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baddog 12-22-2006 05:17 PM
Why do people that are entering 10 step programs . . .
 
Why do people that are entering 10 step programs feel the need to bring others into the mix?

Look, I am real happy for you, but if you think your addiction had any bearing or influence on my life, you are giving yourself way too much credit.

Anyone else feel the same way?

mattz 12-22-2006 05:19 PM
isnt it the 12 steps buddy

After Shock Media 12-22-2006 05:19 PM
cause i think it is one of the damn steps.

all bullshhit regardless though and just a way to sneak mandatory religion into courts.

mattz 12-22-2006 05:19 PM
I've been threw the 12 step program many of times and I never once dragged someone into the meetings or tried to push the ideas of the 12 steps onto any of my buddies

mattz 12-22-2006 05:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 11575274)
cause i think it is one of the damn steps.

all bullshhit regardless though and just a way to sneak mandatory religion into courts.
the 12 step program as absolutely nothing to do with religion

mattz 12-22-2006 05:21 PM
oh and baddog...its the 12 step program not 10

madawgz 12-22-2006 05:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattz (Post 11575279)
the 12 step program as absolutely nothing to do with religion
you must give yourself over to a higher power, no?

baddog 12-22-2006 05:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattz (Post 11575272)
isnt it the 12 steps buddy
I think you are right . . . . maybe if they made it 10 steps they could avoid dragging me into it.

baddog 12-22-2006 05:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 11575274)
cause i think it is one of the damn steps.

all bullshhit regardless though and just a way to sneak mandatory religion into courts.
what does court have to do with it?

WiredGuy 12-22-2006 05:25 PM
Maybe they get a referral fee for signing friends up.
WG

After Shock Media 12-22-2006 05:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattz (Post 11575279)
the 12 step program as absolutely nothing to do with religion
1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol?that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Seems religion is in there to me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 11575305)
what does court have to do with it?
Know anyone that got sentanced for a DUI? Such programs are often required.

sltr 12-22-2006 05:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 11575344)
1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol?that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Seems religion is in there to me.


Know anyone that got sentanced for a DUI? Such programs are often required.
that's spirituality, not religion

baddog 12-22-2006 05:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 11575344)
1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol?that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Seems religion is in there to me.


Know anyone that got sentanced for a DUI? Such programs are often required.

yeah, I know, but I don't think the 12 step program was designed for courts

sltr 12-22-2006 05:36 PM
and any alcoholic/dopefiend just starting working the steps and is trying to bring others into the mix is not working the steps properly- period.
just tell them they will be back out on the street drinking soon if they keep it up and you will see them there.

oh and offer to buy them some liquor.

After Shock Media 12-22-2006 05:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sltr (Post 11575354)
that's spirituality, not religion
Split hairs as you like. Still boils down to you as a human are weak, find some invisable being in the sky, surrender everything to that being, let that being know it is in charge, ask that being to correct you, try to talk to that being, and of course recruit others.

mikesouth 12-22-2006 05:41 PM
I got an idea...why not stop laying it all off on God and take some fucking responsibility for your own life.

After Shock Media 12-22-2006 05:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 11575365)
yeah, I know, but I don't think the 12 step program was designed for courts
Was not saying it was designed for, just snuck in by the "powers that be".

After Shock Media 12-22-2006 05:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 11575390)
I got an idea...why not stop laying it all off on God and take some fucking responsibility for your own life.
Cause my three step program wont get public help.

1. Admit you have a drinking problem.
2. Quit drinking.
3. Apologize to those you hurt while drinking. *optional.

sltr 12-22-2006 05:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 11575387)
Split hairs as you like. Still boils down to you as a human are weak, find some invisable being in the sky, surrender everything to that being, let that being know it is in charge, ask that being to correct you, try to talk to that being, and of course recruit others.


finding spirituality in one's life is quite the opposite of weakness, although many people in life assume that and think they can exploit those who have spirituality in their lives and call them weak

mikesouth 12-22-2006 05:47 PM
Has it ever occured to any of these panty wastes that God hopefully has better things to do than manage ytheir fuck ups.

JFK 12-22-2006 05:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattz (Post 11575279)
the 12 step program as absolutely nothing to do with religion
is'nt that 12Clicks NEW program? :Graucho

mattz 12-22-2006 05:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by madawgz (Post 11575290)
you must give yourself over to a higher power, no?
the higher power can be anything, doesn't have to be God, your higher power could be your computer for example, or the trees or sun or anything you want it to be

mattz 12-22-2006 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 11575390)
I got an idea...why not stop laying it all off on God and take some fucking responsibility for your own life.
the 12 steps have nothing to do with God you fucking moran

mattz 12-22-2006 05:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JFK (Post 11575447)
is'nt that 12Clicks NEW program? :Graucho
the 12clicks new program doesn't work for anyone, I highly erge anyone not to try it and stick with the traditional 12 step program :)

mattz 12-22-2006 05:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 11575432)
Has it ever occured to any of these panty wastes that God hopefully has better things to do than manage ytheir fuck ups.
once again, the 12 step program has NOTHING to do with God

Grapesoda 12-22-2006 05:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 11575266)
Why do people that are entering 10 step programs feel the need to bring others into the mix?

Look, I am real happy for you, but if you think your addiction had any bearing or influence on my life, you are giving yourself way too much credit.

Anyone else feel the same way?
just don't drive drunk in my hood please :1orglaugh

baddog 12-22-2006 06:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattz (Post 11575477)
the 12 steps have nothing to do with God you fucking moran
oh the irony

mattz 12-22-2006 06:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 11575500)
oh the irony
haha sorry :)

mattz 12-22-2006 06:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 11575500)
oh the irony
It's just that A LOT of people won't even try the "12 step program" because they think that it requires someone to become all religious because of the "higher power" and "god as we understood him"

Really though, the 12 steps have no relation to god what so ever, I don't believe in god but I have still done the 12 steps before.

A higher power doesn't mean God. For some people yes, God is their higher power, but if you know anything about the 12 steps, your higher power is anything you want it to be really.

For example, my higher power is nature, all the trees, sky, sun stuff like that.

From my expieriece, most people that attend the 12 step meetings, don't have God as their higher power:2 cents:

mikesouth 12-22-2006 06:11 PM
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

Sounds like you are asking "God" to manage your problems to me....

Be a fucking man, admit your problem and open your eyes to the fact that YOU are the only one who can change it and when you are ready to you will...laying it all off on God is cowardly, irresponsible and retarded. Grow up and accept responsibility for your own life and stop blaming your stupidity on God or asking her to fix it.

sltr 12-22-2006 06:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mattz (Post 11575521)
It's just that A LOT of people won't even try the "12 step program" because they think that it requires someone to become all religious because of the "higher power" and "god as we understood him"

Really though, the 12 steps have no relation to god what so ever, I don't believe in god but I have still done the 12 steps before.

A higher power doesn't mean God. For some people yes, God is their higher power, but if you know anything about the 12 steps, your higher power is anything you want it to be really.

For example, my higher power is nature, all the trees, sky, sun stuff like that.

From my expieriece, most people that attend the 12 step meetings, don't have God as their higher power:2 cents:
that has been my experience as well, i believe *maybe* less than 10% of those attending meetings actually work the steps

DaddyHalbucks 12-22-2006 06:22 PM
The fact of the matter is that the 12 step program works.

Peaches 12-22-2006 06:26 PM
If it works for someone and gets them healthy, who really gives a shit how it's done?

I have a 12 step program to lose weight. I'm supposed to walk 12 steps down and 12 steps back up my mountain every day. Haven't started yet, but when I do, I'm going to harass Baddog about it ;)

Grapesoda 12-22-2006 06:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 11575533)
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

Sounds like you are asking "God" to manage your problems to me....

Be a fucking man, admit your problem and open your eyes to the fact that YOU are the only one who can change it and when you are ready to you will...laying it all off on God is cowardly, irresponsible and retarded. Grow up and accept responsibility for your own life and stop blaming your stupidity on God or asking her to fix it.
interesting . . my take was to 'allow' g_d to fix things . . but I'm fucked up that way :)

Peaches 12-22-2006 06:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 11575533)
stop blaming your stupidity on God or asking her to fix it.
And this is just one of the reasons I love Mike :)

Rochard 12-22-2006 06:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by baddog (Post 11575266)
Why do people that are entering 10 step programs feel the need to bring others into the mix?

Look, I am real happy for you, but if you think your addiction had any bearing or influence on my life, you are giving yourself way too much credit.

Anyone else feel the same way?
Did Donnie just call you too?

baddog 12-22-2006 06:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 11575595)
If it works for someone and gets them healthy, who really gives a shit how it's done?

I have a 12 step program to lose weight. I'm supposed to walk 12 steps down and 12 steps back up my mountain every day. Haven't started yet, but when I do, I'm going to harass Baddog about it ;)
Just don't ICQ me apologizing for the weight gain and we will be fine.

mikesouth 12-22-2006 06:42 PM
Thanks peaches...I love You to

and for the record the 12 step programs have an identical success rate as the people who go cold turkey and decide to help themselves...imagine that.

Like I said if you want to fix it you will.

sltr 12-22-2006 06:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 11575639)
Thanks peaches...I love You to

and for the record the 12 step programs have an identical success rate as the people who go cold turkey and decide to help themselves...imagine that.

Like I said if you want to fix it you will.
there is absolutely no way to verify that comment

baddog 12-22-2006 06:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sltr (Post 11575666)
there is absolutely no way to verify that comment
which makes it difficult to refute


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