top 1% employ the majority.

Maybe someday some poor guy (there are more and more) will stick a gun in your ribs and say Gimme. Do you want that kind of society.

Maybe your neighbor will not be able to afford to paint his house.

And a million other problems that are just beginning.

I am smart enough to see that a seperatist society of ultra rich and more and more super poor is not good for anyone.

DaddyHalbucks 06-18-2011 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vjo (Post 18224596)
Remember Reich was talking top 1%. I'm not going to research it but I doubt the top 1% employ the majority.

Maybe someday some poor guy (there are more and more) will stick a gun in your ribs and say Gimme. Do you want that kind of society.

Maybe your neighbor will not be able to afford to paint his house.

And a million other problems that are just beginning.

I am smart enough to see that a seperatist society of ultra rich and more and more super poor is not good for anyone.

Stop blaming somebody else. Stop coveting what is not yours.

tony286 06-18-2011 12:10 PM

The funny thing is without gov funding there would be no internet.

Vjo 06-18-2011 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 18224614)
Stop blaming somebody else. Stop coveting what is not yours.

They got it through (what should be illegal) lobbying. I blame the corrupt system who bent to their wishes and made them the money.

Dont hate the player, hate the game as it were.

I dont really give a fuck about dem/repub and all that bullshit.

We need a revolution. A complete change of our political system.

Vjo 06-18-2011 12:23 PM

Being super rich while your country goes to hell should be something that is despised.

Fuck the super rich. They got enough fucking money. Greedy bastards.

The hatred for the super rich is just beginning in the US.

dyna mo 06-18-2011 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 18224583)
Yea, it's all the fault of the people who actually add value. It's all the fault of the people who own businesses and employ people.

tons of middle class business owners with employees. flower shops, tailers, dry cleaners, good fine folks with a 2 car garage. small business adds immense value to the economy and small business owners are middle class folks.

qwe 06-18-2011 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18224572)
Because taking hard earned money from the intelligent and able and spreading it around to the dumb and unable doesn't strengthen a society, it weakens it.

+1... I see it too often, people always want something for nothing... ya let's tax people who add value to the economy and give that money to people making babies and leeching off welfare

Vjo 06-18-2011 12:44 PM

Our system and those who are part of it.. congress, house, president are a JOKE.

A fucking embarrassment.

Vot dem.. vote repub.. vote NEITHER. Vote for whichever third party comes closest to REVOLUTION.

There is NO diff between dem/repub. NONE.

Otherwise you are just one of their little stooges who blindly go to the polls and vote for who they gave you to vote for. And it all will continue to get worse.

Americans couldn't see that a guy named Osama (supposedly) caused 911 and then we elect a guy name Obama? WTF. I knew we were FUCKED when that happened.

The ONLY way he got in was BIG MONEY and media control.

Osama
Obama
Osama
Obama
Osama
Obama

And Bush was fucking as bad or worse.

dyna mo 06-18-2011 12:47 PM

How important are small businesses to the U.S. economy? (average S corp generated about $100,000 income on about $1.5 million in sales in the last year, sole proprietorships had revenues of $58,256 and net income of $11,696.)

Small firms:

Represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms.

Employ just over half of all private sector employees.

Pay 44 percent of total U.S. private payroll.

Have generated 64 percent of net new jobs over the past 15 years.

Create more than half of the nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP).

Hire 40 percent of high tech workers (such as scientists, engineers, and computer programmers).

Are 52 percent home-based and 2 percent franchises.

Made up 97.3 percent of all identified exporters and produced 30.2 percent of the known export value in FY 2007.

Produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms; these patents are twice as likely as large firm patents to be among the one percent most cited.

Sources (see the Office of Advocacy's Research and Statistics page):

U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Bureau of the Census and International Trade Admin.
Advocacy-funded research by Kathryn Kobe, 2007
CHI Research, 2003
U.S. Dept. of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics.

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12clicks 06-18-2011 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 18224622)
The funny thing is without gov funding there would be no internet.

Jut as in life, there are the Internet rich and Internet rabble

$5 submissions 06-18-2011 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18224369)
i like robert reich, he's a professor at my alma mater.

Right on, Scott. Go Bears!!!!

Vjo 06-18-2011 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 18224688)
How important are small businesses to the U.S. economy? (average S corp generated about $100,000 income on about $1.5 million in sales in the last year, sole proprietorships had revenues of $58,256 and net income of $11,696.)

Small firms:

Represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms.

Employ just over half of all private sector employees.

Pay 44 percent of total U.S. private payroll.

Have generated 64 percent of net new jobs over the past 15 years.

Create more than half of the nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP).

Hire 40 percent of high tech workers (such as scientists, engineers, and computer programmers).

Are 52 percent home-based and 2 percent franchises.

Made up 97.3 percent of all identified exporters and produced 30.2 percent of the known export value in FY 2007.

Produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms; these patents are twice as likely as large firm patents to be among the one percent most cited.

Sources (see the Office of Advocacy's Research and Statistics page):

U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Bureau of the Census and International Trade Admin.
Advocacy-funded research by Kathryn Kobe, 2007
CHI Research, 2003
U.S. Dept. of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Thank you. That is what I suspected.

Robert Reich is correct, The super rich (noone comes remotely close on this board) are bleeding the middle (and lower classes especially) DRY.

And if you think I am gonna sit around and get bled any further.. well it is time to speak out.

I have seldom talked politically on this board or anywhere.

But maybe it is time. I can feel the average American behind me.

If I was a younger man (like 30 years) maybe I would try to make a diff and actually run. I am good at relating to people. And I believe in what I say, uncorrupted by ANY money.

Now all I am is another blowhard on another chatboard somewhere.

But I will be voting third party as always.

12clicks 06-18-2011 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vjo (Post 18224653)
Being super rich while your country goes to hell should be something that is despised.

Fuck the super rich. They got enough fucking money. Greedy bastards.

The hatred for the super rich is just beginning in the US.

This is the problem with paying the rabble to breed instead of letting them die off.

Despise success?
Really?

12clicks 06-18-2011 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vjo (Post 18224714)
Thank you. That is what I suspected.

Robert Reich is correct, The super rich (noone comes remotely close on this board) are bleeding the middle (and lower classes especially) DRY.

And if you think I am gonna sit around and get bled any further.. well it is time to speak out.

I have seldom talked politically on this board or anywhere.

But maybe it is time. I can feel the average American behind me.

If I was a younger man (like 30 years) maybe I would try to make a diff and actually run. I am good at relating to people. And I believe in what I say, uncorrupted by ANY money.

Now all I am is another blowhard on another chatboard somewhere.

But I will be voting third party as always.

Agh, now it makes sense.
Looking back on a failed life and trying to lay blame anywhere except where it belongs.

IllTestYourGirls 06-18-2011 01:11 PM

Well the middle class is uber rich compared to 3rd world countries, should our middle class be stripped of their wealth and have it given to people living in huts? I have the best idea evah. We need to give everyone a million dollars! Then we will all be millionaires!

Educate yourself:


Vjo 06-18-2011 01:13 PM

Mind you I am not (and have never taking) welfare. I believe to get ahead you must pay your dues.

But all I ask, and never received, as an educated American is an even playing field.

I do ok. I worked hard and do ok. It isnt about me. It isnt about you. It is about our country as a whole.

My generation (and those that followed) and anyone born after about 1963 (just realized that, coincidence?) are playing in a world economy while our government makes deals to give the wealth of our country to MORE and MORE big corporations.

Mom and pop were fucked 30 years ago and today they are just about dead.

Fuck the system.

Triple fuck ALL big corporations.

If you are sucking at the tit of a big corp then fuck you too.

Vjo 06-18-2011 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18224718)
Agh, now it makes sense.
Looking back on a failed life and trying to lay blame anywhere except where it belongs.

Finally throw the first punch?

Ive been waiting for you, you melon headed, lame ass program owning, repub wanna be, shitstain.

Post my real name asshole. And I will get you banned.

YOU are the BIGGEST shitstain on this board.

Just wanted to let you know melon head.

Vjo 06-18-2011 01:17 PM

Why do you still promote 12 clicks cash?

What a fucken JOKE that prog is.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Vjo 06-18-2011 01:19 PM

I amy or may not be a failed wm. I think not.

But YOU are def a failed prog owner.

12 clicks cash is the acronym for SUPER FUCKING LAME in progs.

IllTestYourGirls 06-18-2011 01:20 PM

The government gave all the rich people the money! Quick give the government more power! what a fucking joke.

Vjo 06-18-2011 01:21 PM

Addd me to your enemies list melon head. Go lurk around more conventions like some kind of deushbag loser.

"Hi, I promote 12 clicks cash"

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

qwe 06-18-2011 01:29 PM

there's no such thing as even playing field, you create your own playing field... that's the difference, some people make it happen and some people ask for even field... society as a whole would not be able to function if everyone made same amount of money and was well educated....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vjo (Post 18224729)
Mind you I am not (and have never taking) welfare. I believe to get ahead you must pay your dues.

But all I ask, and never received, as an educated American is an even playing field.

I do ok. I worked hard and do ok. It isnt about me. It isnt about you. It is about our country as a whole.

My generation (and those that followed) and anyone born after about 1963 (just realized that, coincidence?) are playing in a world economy while our government makes deals to give the wealth of our country to MORE and MORE big corporations.

Mom and pop were fucked 30 years ago and today they are just about dead.

Fuck the system.

Triple fuck ALL big corporations.

If you are sucking at the tit of a big corp then fuck you too.


12clicks 06-18-2011 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vjo (Post 18224732)
Finally throw the first punch?

Ive been waiting for you, you melon headed, lame ass program owning, repub wanna be, shitstain.

Post my real name asshole. And I will get you banned.

YOU are the BIGGEST shitstain on this board.

Just wanted to let you know melon head.

Post your real name?

Shit, loser, I do not, nor do I have any interest in who you are.

Truth hurts though, eh loser?

"Boo hoo, evil rich people made me fail, boo hoo, evil corporations are holding me down"

Dude, the only thing holding you down is your lack of intelligence and ability, no matter what your mammy told you.

TheDoc 06-18-2011 01:34 PM

Great video... I think he should add a dot though.

Dot.. a huge amount of people think they are rich, because they've worked hard to gain a lot of dollars. When the reality is they're middle class compared to the actual rich, they have almost no 'real' value compared to the actual rich, and have no actual clue what the real benefits are because they aren't rich, at all, and never have been and all they're doing is repeating the agenda of the super rich, which only benefits the super rich.

Nobody posting on this forum, nobody in our Industry, is at this level, not even our ENTIRE Industry. Do any of you have political influences, with your or your companies money? Exactly....

You pay state taxes or sales taxes, they get tax money to move to that state and pay nothing on sales because that office is a different location. The State buys stocks from them by the tens of millions with your tax dollars, your stocks are sitting on a safe in a binder. The State hands them contracts and tax dollars to complete the projects. That CEO reinvests through campaign contributions.

And you think you're advocating for YOU to a make more money? Hahahaha...

DaddyHalbucks 06-18-2011 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 18224622)
The funny thing is without gov funding there would be no internet.

Setting communication standards and commercializing government/ tax payer funded research (DARPA) is good policy.

Fighting the occasional war is also a core government function.

Blowing trillions of dollars over half a century on wasteful and fraud riddled government social programs is neither good policy nor a core government function.


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