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brassmonkey 05-05-2014 08:26 PM

U.S.: Russian planes flew near California, Guam, in upped activity
 
get ready people :2 cents:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The head of U.S. air forces in the Pacific said on Monday that Russia's intervention in Ukraine had been accompanied by a significant increase in Russian air activity in the Asia-Pacific region in a show of strength and to gather intelligence.

General Herbert "Hawk" Carlisle said the activity had included Russian flights to the coast of California, and around the U.S. Pacific island of Guam.

Carlisle said the number of long-range Russian patrols around the Japanese islands and Korea had increased "drastically." He said there had also been "a lot more ship activity as well."

Speaking at Washington's Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank, Carlisle showed a slide of a U.S. F-15 fighter jet intercepting a Russian "Bear" aircraft over Guam. He used the Cold War NATO name for Russia's Tupolov Tu-95 strategic bomber.

"Certainly what's going on in Ukraine and Crimea is a challenge for us and it's a challenge for us in Asia Pacific as well as Europe," Carlisle said.

He said there had been "a significant" increase in Russian activity in the Asia Pacific "and we relate a lot of that to what's going on in the Ukraine."

"They've come with their long-range aviation out to the coast of California, they've circumnavigated Guam," he said.

"That's to demonstrate their capability to do it, it's to gather intel," Carlisle said, adding that the surveillance had included observation of military exercises involving U.S. forces in South Korea and Japan.

"There are things that are concerning with respect to how they operate and how transparent they are with other nations in the vicinity," he said.

Carlisle did not give details of the incidents and the Defense Department and the U.S. Air Force and Navy in the Pacific did not immediately respond to a request for more information.

Mike Green, senior vice president for Asia at CSIS, said the frequency of incidents was up and described them as being "evocative of the Cold War".

Russian President Vladimir Putin announced in 2007 that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace that were suspended in 1992 after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Putin, who made the announcement during a joint military exercise with China, said the move was necessary to guarantee Russia's safety and that other nations had not followed Moscow's example in suspending such flights.

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crockett 05-05-2014 08:34 PM

This is something the Russians always did and we returned the favor by meeting them with fighter jets. It's typical cold war jargon..

Russia's old allies are slowly moving toward the west and Putin is acting out like a short North Korean dictator.

Even Iran came forward today, to say they would willingly sell gas to European nations if Russia tried to raise the prices.. Iran of all countries it seems a long political friend of Russia is even moving further toward the west.

dyna mo 05-05-2014 08:35 PM

The world is holding back
The time has come to
The world is holding back
The time has come to

The world is holding back




The time has come to galvanize



brassmonkey 05-05-2014 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20076899)
This is something the Russians always did and we returned the favor by meeting them with fighter jets. It's typical cold war jargon..

Russia's old allies are slowly moving toward the west and Putin is acting out like a short North Korean dictator.

Even Iran came forward today, to say they would willingly sell gas to European nations if Russia tried to raise the prices.. Iran of all countries it seems a long political friend of Russia is even moving further toward the west.

bomber gets shot down :2 cents: no going home

evy97 05-06-2014 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20076899)
This is something the Russians always did and we returned the favor by meeting them with fighter jets. It's typical cold war jargon..

Russia's old allies are slowly moving toward the west and Putin is acting out like a short North Korean dictator.

Even Iran came forward today, to say they would willingly sell gas to European nations if Russia tried to raise the prices.. Iran of all countries it seems a long political friend of Russia is even moving further toward the west.

Are you really naturally stupid or someone pays you to be stupid? Too many nonsense posts :thumbsup

seeandsee 05-06-2014 05:49 AM

just nuke the planet!

Rochard 05-06-2014 07:18 AM

Russia used to do this on a regular basis. I don't believe the US has any fear with the Russian military. They might be strong and they might be powerful and they might be huge, but they don't really have the means to get to the US.

Meaning... If the US wanted to invade Russia they could do so quickly by sending US and NATO troops across Europe. Russia... Does not have a blue water Navy and would have a difficult time sending troops across the Pacific in enough numbers to do any damage, and we would see them coming a mile away... It's not like it's the 1940s and entire fleets can go off the grid for months at a time.

pornmasta 05-06-2014 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeandsee (Post 20077211)
just nuke the planet!

yeah*


MK Ultra 05-06-2014 07:41 AM

Putin had better be careful, if he pushes Obama too far he'll find himself on the receiving end of a very strongly-worded tweet! :uhoh

PornDiscounts-V 05-06-2014 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20077328)
Russia used to do this on a regular basis. I don't believe the US has any fear with the Russian military. They might be strong and they might be powerful and they might be huge, but they don't really have the means to get to the US.

Meaning... If the US wanted to invade Russia they could do so quickly by sending US and NATO troops across Europe. Russia... Does not have a blue water Navy and would have a difficult time sending troops across the Pacific in enough numbers to do any damage, and we would see them coming a mile away... It's not like it's the 1940s and entire fleets can go off the grid for months at a time.

I miss those days.

evy97 05-06-2014 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20077328)
Russia used to do this on a regular basis. I don't believe the US has any fear with the Russian military. They might be strong and they might be powerful and they might be huge, but they don't really have the means to get to the US.

Meaning... If the US wanted to invade Russia they could do so quickly by sending US and NATO troops across Europe. Russia... Does not have a blue water Navy and would have a difficult time sending troops across the Pacific in enough numbers to do any damage, and we would see them coming a mile away... It's not like it's the 1940s and entire fleets can go off the grid for months at a time.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmZ5RmmIUAAtmO3.jpg

There will never be war between NATO and Russia :2 cents: Topol-M guarantees it :)

dyna mo 05-06-2014 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20077380)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmZ5RmmIUAAtmO3.jpg

There will never be war between NATO and Russia :2 cents: Topol-M guarantees it :)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

it's lollable how far behind russia is on military tech.

Vendzilla 05-06-2014 07:52 AM

Strong leader, Reagan, cold war ends

Weak leader, Obama, cold war starts back up

Vendzilla 05-06-2014 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20077386)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

it's lollable how far behind russia is on military tech.

Yeah, but can we shoot down all the nukes they can throw at us? Let's say 20% get thru, you want to be on the receiving end?

One sub carries 24 ICBM missle's and they have a bunch of new subs that carry 16 each.

I've been in the middle of the cold war, no thanks

pornmasta 05-06-2014 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MK Ultra (Post 20077370)
Putin had better be careful, if he pushes Obama too far he'll find himself on the receiving end of a very strongly-worded tweet! :uhoh

omg how rude !

evy97 05-06-2014 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20077386)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

it's lollable how far behind russia is on military tech.

This guy sounds like a retard ˄˄

Topol-M is the world's fastest nuclear missile.

Vendzilla 05-06-2014 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20077328)
Russia used to do this on a regular basis. I don't believe the US has any fear with the Russian military. They might be strong and they might be powerful and they might be huge, but they don't really have the means to get to the US.

Submarines, they have a new class

Quote:

Russia... Does not have a blue water Navy.
You need to read more

The Cold War era Soviet Navy maintained naval forces able to rival those of the United States Navy, however, after the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 the fleet experienced a severe decline due to lack of funding. In 2012, President Vladimir Putin announced an increase in spending to the Russian Navy as part of a long-term intention to recreate a blue-water navy. One analyst has mentioned that as opposed to the Cold War era and the dominance of Atlantic and North Sea operations, Russia's strategic emphasis has shifted towards the Pacific regions where a rising China and a US shift in policy from the Atlantic to the Pacific are potential threats. In January 2013 the Russian Defense ministry announced it would stage the largest naval war exercises for the Russian Navy since the collapse of the Soviet Union. They were held in the Black Sea and Mediterranean Sea. Ships from as far away as the Russian Pacific Fleet also took part.


It's well into 2014, you still think they don't have a blue water navy?

dyna mo 05-06-2014 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20077398)
This guy sounds like a retard ˄˄

Topol-M is the world's fastest nuclear missile.

a retard thinks a topol-m would be fired on a russian neighbor NATO country. regardless of how fast it is.

crockett 05-06-2014 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20077388)
Strong leader, Reagan, cold war ends

Weak leader, Obama, cold war starts back up

You can't even make a post on this forum with out somehow telling everyone how much you hate Obama. It's cool dude we all get it. You hate the guy, and you are obsessed with him, go see a shrink because this much obsession leads to no good. You are like a crack addict where you can't get by with out your fix.


You will with a heart attack by the time you hit 50 with this much hate built up in you.

dyna mo 05-06-2014 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20077395)
Yeah, but can we shoot down all the nukes they can throw at us? Let's say 20% get thru, you want to be on the receiving end?

One sub carries 24 ICBM missle's and they have a bunch of new subs that carry 16 each.

I've been in the middle of the cold war, no thanks

we were all in n the middle of the cold war. I'm not talking mutually assured destruction/nuclear war. I'm talking about a more realistic conventional war.

the post i referenced was re: the topol-m being used against nato as some sort of deterrent, which is laughable.

pornmasta 05-06-2014 08:07 AM

why can't we just make a global war just for the fun of it ?

dyna mo 05-06-2014 08:18 AM

ahqahahah, was just reading a bit about the topol-m, it's 1980s technology. ahahahahahah. it's already past the end of it's lifecycle.

who gives a shit how fast it is if it's going to fizzle out on the pad. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh


Quote:

Topol-M development began in the 1980s, when Soviet military planners anticipated U.S. deployment of missile defenses under the auspices of President Ronald Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative.

pornmasta 05-06-2014 08:38 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-24_Yars

crockett 05-06-2014 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20077423)
ahqahahah, was just reading a bit about the topol-m, it's 1980s technology. ahahahahahah. it's already past the end of it's lifecycle.

who gives a shit how fast it is if it's going to fizzle out on the pad. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Most of their Navy is 1980's & 90's technology and a large portion of it is sitting dry docked. Much of it is "scheduled" to be upgraded & modernized, but of course that takes money and time.

Russia has money but not the kind of money to finance large Naval fleets like it used to do. They currently have only 1 aircraft carrier, that should give an idea of what their navy is capable of and most of their subs are sitting in the docks.

Their Navy consists of just over 100k men and that includes their marines.

just a punk 05-06-2014 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20077386)
it's lollable how far behind russia is on military tech.

Sure. Russia still uses the US space rockets to reach the orbit ;) What do you smoke, dude? :)

dyna mo 05-06-2014 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20077448)
Most of their Navy is 1980's & 90's technology and a large portion of it is sitting dry docked. Much of it is "scheduled" to be upgraded & modernized, but of course that takes money and time.

Russia has money but not the kind of money to finance large Naval fleets like it used to do. They currently have only 1 aircraft carrier, that should give an idea of what their navy is capable of and most of their subs are sitting in the docks.

Their Navy consists of just over 100k men and that includes their marines.

that's where I was coming from earlier with my post about russian military tech being way behind.

dyna mo 05-06-2014 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20077458)
Sure. Russia still uses the US space rockets to reach the orbit ;) What do you smoke, dude? :)

whatever i smoke i need more of it to decipher this post.

evy97 05-06-2014 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20077423)
ahqahahah, was just reading a bit about the topol-m, it's 1980s technology. ahahahahahah. it's already past the end of it's lifecycle.

who gives a shit how fast it is if it's going to fizzle out on the pad. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Man, you are really an idiot or clueless. :helpme

Russian ICBM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2UTTKh_Topol-M
In service: December 1997–present

American ICBM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30G_Minuteman-III
In service: 1970 (Minuteman-III)

Rochard 05-06-2014 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20077410)
Submarines, they have a new class



You need to read more

The Cold War era Soviet Navy maintained naval forces able to rival those of the United States Navy, however, after the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 the fleet experienced a severe decline due to lack of funding. In 2012, President Vladimir Putin announced an increase in spending to the Russian Navy as part of a long-term intention to recreate a blue-water navy. One analyst has mentioned that as opposed to the Cold War era and the dominance of Atlantic and North Sea operations, Russia's strategic emphasis has shifted towards the Pacific regions where a rising China and a US shift in policy from the Atlantic to the Pacific are potential threats. In January 2013 the Russian Defense ministry announced it would stage the largest naval war exercises for the Russian Navy since the collapse of the Soviet Union. They were held in the Black Sea and Mediterranean Sea. Ships from as far away as the Russian Pacific Fleet also took part.


It's well into 2014, you still think they don't have a blue water navy?

Very good Vendzilla... You can quote Wikipedia, which says that Russia has a "potential" blue water navy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-water_navy.

You know exactly what a blue water navy is, and that Russia does not have it. The United States has ships on deployment around the world on a continued basis, yet when Russia sends a single ship to Cuba it's front page news in the US.

They don't even have a single aircraft carrier.

crockett 05-06-2014 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20077459)
that's where I was coming from earlier with my post about russian military tech being way behind.

Yea, they have the potential to slowly gear back up, but even if every ship they still have commissioned was ready to go, they would still be only maybe 1/4 the size of the US and with older ships/tech. Not to mention crews lacking training experience.


Russia just doesn't have the money it needs to play on the world stage with it's military. They are a regional power that happens to have lots of nukes. Their only real threat is all out nuclear war but in that case everyone is fucked anyway..

pornmasta 05-06-2014 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20077465)
Man, you are really an idiot. :helpme

Russian ICBM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2UTTKh_Topol-M
In service: December 1997?present

American ICBM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30G_Minuteman-III
In service: 1970 (Minuteman-III)

we know the real answer for russia because of the nsa, for usa, it is still secret... :winkwink:

just a punk 05-06-2014 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20077465)
Man, you are really an idiot. :helpme

Russian ICBM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2UTTKh_Topol-M
In service: December 1997?present

American ICBM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30G_Minuteman-III
In service: 1970 (Minuteman-III)

He's just high IMHO

dyna mo 05-06-2014 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20077465)
Man, you are really an idiot or clueless. :helpme

Russian ICBM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2UTTKh_Topol-M
In service: December 1997?present

American ICBM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30G_Minuteman-III
In service: 1970 (Minuteman-III)

umm, brainiac, we've spent close to $10 billion dollars completely updating/upgrading/redoing exisiting mmIII missiles.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/li...025-afns01.htm

you dipshits haven't done jackshit to update, those m-topols are past the end of their lifecycle, regardless of the propaganda you suck up like a sponge.

dyna mo 05-06-2014 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20077469)
Yea, they have the potential to slowly gear back up, but even if every ship they still have commissioned was ready to go, they would still be only maybe 1/4 the size of the US and with older ships/tech. Not to mention crews lacking training experience.


Russia just doesn't have the money it needs to play on the world stage with it's military. They are a regional power that happens to have lots of nukes. Their only real threat is all out nuclear war but in that case everyone is fucked anyway..

exactly. russia is moer than ready to try and kick it's neighbor's asses. other than that. it's got ~1800 ICBMs with cobwebs on em pointed at the USA. :upsidedow

pornmasta 05-06-2014 09:05 AM

stop this shit, you bunch of faggots, press on teh red button now and let's talk about the result at the end of the week.

dyna mo 05-06-2014 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20077472)
He's just high IMHO

not high enough to actually believe the topol-m is a NATO defense weapon.

y'all must have some good shit over there to buy into that sort of thinking :1orglaugh

evy97 05-06-2014 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20077470)
we know the real answer for russia because of the nsa, for usa, it is still secret... :winkwink:


It must be a very big secret bc US lost without russian rocket technology.

How Russia could strangle the US space program

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin tweeted this-> http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukr...ng-leap-n92616
Quote:

"After analyzing the sanctions against our space industry, I suggest to the USA to bring their astronauts to the International Space Station using a trampoline,"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmpnzMPCAAEcvwS.jpg

crockett 05-06-2014 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20077458)
Sure. Russia still uses the US space rockets to reach the orbit ;) What do you smoke, dude? :)

NASA has nothing to do with the US military outside of NASA rockets are usually used to launch military satellites into orbit. The fact that the US doesn't have a current manned space flight has nothing to do with military and everything to do with gearing up for the future.

NASA is currently working on our next manned system, hell my Aunt works on it. However the US govt & NASA has also been helping fund commercial space flight with-in the private sector.

While yes it's true we retired the Shuttle before it's replacement was ready, our space program will however come out very far ahead in the near future, as manned missions to other planets will be the next forefront and that's what NASA is gearing up for.

You can only learn and gain so much by orbiting the planet in a space station. You have to go to other planets or other orbiting bodies to make further progress at this point. We can still send satellites into space on a routine schedule and hell even the air force has it's little projects like unmanned drones in space. Our space program is very much alive and doing well, we just have a different focus and are working on it's expansion to other planets.

just a punk 05-06-2014 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20077488)
not high enough to actually believe the topol-m is a NATO defense weapon.

What are you talking about? Did you read my post?

Hint: try to focus your eyes at the screen when reading.

dyna mo 05-06-2014 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20077491)
It must be a very big secret bc US lost without russian rocket technology.

How Russia could strangle the US space program

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin tweeted this-> http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukr...ng-leap-n92616

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmpnzMPCAAEcvwS.jpg


sounds like a butthurt russian bureaucrat mad because sanctions are going to come right out of the money he's siphoning for himself out of the program.

and it's funny to think russians think keeping USA astronauts from the international space station is some sort of deterrent to sanctions. :1orglaugh


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