US attack on iran... consequences...
 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12114512/


That scares the shit out of me.



:Oh crap

Iran is already supporting terrorist groups like Hezbollah and attacks within Iraq... so if that scares the shit out of you, wake up turn on your telly...

The USA could use a reality check right about now. America is swinging its big cock around just a tad too much where it is not wanted.

so true:Oh crap

Hezbollah are not exactly known for "international terrorism" - they got their own issues and up to this point, don't give a fuck about the US or any other country. Only the US would use that pathetic excuse as a "reason for concern".

Meantime:

"U.S. officials would not discuss what evidence they have indicating Iran would undertake terrorist action, but the matter "is consuming a lot of time" throughout the U.S. intelligence apparatus, one senior official said."

Presumably there is, once again, no evidence - so it's hard to discuss it. :1orglaugh

Chances are Hezbollah has a better intelligence serice anyways - it sure as hell can't be worse than US intell.

Little doubt the instigator of more shit will not be Hezbollah, but the current US admin.

Sure wish to fuck the US would stay out of every other countries faces and stick to farming chickens in Kentucky - maybe then "the world will be a safer place" :)

Ya I know what you mean... we have this strange belief that we've actually won a war before, not sure where it comes from, but I think we have a losing record.

The positive side of fighting a war someplace else than your own soil is that you can retreat when shit turns sour. :)

My concern is that the oil price would skyrocket, as for state terrorism being increased after punitive strikes, the French solution, of "nuke the bastards" could be efficient ...

You can also censor the media so the people back home never see what's really going on.

The USA is now in a very bad position. We're strapped for cash and basically can't continue paying our bills without borrowing at least 20% of our income and most of that is going to pay the interest on money that we've already borrowed.

Most of the world hates us because we took over Iraq for oil and have been torturing them.

Iran may be posing a serious threat and we don't have the money and it may be difficult to get the support to actually stop them. If we do go in it will be under funded and end up creating even more hatred towards the USA.

Breeding generations of hatred is what causes terrorism but for some reason we think it's fighting it.

Can't wake up every day worrying about shit like this or you'll live a life in constant fear of terror. Its not in your control. Stuff happens all the time and you just have to pray and hope you're not in the wrong place at the wrong time when it goes down.

Earth is a violent planet. The powers that be profit from and keep control of it by staying violent, so nothing is going to change that anytime soon. It is a jungle and will always be.

There are too many diverse cultures and governments that won't give an inch and can't stand each other. We say Fuck Iran. They say Fuck USA. Everybody just says Fuck You to each other. That's the reality.

Fortunately, the combined allied countries in the more civilized and democratic world have the most powerful destructive military and technology resources on the planet so the Iranian cockroaches can blab all the threats they want. At the end of the day when push comes to shove their whole country can be decimated at the push of a button. We know that and they know that. And as long as that power is intact, it'll be ok in the long run. They can break our legs with their terrorist shit, but our baseball bat can vaporize their asses.

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lol well thats ok then KRL as long as we can avenge a small nuclear attack by turning Iran into the worlds biggest pane of glass with a few ICBMs no problem!

In all likelihood if the US was to use military force it would be a tactical strike aimed at shutting down their nuclear capabilities the same way the Israeli's did to the Iraqi's years ago. That is if Israel doesnt just go ahead and beat them to it. I sincerely hope that even Bush would not be so stupid as to consider an all out invasion and "regime change". That really would be a new vietnam.

i dont like that at all...

Its already been authorized and set to go. :1orglaugh

So what you would rather Iran just continue to build their nuke program.. Then what? Iran is already supporting terrorist activity in Iraq and their leader has the same mentality as the typical terrorist.

So do we just wait until they blow a nuke in Israel, the US or some European country? Then I bet everyone would bitch, why didn't the US attack their nuclear program.

I in no way support the Iraq war or Bush, however I do think that now that we have fucked up Iraq we need to fix it, so I don't support pulling our troops out.

Now back on Iran which is a totally different story from Iraq, I've personally always felt that we should have taken out Iran over Iraq. The simple fact is, if you guys are scared that Iran may do terrorist attacks as retaliation, what makes you feel any safer if we let them get nukes?

Iran with nukes is something this world doesn't need. Unfortunately Bush has used up our military and world support on false pretenses and now we can't use it where it's needed in Iran.

They can't effectively hate the USA in that part of the world any more than they already do.

However if any of them get the bomb they will have a very effective way to act on that hatred.

Everything the Mullahs believe in screams out to them that they must have the ultimate weapon....and they must use it against that which they know to be "The Great Satan".

Make no mistake about it, if Iran gets the bomb they will use it.

WTF are you talking about lol, we have won MANY wars. Unless you are from France and you are talking about that country.

You people are naive if you think we can allow Iran to have nuclear weapons, Ill take a few suicide bombers over Iran nuking every interest we have in the middle east. Seriously whether you hate the Bush admin or even your own country dont get confused that Iran actually gives a fuck about you heh.

Let Israel handle it.

List please ( should be easy ) ...

The American Revolution
The War of 1812
Mexican-American War
The Civil War(Republicans won this one but Im sure you want to discount it)
The Spanish-American War
World War I
World War II
The Korean War(The UN made America stop this war but we were winning pushing past the 38th parallel into communist territory)
Desert Storm(Iraq surrendered)
Enduring Freedom(Afghanistan)

• American Revelotion (1775)
• War of 1812
• Mexican American War
• Spanish American War
• WWI
• WWII
• Korean War
• Desert Storm - Our last war in the 20th century

If you call Vietnam a loss, that's a record of 8-1. Good enough to get into the tournament???

The Russians won WWII.

Technically the Red Army defeated Nazi Germany. Eisenhower halted the Western allies and allowed Zhukov and Konev to commit the Coup de Gras by taking Berlin.

Well it was a joint war in Europe being we were a big part of wining it. However we were the ones that actually finished up the war in the Pacific with the defeat of Japan.

Desert Storm was also a joint venture, wasn't just a US victory, but we did lead it and put the most troops and equipment on the ground and in the air.

Also let's not for get Vietnam was a French failure before we ever took it over. We actually won all the battles but lost the war, because our country wouldn't let the military win it. Probably much the same that will happen in Iraq.

I didn't count the Civil war, since it was in our own borders.

From that Washington POst article:
"There is also a growing consensus that Iran's agents would target civilians in the United States, Europe and elsewhere, they said."

The dumbest thing that Iranians could do would be attack inside the USA, because that is just the sort of thing that makes US citizens unite in their cause. Right now everything occurs in some far off land called "the middle east" where we only have to see a few news stories at 6pm. If the threat gets to close to our front doors, I'm sure the terms "Democrat" and "Republican" will take a back seat to "American".* We can accomplish a lot when we are divided, but when we unite in the US we do have the ability to kick tail.

*The use of the term "American" to represent residents of the United States of America is not meant to diminish the fact that Canadians to the north and all those to the south of the U.S.A. are not also American.

Forget bombers etc, imagine the chaos and panic that a few snipers could cause. Remember the washington sniper? A few cells of random shooters around the world could cause absolute mayhem.

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Originally Posted by bellskids Forget bombers etc, imagine the chaos and panic that a few snipers could cause. Remember the washington sniper? A few cells of random shooters around the world could cause absolute mayhem.

Exactly. Anyone clinging to the idea that traditional warfare is what you have to defend against is an idiot.

2hp

Haha you are more worried about a couple of snipers or suicide bombers than you are of a nuclear bomb? If you dont think for a minute Iran wont use that weapon you sir are the idiot lol. Its like having America being controlled by Pat Robertson and other far right religious elements, very very dangerous. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Point well taken regarding breaking the will in Japan with air superiority that was significant. My rationale regarding who won is by who contributed the most AND came out on top. For instance, the Americans lost 300,000 in WWII. The British lost 600,000. The Russians lost 17-20 million and took down the Nazi's.

I dont discount the Russian vast importance to World War II at all, they did a tremendous world saving job there, I am just pointing out that America was a significant war time power that changed the tide of the war on many occasions.

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Originally Posted by Splum Haha you are more worried about a couple of snipers or suicide bombers than you are of a nuclear bomb? If you dont think for a minute Iran wont use that weapon you sir are the idiot lol. Its like having America being controlled by Pat Robertson and other far right religious elements, very very dangerous. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I am looking at cause and effect. Consider the effects of the 9/11 attack on this country. They could not have done that with a nuclear bomb. We must assume they had the option to use one. This is not about simple destruction (which would be a function of megatonnage), but about achieving specific effects on a society. Of course, you're right though, except I think if there is a nuclear weapon used in the next few years, it will probably be the US that uses it. Pat Robertson would approve, I'm sure - :)

2hp

Splum... don't be so damned arrogant and make claims of the US "winning" both World Wars. The operative words are "world wars" and many nations were involved. The US contributed much - tho so did 30+ other nations.

Have a close hard look at the "wars" with Latin America. The then US govt decided to invade Latin American countries - not just Mexico, but the invading forces were repelled. There is little good to be said of this - it was the same land, power and cheap labor grabbing which exists today with oil. It is also noteable that most of the countries where the US attempted to invade, never showed any aggression towards the US. The Spanish word "gringo" is applied to US forces/citizens till this day in reference to the times of the US bullying - they still remember it well in their history books.

Na.. Better not include fighting between each other (Civil War) - it then gets more embarassing and damned sad.

Heh, I love how you worded that. :thumbsup

Dude its not ME being arrogant those are HISTORICAL FACTS buddy. Are yu saying the invasion of Normandy by MOSTLY American forces did not turn the tide of the war to the allies side in Europe? Are you saying that dropping two nukes on Japan did not put an end to World War II? If so then maybe you should consult some historians.

I'm starting to think the guys running Iran are losing their marbles completely.

From a military standpoint they are making major blunders already.

WTF are they thinking showing off this new torpedo they claim is the fastest ever at 230MPH and no naval boat or sub can outmaneuver it. If you have a device with that much offensive power, the last thing you want to do is tell everyone about it.

That's as stupid as it gets, to show the other side your cards. :1orglaugh

Get your point Splum, but also know that the US did not "win" two World Wars - that's just too absurd and sure as hell is not in any history book anywhere, tho Hollywood may suggest this :)

Other nations were already fighting WW2 on several fronts before the US was even involved. BTW.. I'm not decrying or deriding US involvement in either world wars - the US played an important role along with many other nations and where several of those other nations paid a far higher price.

You are clearly joking, right?

Anohter fucking idiot.

Go back to History Class moron.

France has won more wars than the U.S has been in.

European nations were just on the brink of pushing back the Nazi war machine. I mean, to this day the French celebrate the "French liberation of Paris". :1orglaugh

What scares me is you believe everything you see on your telly.