tubesites?? are they reallyillegal???
 

i see everyone here saying legal/illegal tube sites.

So my question is, if you make a tube site and let everyone and their mother upload content, how is that illegal??

Youtube does the same thing. As long as you make sure people click to agree they are 18+ before entering your website, how is the tube site illegal??

If the owner of the tube site makes a conscious effort to delete copyrighted/illegal videos, then whats the prob?

Youtube hosts lots of copyrighted video but i dont see the feds busting them down..

So someone please explain to me exactly how it is ILLEGAL to run a site that lets people upload any adult video.

By ILLEGAL i mean if you do it, the govt will arrest you and charge you with a crime. BTW im yet to see 1 person running an "illegal" tube site charged with anything.

So yeah,all you guys bitch and moan about it, but im still trying to find out whats illegal about megarotic or youporn or tube1 or redtube.. they arent getting shut down..

Just ask YouTube how much its costing them in lawyers fees to fight those Viacom lawsuits....

But hey.. it's just uploading... right?

viacom suing them doesnt make it an illegal crime punishable by imprisonment.

People throw out the word "illegal" left and right..

Illegal means that its against the rules of our govt and ull be punished.

Shit the top tube sites are HOSTED in USA and run by USA people..

yet nothing is happening.....

it's not , you just described what a webhost does.

the illegal part comes into play when they ignore dmca notices.

well lets say you open a tube site , and lets just say you paid 4 guys to constantly upload videos from lets say "disney", now lets say as fast as disney complains you just pay your friends to upload the movies faster than you get complaints, disney would have to hire 4 guys to complain faster than the guys uploading the videos, i think you can see where i am going with this and the problem with many of the large "tube" sites.

But i think the bigger issue with american based adult tube sites is "AGE OF MODELS" and not having proof of age. None of the major adult tube sites ask for anything other than your word. Wait till the cp'ers start using these sites to upload filth :( the shit will hit the fan for these guys legally i think american or not, everyone upstream will want to sever all ties.





i have yet to see anyone arrested for selling crack to the president , but i wouldnt suggest selling crack to the president :)



at least 2 of those are purported to ignore dmca warnings , this is a violation of the dmca that many many countries follow.

Ok so smokey you kinda supported my point.. BTW i love your posts on GFY..

SO technically if i open a tube site tomorrow, Let everyone confirm they are 18+ before entering, and promptly respond to dcma notices, Let everyone upload content, im not doing *anything* illegal

Correct? Im just trying to make sure that its technically not illegal to let people upload adut content to your website..

so can people stop throwing out the word illegal left and right, because even though some tube sites allow everyone to upload, as long as they respond to dcma, then they are LEGAL

Is this going to turn into a "I downloaded an entire movie from a paysite members area and uploaded it to a tube site and therefore it's not illegal" thread?

Because I think your missing the point of "illegal" here...

I suggest you just read title 17 - chapter 5 and title 18 chapter 113 - § 2319 to find out the legalities. When reading title 17 chapter 5 pay attention to section 506 before reading up on title 18.

That is not even bringing up title 18 § 2257 either.

eh yeah i guess im missing the point..

all im saying is,

if i open TUBE10000.com tomorrow, run it kinda pornhub(let ppl upload), but THEN i hire full time guys to respond to DCMA notices ASAP, and i delete stolen content, asap, will i be indicted for committing a crime?

if no, then what im doing is NOT illegal.

illegal doesnt mean punishable by imprisonment, either way DMCA is a LAW , people have been charged with it and it can get you sent to prison for violating it.

in the past dmca cases i have read about they usually investigate for at least a year before laying charges, most of the large tube sites especially adult ones are still pretty new.

Either way the 2 things aren't connected. If i break into your house and you sue me for breaking a window , it doesnt mean i wont be charged with break and enter , it just means you are suing me first.:winkwink:

I wish not to explain everything on a board for personal reasons. There still are laws that indeed you could or would be breaking depending on legal interpretations of the laws quoted above. Typically it would just result in legal fee's though as only the Government can decide to prosecute for the criminal penalties. Just hiding behind a DMCA loophole though will not provide legal insulation from civil actions.

well so as long as u respond to dcma like a robot, you are OK then?

Its easy though, if i had a LARGE tube site like pornhub, just hire tons of offshore staff to do dcma all day long.

ya i wont.. but i think adult companies are pussies, no offense.. they are talk and talk but yet tons of their stolen content are all over megarotic,pornhub,redtube, and they arent suing those companies

Most also do not bother to even file a copyright on their content so they started out handicapping themselves when or if they wished to file suit. So I also understand where you are coming from, however that is not true with all of us. Another example is Vivid is indeed suing pornotube.

well, most porn content sellers give you a license to use their content. With a tube site that you let anyone upload anything they want into you don't have that license and I would assume you won't be requiring your posters to give you proof that they have a license for that content. Also if the FBI were to show up at your door and want your 2257 docs for all the videos on the site what would you tell them? Somehow I don't think they would accept the "I'm just a host" excuse.

In the end the viacom suit will set a lot of standards one way or another. if Viacom wins it will pretty much make it clear that if you don't have permission, or license, or personally own content you can't put it on your site no matter who uploaded it. If Youtube wins then the DMCA safe harbor shelter will be a legit hiding place for sites like Youtube.

There are probably reasons for that, that if i told ya, i'd have to kill you... :Oh crap

oh and what he said.. ^^^^

if you delete everything that is copyright what would you be left with ? homemade pron ?

tgp clips ? that aint going to cut it with the competition, you would just be wasting your time/money :)

they wouldnt show up on my door in the first place as running a tube site isnt illegal... if i remember you guys agreed that it isnt illegal to allow people to host videos, as long as i respond to dcmas..

btw if u wanna be one step ahead you can make people click 18+ to enter site, plus make them click checkbox confirming they have legal right to content before uploading..

It wont save you but itll put u 100X ahead of the other tube sites, so ull get raided last.lol

Nah you delete things that ONLY the owner of content files a claim for.

I guarantee you out of the thousands of "illegal" clips on pornhub, probably only a handful of content owners have come forward..

Politicians around the world are getting ready to change the laws :2 cents:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Co...rade_Agreement

we will just have to see, im sure some of the large tube sites are pondering these questions right now, theres always gonna be more surfers than employees. what if 100 people start sharing cp videos on your site, so you hire 200 offshore employees , what if 10000 people start sharing them, you have to be prepared to not only offset that cost , but also to afford costly lawyers if the feds suddenly decide to make an example of you :)

It is illegal to take what belongs to someone else and profit from it without their permission.

That's all you need to know. Don't try and complicate things by coming up with your own scenarios and loopholes. Just remember the first sentence.

actually not in all cases :thumbsup

hehe well thats why u have a little button that says report illegal video.. make it so if X percent of people click it, itll automatically disable it pending review. Problem solved..

Even though your mind is made up and your just fishing for justifications, remember that someone in certain states can just outright sue you without even sending you a DMCA as they are not required to by law if they hit you from a different legal angle.

im not gonna start a tube site at all.
lol

was just wondering....

Im working on some other stuff now..

Paysites & some mainstream crap.. Ive seen tube site traffic first hand and unless u are getting Tons of it, its not very good quality at all..

Quality over quantity for me..

I rather make $100 per 1000 clicks, than make $100 per 10,000 clicks

do you think that would stand up in court then go for it, i can guarantee if you carried a trunk full of white powder across the border that looked to you to be cocaine but it hadnt been PROVEN to be cocaine and nobody had complained it was cocaine, that you would be spending time in prison. :)

Now lest say i told you i know 3 guys that have been doing it for years and they have never been busted, would you try it ? must be legal eh ? none of them have been arrested and they dont KNOW its cocaine they just have a pretty good idea it is.

p.s. if you get busted just say " i didnt put that cocaine in my trunk , an anonymous user uploaded it there ", if i had gotten an official complaint i would have removed the cocaine. yes i did see the coaine there but i couldnt possibly know it was illegal until i got a complaint " :1orglaugh

sweet now i just make a bot that reports every video as illegal and all your videos are belong to us , tube problem solved :1orglaugh

trust me this stuff has been tried heh ( really here on gfy ) . you either have to review every video and be responsible for it or spend lots of money keeping one step ahead of the rest of the world :)

i still think "illegal" tube sites will trump "legal ones'

surfers want 30min videos. they dont want 1.30min videos promoting sponsors..

its evident because the top tube sites are all illegal..

Show me one tube site that has only 1.30min videos? but is ranked top(3xx,xxx+) hits/day)

I'm not really talking about the videos. I'm talking about the 2257 docs for the videos. If you run a tube site and you live in the US it is your site. If they choose to do an inspection of your records they will come to you for those records. If you don't have them you will be in some pretty deep shit. When you explain to them that you are just a host, I'm sure they will nod nicely and agree with you as they hit you with dozens and dozens of 2257 violations and they will tell you to explain it to the judge.

So the question is, do you have the money to defend yourself if this happens and are you willing to take the chance that your "im just the host" argument will shield you from 2257 laws?

Of course a site that is offering 30 minute free movies will get more traffic. And they will attract millions of freeloaders who will do nothing but burn bandwidth and buy nothing.

As far as I am aware most if not all of the big tube sites are for sale. Why? Well, chances are they are not making much money money and they want to get out before they bottom out. You can't go on forever giving away hours and hours of content and expect the same old cam and dating ads to continue to produce for you. Eventually they will dry up and your business model of giving away the full all you can eat buffet in hopes of getting someone to buy a glass of pepsi will collapse.

Dude, you think too much.

http://www.pickthebrain.com/blog/wp-...008/05/doh.jpg

The 2257 law is a joke. How many people have been prosecuted for ONLY 2257 violations? Who did the FBI choose to visit and inspect, Tubes and TGP/FHG and small companies they might get some violations or big companies where the odds were they would get good record keeping? And when they found slip ups in the record keeping did they prosecute or give the company time to put it right?

Yes it's a joke.

Unless you have to spend time and money keeping everything.

It's a pity though and I wish 2257 was enforced more.

my god you're thick

Joke or not it is still the law and there is no way of knowing if or when they will start enforcing it again. If I were running a tube site it might make me nervous to know that I had hundreds, if not thousands of videos on my site that I had no 2257 documents for.

Right now there are court rulings and all kinds of things that are holding up real 2257 inspections and enforcements and if Obama wins in November there is a pretty good chance he will be like Clinton and not fuck with us or worry too much about enforcing the laws, but you never know. Things can change quickly. A couple of rulings against this industry and a last minute push by the Bush administration to hurt us so he can try to rally the christian conservative base around McCain and we could see some inspections again.

:2 cents:
Once someone has followed a link to a Cam or Dating site and joined a few many become a non earning surfer to a tube site. But he still wants his free porn from his Tube sites, the products are different. So maybe you are right and the balance will tip in that the surfers on the Tube sites will increasingly become a strain on the Tube site and not enough will be earning.

In truth only time will tell.

I wish you were right. It would do something to reduce the free porn. But it would need to be adopted by other countries as well. I host in the US, I have a US bank account, SSN, and yet the main office is in Brno. So the FBI have to visit us in Czech to inspect our records. Are we in violation of the 2257 laws? No we are not. Unless we get the wrong type size on the site. :1orglaugh

Go ahead and create your idea of a tubesite and see how long it will last ;)

Yep, I have always believed the tube site that gives away hours of free porn movies updated daily with more hours of free porn movies is a business model born to fail. There are very few actual porn sites you can advertise that will convert at a rate that is worth putting them up on the site so most of them go with dating and cam sites. Eventually their visitors will tire out of those things and those ads will stagnate and the sales on them will drop

Like you say only time will tell. I think tube sites will be around for a long time but I think the big ones with the 30 minute long movies will have to change up how they operate in order to stay profitable.

They use the DMCA laws often to avoid full on lawsuits