Republican voter ID laws unconstitutional
 

Bad news for a few, great news for everyone else:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0HZ03020141010


http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/...constitutional

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I know I feel better knowing people not even responsible enough to get a id can now decide who leads or government.

Interesting.

I don't see peoples right to vote being affected.


Everyone by law has to carry identification. Licenses, state ID, passport, etc. By law when a peace officer asks a citizen for his or her ID it must be presented by law as to establish the ID of that person for what ever reason.


I get asked for ID when I go to a bar, I get asked ID when I use my credit card, when I go in for medical services, when I buy scratchers at the market, When I buy spray pain at The Home Depot, When I buy Cigarettes, When I buy alcohol, when I rent a anything, etc.


My point is that in everyday life we are constantly getting asked to Identify ourselves to prove who we say we are.

Now that we get asked to ID ourselves prior to voting as to prevent voter fraud? And somehow thats unconstitutional?


People whining because they get asked to show something that they are suppose to always have on them. This is just comical to me.



Just Dave

I don't understand this either. Is it asking too much to show ID in order to vote? Shouldn't it be a basic requirement to prove who you are before you are allowed to vote?

You guys need to keep your crazy far rightwing opinions out of Mark's political threads...:winkwink:

it's a sad day for Wisconsin.

today.. the plight that is voter fraud could possibly continue in Wisconsin, if it existed in the first place:

regardless that the residing judge was unable to find any proof of voter fraud, at all:

A Federal Judge Searches for Voter Fraud in Wisconsin and Finds None

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...s-none/361403/

What does exist, however, is a 1.8 billion deficit.

I don't decide what is right or wrong based on party lines.

I am stunned that we are not required to prove who we are by showing ID. That should be very basic.

I think that they want to lower the bar to just showing up and mouth berating. Who these people claim to be seems completely irrelevant in the eyes of the democrats.





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I like it when people have a difference of opinion. Makes for healthy discussion. :thumbsup


I totally agree with you. Im no fan of any particular party, I'm a fan of common sense.:thumbsup


Just Dave

i don't want to get into a political debate i do agree you should show id to vote. But these id voting laws are not being put in place to prevent fraud. Actually voting fraud is almost nil.

"And for many young minority youths, even the concept of a required ID was a primary reason they didn?t go to the polls last year: 17.3 percent of black youth and 8.1 percent of Latino youth said their lack of adequate ID kept them from voting, compared with just 4.7 percent of white youth."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...#ixzz3FleymoPQ

Wha... what? What are you saying?

;)

that bat shit crazy Canada country to the north requires its citizens to show ID and proof of address to vote.

but no USA repubs in on that so it's OK to the op.

I'll be voting multiple times in the midterms next month.I will refuse to show ID each time insisting its unconstitutional.:thumbsup:thumbsup

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just Dave

doesn't it seem ridiculous that someone has the means, time, etc, to go vote... but yet for some reason is unable to get an ID?

All of these political tactics designed to LIMIT VOTERS are based on a false premise; that there is widespread voter fraud. There isn't. End.

Lets say for a moment there isn't, doesn't common sense say you should be able to prove you are who you say you are?

Whats to stop me from going to each precinct in my local area and vote in each?

how would one know how widespread voter fraud is if there is no way to check who is voting? but that's even besides the point, widespread or not, it's common sense that identity of the voter should established before voting...

what's stopping someone from voting over and over even at the same location? even if you get caught, you can say: "you are mistaken, you must have confused me with someone else" and they won't be able to prove shit...

is it bad law if the motivation behind it is wrong/misguided? even if the law created makes sense?

There is no voter fraud? Wait, Acorn signed up Mickey Mouse didn't they?

Oh wait, The IRS is not a scandal, just because the person in charge has taken the fifth and her emails have all been erased is not proof?

People have to have ID under Obamacare, correct? So what's the difference, me thinks something is being covered up!

Love how the sheep believe everything they are told to believe!

Ok, maybe you should have to show ID to vote...

But the reason that all of these Republican controlled states are doing it is to limit voter turnout -- and low voter turnout favors Republicans in elections. Some of them have even admitted that these law changes are for that exact reason.

They've created a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. It's another transparent move by dumb-ass conservatives.

I would have to agree with you on all your points. Nice post.:thumbsup



But if people are to stupid to go get an ID; Something that they are by law required to do, don't you think that they are probably not smart enough to understand the issues they are voting for or against? Just a thought.


Just Dave

gotta love you Mark.

understanding the issues is not a voting requirement.

How about we block people from voting because they don't think deep enough.

It cost $40 to get a state ID in Hawaii.

You can't pay the fee for the ID with welfare or food stamps.
So that's how deep you think about things.

:2 cents:


You need to bring several forms of ID to get the ID though; like a birth certificate.
Then you have to prove the certificate is real and that you weren't born in Kenya if you are black.


http://www1.honolulu.gov/csd/sid/quickanswer.htm

Aww.... thanks.

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Yep, not only do we have to show our Voter Cards at the polling station, we also have to show ID that matches the info on the voter card. And then they manually verify everything on a printout to ensure we are at the proper voting station, and that our name has not been crossed off (indicating we have already voted).

It's insane that restrictions are in place to limit the potential of voter fraud. WTF are we thinking here in Canada!?! (/sarcasm)

With respect to the statement someone else made about people not voting last time cause they did not have any ID... how is that the fault of anyone but themselves? You want to participate and have a say in your country, then get an ID. It's not rocket science.

And if you can't save 50 cents a month for 4 years in order to afford an ID, then get off your ass and do something. Help someone across the street for 1 day or 2 per month, or anything trivial, and you'd make that multiple times over.

The IRS was doing it's job. It routinely looks into types of cases where fraud is common.

I have Obamacare; I've never showed my ID to anyone really.

If that's the case, why has she pleaded the fifth?

Define really? You don't have a medical card? You don't have to register your personal information and pay money for Obamacare? If not, I call bull shit!

The fact that you only registered in one precinct is what stops you from voting in another.

My voter registration card came in the mail, so I would need an address in another precinct to do what you claim.

Your voter fraud claim is science fiction.

People can prove who they are without ID :
The school system knows who they are.
The police know who they are.
The mail deliverer knows who they are.
The phone company knows who they are.
The electric company knows who they are.
The land lord knows who they are.
The welfare office knows who they are.
The food stamp office knows who they are.
Their former and current employer knows who they are.
Child protective services knows who they are.
The library knows who they are.
The chick at Burger king knows who they are.

etc...

But you are stuck on the particular ID that is so easily faked.
Just work one night at the door of a bar. Jesus!!!
You want us to rely on the most faked document in the history of America.

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In the case of Wisconsin one of the reasons for this ruling is that the absentee ballots have already been sent out without any kind of information in them that tells the voters they must including a copy of their photo ID with their ballot for it to be counted.

Without that notice many people will not realize that they have to include their ID with their ballot and therefore their vote will not count.

In many other cases these laws aren't simply about requiring people to show ID at the polls. In many cases they actually include provisions to help those that can't afford an ID to get one for free (or very cheap), but they also limit voting hours, cut down early voting days, put limits on where you can vote, and the dates you are allowed to register to vote. They clearly are trying to limit the number of people who cast votes.

So let me get this straight...Mark Prince has to show his ID in order to vote in Canada, but somehow it's "voter repression" if we do it in the U.S. too?

That's interesting. Typical of faux-liberals who tell you to "Do as we say, not as we do"

Fucking exactly.

You are asking why a woman who is about to loose her job and potentially face jail time over something she knew nothing about and had nothing to do with who is being attacked by a political party for no reason is pleading the 5th?

The IRS was dong it's job. The IRS investigates organizations who are typically involved in fraud.



I did not have to show my ID to sign up to Obamacare. I did not go to an Obamcare office, or show my ID to anyone connected to Obamacare. To answer your question even further, I didn't show my ID to anyone in the government, and now that I think about it I never showed my ID to ANYONE.

Come to think of it, I went for a check up earlier this week. They didn't ask for any kind of ID. (Just in case you were wondering the doctor told me I was fit as a fiddle and he expects me to live to 101. No kidding.)

You make mountains out of molehills. The IRS was doing it's freaking job and now it can't because all they need to do is say "Hey, I am a political party" and the IRS has to turn the other way. Fine by me - it's your tax dollars too. As for Obamacare, well, the Republican party completely lost on that.

Canada never told their Prime Minister that he was born in Kenya either.

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Thats because he wasn't.

The U.S. never told our Pres. that either. A few dumbasses trying an extreme political strategy that didn't work were the ones that did that.

Saying an entire country did something would be as crazy as if a dozen crazy guys with box cutters were to hijack some planes and kill people in the U.S. and as a response we would blame an entire country and invade them...
Oh, wait a minute....

And what does that have to do with folks simply showing an ID to vote? You KNOW they already have an ID. There is no way to even get your electricity or water turned on without an ID. Or to rent a place to live without an ID.

So it's a fact that just to live in this country you MUST have an ID. So why can't they just show it at the booth?

I'm not big into govt. (if you haven't noticed lol). I think it's corrupt as hell. But having said that...I'm not an anarchist either.

A limited govt. that SERVES the people is what I look for. And having fair elections without people voting multiple times is a MUST for that.

And don't think it's a "non-problem". The Democrats held office in Chicago for over a hundred years now by voter fraud. Famously having dead people voting for Mayor Daley and the Democrat machine in Chicago.

I know there are many, many other examples, but that is the most famous.

The thing is...voter fraud doesn't exist, until you CATCH them doing it.

And the party that "wins" is usually the one doing it. So they don't investigate.

Show your fucking ID when you vote and then there are no excuses anymore. Why not?

Make the elections as honest as possible. It's just common sense.

Finally, ignorant, borderline Communist Canadians are here to school everyone on US Partisan Politics. Was wondering when this was going to finally happen on this forum.

Not in all states brother, like my state and home town, as long as you did or are not breaking the law the police can't just walk up to you and demand your id. Or search you etc. If you ask if you're being detained or arrested and the answer is no, you don't even have to talk to them, you can just either drive away or walk away etc.. But for me, I have nothing to hide I would just go on my merry way. LOL *shrugs* Who knows I could be wrong. lmao :pimp:1orglaugh:error

Not to be contentious, but are you suggesting (borderline) Communism = showing your ID, along with a voter card, to vote?