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Zorgman 08-13-2008 04:31 AM

Just for the recond.

If program owners find their content being used on a TEVS site that they didn't approve, please let me us. I will not stand for theft with the use of TEVS and illegal full length content.

Iv shut down 6 sites so far for doing so and im sure there is more. But I can't take action until owners of the content step up to the plate.

Barefootsies 08-13-2008 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 14599894)
eh yeah i guess im missing the point..

What part of, "profiting off content you do not own", is it that you do not understand?
:disgust

Barefootsies 08-13-2008 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 14599962)
i still think "illegal" tube sites will trump "legal ones'

So let me make sure I am following your logic here toots....

So because illegal tube sites are more popular than legal one's, that justifies content theft?

After Shock Media 08-13-2008 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorgman (Post 14600303)
Just for the recond.

If program owners find their content being used on a TEVS site that they didn't approve, please let me us. I will not stand for theft with the use of TEVS and illegal full length content.

Iv shut down 6 sites so far for doing so and im sure there is more. But I can't take action until owners of the content step up to the plate.

Do you maintain a list of all TEVS based URLS so us content owners could possibly quickly check the sites or must we also just randomly hunt down random urls and tube sites?

Klen 08-13-2008 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 14599953)
do you think that would stand up in court then go for it, i can guarantee if you carried a trunk full of white powder across the border that looked to you to be cocaine but it hadnt been PROVEN to be cocaine and nobody had complained it was cocaine, that you would be spending time in prison. :)

Now lest say i told you i know 3 guys that have been doing it for years and they have never been busted, would you try it ? must be legal eh ? none of them have been arrested and they dont KNOW its cocaine they just have a pretty good idea it is.

p.s. if you get busted just say " i didnt put that cocaine in my trunk , an anonymous user uploaded it there ", if i had gotten an official complaint i would have removed the cocaine. yes i did see the coaine there but i couldnt possibly know it was illegal until i got a complaint " :1orglaugh

Damn that sounds funny.But unfortunaly reality is cruel,one our captain has been conviceted to 14 years only beacuse someone puted heroin on his boat in damn Greece.And as captain you cant check every package on board,after all that is not captain job.

Klen 08-13-2008 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 14600507)
So let me make sure I am following your logic here toots....

So because illegal tube sites are more popular than legal one's, that justifies content theft?

Yeah that is also nophest stupid excuse,owner of xnxx network.I mean that is like you say hey everyvone want to rob banks so why send people to jail for it.

Klen 08-13-2008 02:28 PM

And also thing about "hey it's not my fault it's user upload fault"In mosts cases users dont upload it,it mostly upload by owner and then they blame it on surfers.Beacuse if realy users upload it,then why legal tube sites doesnt have a single movie longer then 2 minutes ?

Libertine 08-13-2008 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 14599928)
if you delete everything that is copyright what would you be left with ? homemade pron ?

tgp clips ? that aint going to cut it with the competition, you would just be wasting your time/money :)

Get 1000 twenty minute vids that are licensed for tube sites for $5500. There, you now have a good amount of legal content to compete with other tubes.

Zorgman 08-13-2008 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14602466)
Do you maintain a list of all TEVS based URLS so us content owners could possibly quickly check the sites or must we also just randomly hunt down random urls and tube sites?

Nope, currently we don't have a public list of TEVS sites. I have put it forward to about 50 webmasters and 90% of them prefered not to have their sites listed anywhere. Most clients purchase the "brand free" version so no link back.

After Shock Media 08-13-2008 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorgman (Post 14604241)
Nope, currently we don't have a public list of TEVS sites. I have put it forward to about 50 webmasters and 90% of them prefered not to have their sites listed anywhere. Most clients purchase the "brand free" version so no link back.

So you would like to help by saying you would kill licenses if they use illegal content, however the majority of the site owners would rather remain anonymous so that is what is best and even if we do happen to stumble upon a tube operator that is using stolen content most of your users use a brand free version anyways so good luck in reporting the offenders to you anyways.

So much for stepping up to the plate and all so you can take action

Paul Markham 08-13-2008 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14603003)
Get 1000 twenty minute vids that are licensed for tube sites for $5500. There, you now have a good amount of legal content to compete with other tubes.

Yes Tubes are buying content, that has to be worrying.

The illegal content angle will never kill Tube sites. Even if you could stop them from operating with illegal content they will remain. A lot will go and a few will stay. That few will buy content, sometimes from sponsors closing down, because the "free porn" traffic will move from the sites that disappear to the ones who stay. If you have the videos you can serve them to one surfer or 1 million.

Not that it will be possible to make it impossible to use pirated content. And I don't see this industry suing Tube sites on mass. :(

Prove me wrong.

The only way out of this mess is the profitability of Tube sites.

Libertine 08-14-2008 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 14605197)
Yes Tubes are buying content, that has to be worrying.

The illegal content angle will never kill Tube sites. Even if you could stop them from operating with illegal content they will remain. A lot will go and a few will stay. That few will buy content, sometimes from sponsors closing down, because the "free porn" traffic will move from the sites that disappear to the ones who stay. If you have the videos you can serve them to one surfer or 1 million.

Not that it will be possible to make it impossible to use pirated content. And I don't see this industry suing Tube sites on mass. :(

Prove me wrong.

The only way out of this mess is the profitability of Tube sites.

American and European ones will start using bought content as soon as user-submitted (stolen) content becomes too much of a hassle, or it becomes obvious that they are completely liable for its usage.

That's fairly likely to happen within the next two years or so.

New tube sites aiming for a large audience are best off just immediately going for a large amount of bought content. No hassles, and a few thousand full vids is more than enough to generate hundreds of thousands of bookmarkers.

The only way to mess with the profitability of tube sites, unfortunately, is to mess with their numbers. The only way I see that happening is through competition offering equal or greater amounts of free content.

Such competition will emerge, but it will affect other types of sites even more strongly than it will affect the tube sites themselves.

By the time profitability on tube sites really starts falling, gargantuan amounts of free content will pretty much be a requirement for getting new bookmarkers.

To summarize: free content won't go away. Tube sites are here to stay.

webmasterchecks 08-14-2008 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14606887)
To summarize: free content won't go away. Tube sites are here to stay.

unfortunately, i agree with you, its like a dam thats busted, like music industry was 7 years ago with their wares. all of the sudden, before you can look up, all your shits out there, or shit just as good, for free


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