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Robbie

10-11-2014 06:36 PM

Wow I had no idea the networks were getting any viewers anymore for the news or anything else.

That's pretty impressive. I'm guessing it's nothing close to the numbers they used to get before cable television got big.

kane	10-11-2014 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20250863)

I would agree. I seem to remember not even that long ago if a network show had 10-15 million viewers it was considered a decent hit. Now if a network show gets 8-9 million viewers it is a big hit.

marlboroack

10-11-2014 07:24 PM

Smooth move

theking

10-11-2014 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20250791)

She took off the summer and is going to get a good job that hopefully pay for her continued education. Because at this point, she has no student loans to pay and that's a good thing.

She wants to continue to get her doctorate as a Anthropologist.

Interesting field of study. I take it her GI College Fund has been used up.

DAMNMAN

10-11-2014 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 20249620)

Interesting.

I don't see peoples right to vote being affected.

Everyone by law has to carry identification. Licenses, state ID, passport, etc. By law when a peace officer asks a citizen for his or her ID it must be presented by law as to establish the ID of that person for what ever reason.

I get asked for ID when I go to a bar, I get asked ID when I use my credit card, when I go in for medical services, when I buy scratchers at the market, When I buy spray pain at The Home Depot, When I buy Cigarettes, When I buy alcohol, when I rent a anything, etc.

My point is that in everyday life we are constantly getting asked to Identify ourselves to prove who we say we are.

Now that we get asked to ID ourselves prior to voting as to prevent voter fraud? And somehow thats unconstitutional?

People whining because they get asked to show something that they are suppose to always have on them. This is just comical to me.

Just Dave

Untrue - You do not have to provide ID to police if the police do not have a reason, such as suspecting a crime has been committed. They can and will ask, but you don't have to comply. Unless you are a sheep. If you do not flex your rights you will lose them!!!:mad:

Vendzilla

10-11-2014 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 20250895)

Interesting field of study. I take it her GI College Fund has been used up.

I believe it pretty much is. It was the Post 9/11 bill that Bush put in place. Basically giving a free ride to those that want an education. They paid for everything. I wish they had that when I was in.

She got her degree in 3 1/2 years

Barry-xlovecam

10-12-2014 06:13 AM

When I got my passport renewed this year I paid an additional $30 for a US Passport Card. The mechanism exists for a national identity card. This is a picture ID card proving citizenship -- this should be provided to all citizens over 18 years of age for a nominal fee like a state id or driver's license. This Passport Card proves USA citizenship and the right to vote -- that person's name would be on the voter registration roll for the jurisdiction -- case closed -- have a nice day.

Other forms of ID DO NOT PROVE CITIZENSHIP.

TheSquealer

10-12-2014 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DAMNMAN (Post 20250897)

The laws are different from state to state... you're quite wrong. Some states have laws which explicitly require you to provide an ID to an officer when he asks,... and a huge number of states require you to identify yourself to the officer, in which case he can look it up.

It's people like you which tend to end up getting arrested and then want to cry victim.

2MuchMark

10-12-2014 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom_PM (Post 20249686)

All of these political tactics designed to LIMIT VOTERS are based on a false premise; that there is widespread voter fraud. There isn't. End.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

2MuchMark

10-12-2014 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20249824)

So let me get this straight...Mark Prince has to show his ID in order to vote in Canada, but somehow it's "voter repression" if we do it in the U.S. too?

That's interesting. Typical of faux-liberals who tell you to "Do as we say, not as we do"

I didn't say anything about that. I just linked to a story saying the was was blocked from going into effect. Again Robbie, please don't speak for me.

crockett

10-12-2014 04:27 PM

Look voting fraud is real.. This is video of the same people voting over and over. In Texas of all places..

For some reason these people think it's ok to vote more than once.

PornoMonster

10-12-2014 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 20249732)

I would have to agree with you on all your points. Nice post.:thumbsup

But if people are to stupid to go get an ID; Something that they are by law required to do, don't you think that they are probably not smart enough to understand the issues they are voting for or against? Just a thought.

Just Dave

EXACTLY......

My state you have to have ID to vote. I honestly believe that all the illegals would line up if they did not check ID.

My state also gives you a FREE ID if you tell them you need it to Vote.

SO as far as it being a Poll tax, blah.
You need that ID to get everything else in the USA.
You need that ID for all Government assistance.

This just blows my mind, people do not have to show ID to vote for the most powerful position in the USA....

PornoMonster

10-12-2014 08:59 PM

Hell make it MANDATORY you MUST vote if you are an American.....

Robbie

10-12-2014 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20251457)

I didn't say anything about that. I just linked to a story saying the was was blocked from going into effect. Again Robbie, please don't speak for me.

So you are saying that having to show ID is NOT "voter repression"?

Good, then we can finally agree on something.

Axeman

10-12-2014 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20250753)

I read the article, and while I'm rarely in agreement with the op, in the article it does state the texas voter law was/is unconstitutional.

:winkwink:

The Texas ruling was in US District Court by a Federal judge in Texas, not the Supreme Court.

Wisconsin was a ruling by the Supreme Court in how they handled the lack of proper notification when sending out the absentee/mail ballots.

So far the Supreme Court has yet to weigh in on whether or not requiring ID is unconstitutional.

Axeman

10-18-2014 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20250753)

I read the article, and while I'm rarely in agreement with the op, in the article it does state the texas voter law was/is unconstitutional.

:winkwink:

An update:

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The United States Supreme Court has denied the Application to Vacate the Stay filed by Texas Voter ID opponents. Senate Bill 14 Texas Voter ID requirements will be used in the November election. Justices Sotomayor, Ginsburg, and Kagan dissented. Greg Abbott, the Texas Attorney General, vows to continue to fight this battle in the courts.

Application to Vacate the Stay the order that was issued by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit. Breitbart Texas reported that the Fifth Circuit had acted quickly to unanimously rule in favor of Texas by staying the decision of Judge Nelva Gonzalez Ramos, an Obama appointee sitting in the Corpus Christi Division of the U.S. District Courts for the Southern District of Texas.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...oming-Election

Vendzilla

10-18-2014 12:58 PM

Ok, for those that think there is NO voter fraud
1,099 felons voted in Minnesota and the race was won by 312 votes.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/yo...rticle/2504163

Which is why we now have Al Franken as a senator

177 people have been convicted SO FAR of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial

JustDaveXxx

10-18-2014 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20258254)

Nice post!!

Agree or disagree with anyone on an issue, you always have to respect the guy that finds a good source to back up his argument.:thumbsup

Much respect!

And I like what Robbie posts as well. I usually agree with Robbie across the board on all issues, I'm just nicer about things when I disagree with others on an issue.

And to add I do see the OPs point on some of the issues.:thumbsup

Just Dave

kane	10-18-2014 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20258254)

Just out of curiosity, how will a voter ID law stop this from happening?

These people clearly registered to vote and were on the voter rolls in order to vote in the first place and felons can get drivers licenses.

I'm not saying this is something to ignore, clearly this is a case of voter fraud, but I wonder how a voter ID law will stop this from happening.

Robbie

10-18-2014 02:47 PM

Actually, I kinda think it's bullshit that a felon can't vote.

For instance, I have a friend who is a very successful guy. Big in the community where he lives. Gives to charities. Sponsors a little league baseball team and is always giving money to local causes.

BUT...back in the early 1980's he was arrested dealing blow. He was 19 years old at the time.

Fast forward 30 years. He finally had to pull every string he had to get the governor of his state to issue him a pardon a few years back so he no longer had a felony conviction on his record.

It kept him from doing a lot of things...including voting.

Seems like that should be unconstitutional.

Vendzilla

10-18-2014 02:49 PM

The voters rules are set by the state, I'll leave it that.

I posted this because of the people that keep posting that there is no fraud in voting to prove they are completely wroing

kane	10-18-2014 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20258344)

The voters rules are set by the state, I'll leave it that.

I posted this because of the people that keep posting that there is no fraud in voting to prove they are completely wroing

I don't think that there is no fraud, I just think it is almost non existent. In 2008 there were roughly 130 million votes cast in that election. If every one of the people accused here ends up guilty that is 1099 out of 130 million.

In this particular case is may well have had an outcome on the election, but I don't know that I would consider this a major epidemic of voter fraud, nor do I see clearly how a voter ID law alone fixes this.

And, as I have said all along. I don't really have a problem with people being required to show ID to vote. I have a problem with all the other crap that tends to go along with those voter ID laws.

kane	10-18-2014 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20258340)

I agree. This guy is a perfect example. He did something when he was young and dumb, got caught and ends up paying for it for life.

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