If there is a gOD, would he (it, her) punish you if
 

You are ignorant in the first place?

For instance, take a child who was raised with no true knowledge of religion - or only has knowledge of a twisted form of religion not entirely faithful to the bible ( though has no awareness or true interpretation of the Bible's specific laws ).

Would this child be damned?

How does gOD deal with ignorance? Punish our ancestors? Punish the ignorant?

This has tugged at my mind for a long time; what do you think?

Revalations say all poeple are removed from hell and judged on thier actions in the book of life.... but What I don't get is If they ask for forgiveness will they recieve it???

Will I goto the lake of fire for using the lords name in vein alongside the serial killers??? Could a serial killer be absolved???


Its all a big story man....... a big story.
NO ONE KNOWS GOD.
NO BOOK IS GOD.
GOD IS LOVE.

Fuck the bible.

I believe God is the energy of light and love in the Universe. Our souls are all of a part of and connected to this universal life force.
Therefore God is within each of us and in whole we are God.

We create our own heaven and our own hell by our soul's own actions.

We induce our physical bodies to die when we have completed each soul life cycle of learning and then either reincarnate into another physical being on this earthly type plane for additional learning or continue on to higher energy planes and dimensions.

Like water seeking its own level, the soul operates in the same essence, automatically sensing where it should go next.

Most people's souls are not advanced enough yet to grasp and comprehend much of this however.

You are assuming there is a God.

proven fact charly, get informed

God is a proven fact? I'd like to see this "proof"

God is Brazilian

You are right, I just looked in the mirror and could see the evidence. :1orglaugh

Depends on your philosophy.
empirical - look around
rational - use logic
scientific - research it
other - prove it wrong

There are handfuls of mathematicians who have proven it. Most of the essays make for good reads.

A mathematician proving god exists, show me one please.

Lazy, aren't you.

:1orglaugh

for this sort of BS sure.

Look Around
Use Logic
Reasearch It
Prove it Wrong....

None of that is proof. If You're gonna say there's proof, then post some proof.

I've been through Catholic Schools, Read the Bible, Studied Satanism, Researched Various Philosophies, and have yet to find any proof whatsoever of either a God or a Devil. Never had a prayer answered, nor been punished for a sin.

Look, I was just saying, they are good reads. Obviously you are trying to have me defend a rather indefensible position, I don't have the time or patience. If you can read above a 9th grade level, there are thousands of resources you can check out.

How can proven fact be an indefensible position? If There's proof, give us some proof. You're the one who said it was a proven fact.

It's not a lack of evidence that makes it indefensible, it is the fact that no matter how much Fuckin Bill or invertiga hears, they won't say "Shit my bad you're right."

Good read's maybe, but you aren't showing me any of it. You tried to attack me with being lazy, typing mathematician god into google ain't going to help me see your point.

Do you have "Proof" that what you see is real...
Do you have "Proof" that the reality you percive is what others percive?
Do you have "proof" that "proof" is really "proof"?
Do you have "proof" that you are alive?

There is no such thing as real.

How do you know what you know as green is green.
Your green might be somone elses red but becasue they have alwasy known red as green no descrepancy is seen.
Reality is subjective.

the question is:

If there is a god, does he own the rights to jesus.com and god.com ?

I'm not going to jump out and say that, but i was raised in a household where religion was not forced onto me, i was given the chance to choose and i'm very undecided on the whole matter. You could give us something to work with mate, other peoples persepctives on religion are really interesting to me as i really don't hold any bias's on the matter, i like to look at them from my neutral perspectice, show us what your talking about dude.

I'm not trying to start an arguement. I'm genuinely interested. And if you show me, or point me to, something that proves to me beyond any doubt that "God" does indeed exist, I will say "Shit, my bad, you're right."

But I want PROOF. Not some story from a 2000 year old book that's been translated and rewritten by 1000 different people. And not theories concocted in the minds of "believers". I want tangible evidence. Not just stories where people can't explain something so they pin it on "God".

thats what the greeks did. they couldnt explain how the sun rose and fell so they figured their must be a sun god, and the called him Helios.

Well hmm...That was lame. Beliefs so strong that you just walk away when they are even slightly challenged. Something to be proud of.

Yes :winkwink:

Fuck that shit. I want to keep my identity on earth. Unfortunately, I will vanish from existence and become energy. Ye. Not.

this board is going down the toilet


you need a hobby

-- > Pogan 4 Life < --

You die and it`s fucking end man. TRue.
So better Enjoy you life now if you can.

This thread spun waaaaay off course.

nothing to add :thumbsup

only one thing about religion - notice that each religion has alot of similarities. Even in egypt there are 3 pyramides not ruined still - Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.

Main idea of religion is that people needed a belief which could help them living, and people got the belief in several religions we have now "on the market" =)

this theme may take ages for discussions, but the truth and the system itself will remain the same. our understanding differs only.

:2 cents:

I'm asking myself, would he (she, it) punish me\her\our Children for falling in Love with my Cousin I wonder.

My understanding of the system tells me that we all can love just anybody.

In Greece there was a belief that each soul were broken in 2 parts and placed in 2 different bodies - 2 men, 2 wemen. And each should find his half during his/her life cycle. So, there is no wonder that some people loves same sex.

Just wondering what harm may it bring to Children, borned with parents of one blood? Is there anybody DNA gurus here? :helpme

well, i think christians are fine, and if they're down and cool w/ christianity, that's fine.

However, I've got a major problem with christianity, and i've never had a suitable answer. The problem is two fold

a] Christianity, indeed, modern religion was fostered, indeed 'imperitive' during the medieval times. If you weren't christian, you were dead. Now, the tithes and money making aside, let's break it down.

the systems in power were exceedinly hierachal monarchies, such that the church and the kingdom were undiscernable. The reason? Peasants had a shit life. Kingdoms needed peasants for food and fighting. So why not tell them that if they're good little people and slave away for the kingdom, and die of the plauge, after their shit life, they'll have a nice eternity. If they dont work for the kingdom, they're fucked. Great way to control the masses.

b] Modern christianity wasn;'t founded on christ. Take the lutheran sect for example. It was founded when a priest decided he didn't like the system, so made his own spin off; or, the ultimate fuckoff, the Anglican Church. King Henry the VIIIth couldn't get his marriage annulled, so in order to get a divorce, he makes his own fucking church, where he can marry / divoirce as many times as he wants and still go to heaven.

Finally, the fact that christians condemn ANYONE who is not christian, be they buddist, tao, whatever - plain, good people who live their lives in the present for good and treat others well.

how egotistical is it to assume that a religion based on greed and lust is the right one.

pfft.

Well said, you are very enlightened and in tune. :thumbsup

prove to me that you exist.

you cant.

"..We were the ones who made all life on earth"
"you mistook us for gods"
"we now reveal to you the secret behind the main religions"
"and how to realise your potential and achieve global peace"
- Yahweh


More advanced human beings (aka "aliens") made us.

I think you all are just a figment of my imagination.

Assuming God exist.. which I do... the question - how would God punish or reward someone who had no knowledge of his/her existance.. wasn't raised with religion, never exposed to religion... here is my take on it..

I think we individually are the only ones who can truly pass judgement on ourselves. So if your a mental midget and you don't know the difference between right and wrong, you can't be held responsible for your actions in your own eyes.. thus God wouldn't punish you for your wrong doings. If you knew what was right and what was wrong and you killed someone and later felt that what you did was wrong.. you have passed judgement on your actions and God would pass the same judgement on you. If you felt that what you had done was the right thing to do then again you have passed judgement on yourself and God will pass the same judgement on you.

I think that we each make our own bed and however we feel out our life is how God would feel about it. I like to think that if God exist that he/she is reasonable and would only hold things against me that we hold against ourselves.

Geeezzz look at me.. I'm living up to my freaking nick getting into this conversation. haha

Exactly What he said - :winkwink:

jDoG