Very Good YNOT article on why TGP Gallery Builders' days are numbered:
 

Those of you that don't have your own paysites might want to get one going soon:

http://ynotnews.ynotmasters.com/issu...803/page3.html

True stuff!

that article is retarded.

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I agree. That guy definitly doesnt know what he's talking about. Probally a pennyless journalist who has tried it and didnt get it to work for him. Why is it always the NONOS who think they can write about something.

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EXACTLY what I was thinking, Goes back to that saying, talking about how people who dont know how to do something right, they might as well teach it instead of practising what they preach.

This guy is totally clueless, I hope someone emails him this thread, might be the taste of reality he needs.

Uhh... yeh, sure.

Instead of calling him a retard, point out how and where he is wrong.

Are more tgps not moving towards the sponsor hosted model?

Good riddance slapdicks, your days are numbered.

Why would someone list your bangbus gallery when they can just list their own?

indeed..

If a gallery submitter is dumb enough to submit hosted galleries to other tgp's besides there own (assuming they have one) then they should not be in this business. Hosted galleries are for Site owners not Tgp submitters in my opinion.

I've noticed alot of big sites posting all sponsor listed galleries and if you watch the sextracker ranks in the last 6 months these guys have seen a huge decrease in traffic, mainly due to there own lazyness. Sponsor hosted galleries are the things killing the industry, not the submitters. Submitters make original galleries, not the same hosted shit that the surfer will see on 1000 sites.

Original Submissions are the way to go!

Well, I reviewed 1000s of hosted galleries by myself. If you want to know what would be the best word to describe them - here it is: boring. The same stuff, the same templates, the same marketing ideas... you see one gallery and you know how the other 100 looks like. Yeah, keep listing them, while others take advantage of catering 100s of new ideas/templates to their beloved free-loaders :)


J.

I think it is the fault of the sponsors for not having a larger pool of hosted galleries.

I see them poppin up more every day. Pretty soon there will be more than a handful of sponsors with very large pools of hosted galleries.

Imagine having 20+ good sponsors with gigantic gallery pools. Enough variation to keep your average masturbating surfer coming back. And it helps thin the newb herd.

Make gallery making unprofitable and send the newbs packing.

What kinda retard would submit a sponsor hosted gallery to a tgp?

I wonder if that's actually true...?

I was under the impression that most hosted galleries converted like shit.

There are advantages of using FHG, IMO they're good to fill up the listing i.e. in thumb-preview TGPs. But for small TGPs there might be a problem to check 10s of sponsors on regular basis.


J.

Are sponsors going to hire a fulltime staff to crank out galleries
every day or will they just rotate the same 10 galleries?

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That would be correct. But that's because most ARE shit.

Good hosted galleries consistently convert well. No, I'm not telling you which ones are good. ;>

Wouldnt that make sense?

Fulltime staff? You make it sound difficult to make galleries.

Designers are cheap, and finding a monkey to hit the button to make the gallery is even cheaper.

You fuckers are dooooomed.

I'd say his claims are a bit strong.. some TGP owners make their own galleries to list on their TGPs.. it makes sense and doesn't take a business or marketing degree to figure out.

Likewise, there are some really good (good in two ways.. high quality and high production) gallery makers out there.. who crank out 50, 100, or more a day... get rid of them and what do you have? TGP owners making 10/day for their own sites, every site having more or less completely exclusive content. Maybe that's enough, I'm sure most guys can get off looking at 5 or 6 galleries. So, cut out this so-called "middle man." Wait, a gallery maker is a middle man?

Well, this goes strongly against the basic economic model which says that in a community where fiat money is present (fiat money being tender issued by the govt. allowing fast transactions with set value as opposed to barter), there is a tendency towards _specialization_. That is to say that there is a guy who fixes shoes, another who raises pigs and another who does the plumbing. Why do people hire someone to do these specialized tasks? Because they are experts and they do it faster and better.

Look at it that way, the gallery maker is no middle man, they are a specialized worker who does a job for the TGP owner and gets compensated accordingly. They do it because the TGP owner chooses not to do it themselves.. lo and behold, this has been the case for years, more often than not. There is nothing stopping TGP owners from making their own galleries, they just have, the record shows, chosen not to, or at least to only make a couple and place them strategically around their TGP.

So.. the real question is, are more TGP owners moving to making their own galleries? Yes, I think so.. does that mean gallery makers will be out of business in 2 years? I highly doubt it. Will the standards gallery makers are required to meet go up over the next two years? Almost certainly.

You have to admit if I send 3k hits to a gallery and it converts like shit but it is my shit. Sort of beats me sending 3k hits to your fucking super converting gallery right?

There will probably be TGPs to submit galleries to and get free traffic from for years to come. But I think there will be a lot less free traffic to go around than there is today...there is already less now than there was a year ago.

I've been running hosted galleries for a couple months now. They've been converting at an overall average of 1:450.

Right. Why do you have to think all sponsor hosted galleries are designed by some hotshot designer knows how to design but not how to convert? How about the sponsor hosted galleries that are built by the TGP industry's finest? Those hosted galleries definitely convert better than you know :)

take a look at some of the bigger TGPs, there is a trend, they're after guys like Donovan who can consistently provide them with exclusive content galleries. I see them hosting the galleries as well. Makes sense to me, find a dozen guys who have their own paysites who can provide galleries with exclusive content on a consistent basis. No need to spend money reviewing submissions, no more cocksuckers changing pages, the galleries will be better quality than hosted galleries, plus the TGP owner gets at least a 50/50 cut on any revenue derived from galleries.
Sounds like a much more profitable way to run a TGP.
Basically all 'paid' galleries, every link on the site is a profit center.

it's a winner - TGP owner wins, surfer wins and the webmasters win.

Exactly. What he said.

:)

I think LaBret hit the nail on the head.While the role of gallery maker dimishes with the addition of hosted galleries the demand for better quality also rises and those with long standing clientele will be around.Signups will of course decrease with hosted galleries because there are TGP's who list only their galleries and eliminate the middle man.There is a reason why most major companies hire TGP guys more often now..just another way of harnessing the free traffic out there

also agressive galleries in my opinion convert much better than generic galleries


it says it right there in the Porn Bible: Man cannot and shallnot live on gallery making alone

I pay a guy $300 per week to create a new gallery for me each day (7 days a week), email the link to all my affiliates, and submit to places that aren't affiliates. It works.

In the same manner, other sites will hire designers to create galleries for them.

The guy I hired was formerly an affiliate. His conversion ratio was higher than any other affiliate I had. And his galleries are REALLY BASIC!

Gallery designers often times forget that the SURFER wants to see the GIRL, not the design.

Take a look at my hosted gallery list and you'll see what I mean by VERY SIMPLE... but they convert VERY well:

http://www.NakedCollegeGirls.tv/part...dgalleries.htm

Some of you may ask what do I mean by agressive galleries...basically its keeping a banner or text link in front of the surfer at all times.Why give him the oppurtunity to click back or click out of the gallery when he has a movie right in his face? make the bastard wack with his left and click with his right!

http://www.picsurfer.com/m/bootycakes-012/? - example

Submitters aren't gonna get killed anytime soon, but outside of pay for play, the real revenue generating opportunities are getting mighty thin.

How many newbs have $1200 to fork over for a few textlinks on the Hun?

some of this points made here are so obvious... it's funny how long it takes to become common knowledge.

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Its all about post count.

Did you know TGP's burn alot of bandwidth too?

yup definately :thumbsup

toodamnfli,

did you make that gallery? I need a bunch of galleries like that made.

Happy to see the article creating a lot of discussion.

Thanks for writing it. I liked it.

How about utilizing some of my hosted galleries:

http://www.NakedCollegeGirls.tv/part...dgalleries.htm

btw,those agressive galleries are standard along with the regular mpeg download ones courtesy of www.soulcash.com

Interesting thread
The death of the gallery marker ? One thing most people dont understand is there still a small number of gallery makers out there that can easy make 10k a month extra with galleries. Having big flash designs dosent mean you will convert any better good text with the right hook will allways sell more.
Maybe the days of free traffic are slowing down and sponsor hosted galleries dont help the normal gallery maker. But Im sure the elite guys will allways be around. You dont have to get all your traffic from tgp's for galleries.
Most of the people who allways knock the gallery maker just dont understand how to do it. Because they failed at it It must be unworkable. Galleries are the foundation of our buisness why do those million's of horny surfers turn up everyday looking for free porn do you think they be there if it wasnt for galleries ?
You need to learn how to harvest all those horny surfers.

Strap on my helmet and tell the short bus to wait up because I did it yesterday.

No, I would never do it on a large scale but this is a niche TGP and I know the owner accepts hosted galleries in the niche. It's generated two sales so far. :)


Hey, put that screwdriver down!

build your own paysite?

its much easier to build your own tgp