i think what will happen is a move towards hosted galleries, systems like chokers and paid spots. so you either pay for listings or you're shit out of luck.

So maybe the question should be, what kind of retard accepts hosted galleries to his own tgp?

hahah

A lazy pervert.

I think this was the only bit he got right in the whole article!

There is no money left in porn. :thumbsup

You are right I took all of it already!

first it's gallry submitters but.........
guess what paysites without TGPs- you're next.

yep - it's gona happen. Most TGPs have or are in the process of building hosted gallery paysites right now. Once more and more of us have then why the fuck would we even THINK about posting a paysites gallery on hosted revshare unless it PRE-PAID? Too many paysites have scammed too many people in the past. Pretty much the ONLY way in the next year to get a hosted gallery posted withot PRE-PAYING for the spot will be to trade traffic with that TGP and have a relationship with them cause soo many people will be fighting for the hosted spots.

Mark my words - that's where the marketplace is going.

I think it's safe to say the article generated some thought as well as a very intersting discussion, alot of which are assumptions, etc. Sure hosted galleries are the current thing, but who would have thought that 5 years ago, times change and who knows if hosted galleries will be the way of the future and IF it means the death of ALL gallery builders. Lot's of if's. I would rather list hosted galleries on my sites than to be annoyed by submissions, sad to say but out of 100 submissions chances are 80 of them suck or were sent by a cheater. There are still plenty of excellent honest hardworking gallery designers out there, most of which have been around a long time and have some deep ties into the sites they submit to.

I wouldnt imagine Paysites being without tgp's anytime soon either, I think both are possibilities, but hardly written in stone.

Yes, everyone listen to the TGP owner tell you paysite owners that you have to have him. :1orglaugh

I agree, at diabolicalgalleries.com we offer up to 3 variations on 1 gallery. We have an easy sell, a medium sell, and a hard sell, all 3 can go to pic on html as well, your choice. What I find interesting though is most tgp's choose the soft sell version.

One one hardcore gallery I've seen the soft sell version do 1.0-1.8 ctrs, the hard sell version does over 5%, however the tgp owners feel they need to cater to their surfers and opt out for the softsell.

IMO it doesn't make any sense. But that is their right to choose.

well, that article is not retarded, but obviously written for a TGP owner, meaning by that an absolute lack of perspective.
Explaining it better:
1- hosted galleries don't convert (or they convert but you will never know because you're under high shave mode). An example of this is I was converting less than 1:50 with 2 different sponsors in the same niche. They started hosted galleries, and conversions were worse than 1:1000. Changed to another sponsor (same niche) with no hosted galleries: conversions were more or less back to normal. Coincidence? :Graucho We're running for 2 months in a row a test sending 30-40k a day to sponsor hosted galleries in different niches. 6 sales TOTAL. (That's 1 sale every 10 days/300-400k traffic) Represented most of the biggest sponsors and paysites, as well as the little ones

2- TGP owners are losing money: if you don't believe it refer to the above test. It's more profitable to have 5-10 galleries well done (way more profitable) than 200 sponsor hosted. If in doubt, run the same test. Or take a look to this--> 400k= 1 sale How many sales would you make with 400,000 uniques to a gallery? Some TGP owners know it (not surprisingly, biggest TGP don't list sponsor hosted galleries at all. Or they're newbies, or they know something most little guys don't know :Graucho )

SleazyDream, even when biased, is quite right. But still you'll need converting and original galleries, those you won't find at sponsors pool (remember that once that gallery is listed at 1000 TGP, it's simply free content, nothing else). And then, the gallery maker's business will be not dead, but more important ever day. The way TGP owners will probably go is to hire gallery makers to make hundreds of good galleries to list (and I keep what I also imagine because I've some evil plans for it :1orglaugh )

Its easy:

Hosted galleries are destroying the TGP industry. I've always been a visitor to ampland.com, but recently, he's only been doing the hosted gallery thing, which is totally fucking up his site. Every second link is bangbus or big naturals, its ridiculous imo.

Hey Donovan... I appreciate that you want to share YNOTNEWS articles with everyone, but next time, ya wanna get my permission before you cut and paste an entire article and reprint it elsewhere? You deal with content... you should know better.

Point taken.

Did you notice the link to the article that I posted above that?

I'll edit the post to remove the text.

Brain fart. :)

I guess I can't edit it. It says my 30 minutes have passed. I can no longer edit the post.

Damn. Sorry about that. What the hell was I thinking?

Yes I saw the link. That alone would have sufficed. You realized your mistake and apologized. Thanks :)

I am a moviepost owner and movie gallery submitter. To make a long story short, I'll keep listing webmasters movie gallerys and I'll keep submitting as well. Im sure I'll get list at the same places I always do why? Because I come up with unique designs all the time with quality movies and I'm trusted and the movie post owners know this.


Dont worry fellow movie/picture gallery posters you have absolutely nothing to worry about. As Pipecrew said, (i think) once the movieposts / tgps find that their traffic drops because they only list the same movie gallerys / pic gallerys as everyone else they will start wandering to the places that DO list the unique webmaster made gallerys.

SO DONT WORRY!

exactly :thumbsup

Before this article came out -

We build and host new galleries daily and post to a few tgp owners with their own ccbill codes installed - Fetishes include feet/legs/hose/smoking/panties/ and a few more niche kind of stuff -
If you already are partnering a ccbill account and would like some galleries (we pay 50% recurring - No trials - Sign up ratios on all sites good to very good, drop me an email and include:
Site name(s)
your name
Your ccbill partner #
And we will send you upto five new galleries a day.
All galleries are permanent and have no other links except to our pay sites - So we don't try to steal any of your traffic.

agreed.

True, but as a TGP owner, what I want is to get to the point where I can get as stable income as possible from my gallery spots. That means CHARGING for the spots, not relying on sponsor hosted galleries.

I would much rather be in a position where my TGP has enough traffic and high enough quality traffic (stop laughing, dammit :) ) that I can see a large percentage of the spots instead of listing sponsor hosted galleries that may or may not convert.

And similarly, if I owned a paysite, I would keep offering affiliate programs simply because designing well performing galleries is an art and is work intensive and high risk - it's good business for them to do it to diversify and not rely entirely on their affiliates, just as much as it is good business for them to get a diverse set of affiliates promoting their sites in as many different ways as possible.

Both of these means that gallery builders won't go away, but maybe most of the newbies or small time builders will. The downside for gallery builders will be the cost to get listed, but that doesn't take into the account that the cost to get listed is extremely high as it is: Your time costs money - if you don't spend all your time posting galleries you can spend it building more galleries.

As long as paying for a spot makes it much easier for you to get large traffic volumes, paid spots may even end up making you more money than before.

Once my site gets enough traffic to justify it, I will gladly offer a simple API to let trusted gallery builders get their galleries listed in realtime even, without review, if they're willing to pay.

In other words you are a porn surfer and not a webmaster. :1orglaugh

... true

All I can say is that I submitted two sponsor hosted galleries to Richard's Realm last week ...

Both were rejected for loading too slow

if the graphics are too big, it'll get rejected for loading slow. their gallery reviewer must use a 33.6

Yep - fucking daft trying to sell stuff. Were he a decent TGP he'd ensure all advertising is removed. After all, we don't want nasty ads getting in the way of all that free porn do we?

:1orglaugh

ahhh - but they also need traffic so in the future getting a GOOD trade will require swapping galleries as well as traffic.. Mark my words - it's starting to happen already.

What is..

"building hosted gallery paysites right now."

A hosted gallery paysite?

Please explain.

Not just that I think it's just a default excuse they show when they have to decline a gallery for reason being too many submissions for the day not to mention your server maybe making burpies at the time of review. Anyways, why would you submit hosted galleries to them when they could list those galleries themselves.. you being lazy? :winkwink: Btw, Richard and Jeremy are a couple super cool guys running cool TGP/proggies :thumbsup

I don't understand why gallery submitters can't see the fact that cutting out the "middle man" in any business is always a good thing for the owner. Once I have 700k/day I don't need submissions anymore. Either buy a spot or it will be my own galleries or sponsers galleries with my own ref codes in it. That's the way business works.

It going back to like how it was in the old days... 1000ds of paysites that all did their own promotion...

I don't link those hosted gals out there, I really want to stick to old fashioned 'hard labor'. Mainly to make sure I don't link to galleries everybody else is linking to. Part from that, like someone already said here, why would I list someone else when I can sign up myself... I don't mind people making money, but I don't really believe in simply giving it away ;-)

I don't think there's going to be that much of a change though. Hosting is cheap, but billing is still an issue. There aren't as many different paysite owners (note the 'owners'-part) as in the old days (6-7 years ago), there might be some more. But the gallery builder job is not going to disappear I think.

Advertising your own paysite can be more luctrative, but it requires building and maintaining a paysite. And that's a lot of work. I wouldn't mind more paysites out there and people promoting their own paysites, but a good paysite is a lot of work, and the consumer is pretty demanding these days,,,

That makes me wonder how the heck someone can own 100 paysites when 1 paysite could be hellava lotta work? I guess the secret is they own 100s of paysites alright but they aren't good paysites :( (which could be a little hard for newbies to understand heh.. to whom fancy tour = good paysite) Neways, I agree with Hun 100% gallery builders days aren't so numbered atleast not cos of hosted galleries :)

This was a good thread that didn't get the attention it deserved.

The TGP Submitter game has definitely changed...but it is not due to hosted galleries I'd say it's more or less because of paid submissions now days.

Exactly. Gallery Builders aren't going anywhere soon.

its not going to happen, with the amount of tgps out there there arent enough FHGs to go around so that everyone has new content every day

"If a gallery submitter is dumb enough to submit hosted galleries to other tgp's besides there own (assuming they have one) then they should not be in this business. Hosted galleries are for Site owners not Tgp submitters in my opinion.

I've noticed alot of big sites posting all sponsor listed galleries and if you watch the sextracker ranks in the last 6 months these guys have seen a huge decrease in traffic, mainly due to there own lazyness. Sponsor hosted galleries are the things killing the industry, not the submitters. Submitters make original galleries, not the same hosted shit that the surfer will see on 1000 sites.

Original Submissions are the way to go!"


Right on Pipecrew. I've been saying this for years.

Every sponsor comes on here saying free, free, free.

Every newbie comes on here looking for free, free, free.


Seems to me that there's way too much free.

It only keeps the newbies and the lazy wannabees in business.



:2 cents:

Succinct as usual Hunster.

:thumbsup

I have to agree with you there. Even with partner submission accounts, the top spots are always taken by paid submitters.

Bumpin' an interesting thread. :)

TGP's that have the traffic, that matters, go through and pick out the cleaner, nicer galleries.. Fresh and new by the truck loads daily..

Paysites don't have time to create the amount needed to keep it fresh, all the time, for 100's of TGP's not to have the same exact galleries up.

Between submitters they advertise probably 500 different money making programs, which would mean those 500 programs would have to create fresh, new, unique templates and content DAILY to stay up with submitters.

That is why gallery submitters will be around as long as TGP's are around.