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MrMaxwell 05-23-2013 10:23 PM

I can only drive a vehicle I don't own and it has to be my employer
 
So apparently I can drive, but only with an interlock device. . OR I can drive an employers vehicle for normal business activities. I can own no part of the business OR the vehicle.

(I'm not going to get the interlock, period)

SO


I am self employed

And I have business activities

The problem is, if I am self employed, I own that and the vehicle

So now what

Any bright ideas anyone?

2013 05-23-2013 10:25 PM

I always had someone else blow in the machine

epitome 05-23-2013 10:38 PM

Why wouldn't you get the interlock? Do you plan on drinking and driving again?

Also, you cannot own any part of the company or the vehicle. It's to prevent people from doing exactly what you're trying to do. Why would you think there is a way around that? Also, what do you do for a living that requires you to drive?

Fat Panda 05-23-2013 10:38 PM

you are fucked

SilentKnight 05-23-2013 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 19638260)

Any bright ideas anyone?

You already skipped the brightest idea...by drinking and driving.

EddyTheDog 05-23-2013 10:57 PM

I doubt there is a legal way around it - You could use a friends company for example, but you would not be doing business for them in the vehicle...

Do what I did when I got my DUI - Sell the car and never drive again.....

k0nr4d 05-23-2013 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 19638260)
So apparently I can drive, but only with an interlock device. . OR I can drive an employers vehicle for normal business activities. I can own no part of the business OR the vehicle.

(I'm not going to get the interlock, period)

SO


I am self employed

And I have business activities

The problem is, if I am self employed, I own that and the vehicle

So now what

Any bright ideas anyone?

Incorporate wife, transfer car to that corp, drive

onwebcam 05-23-2013 11:12 PM

Technically traveling in your own personal conveyence isn't driving. In fact it is your right. Since you can "drive" another company's vehicle should be proof enough of this. But hey why not be Mexican? You seem to be well versed with the courts so challenge them rather than bend over. Hiring a practicing lawyer to defend you lawfully within a legal system isn't the way to go as you've found.

CurrentlySober 05-23-2013 11:40 PM

I can only drive a vehicle I don't own and it has to be my employer
 
How can a vehicle employ you? I doubt you'd ever get paid :2 cents:

MrBottomTooth 05-24-2013 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19638267)
Why wouldn't you get the interlock?

Probably doesnt want to pay the monthly fee. I dont know what it is now, but it used to be something like 150 a month. I think id be more worried about what my insurance premiums were going to go up to.

EddyTheDog 05-24-2013 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 19638463)
Probably doesnt want to pay the monthly fee. I dont know what it is now, but it used to be something like 150 a month. I think id be more worried about what my insurance premiums were going to go up to.

What is 'Interlock'?

L-Pink 05-24-2013 03:44 AM

A better question is what insurance company will take a chance with you. Most insurance policies require a background check for any employee driving a company car.

Next question, what kind of company provides cars to their entry level employees? Sounds like you are fucked.

Also "normal business activities" doesn't include any driving outside business hours. So what's the point?

MrBottomTooth 05-24-2013 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 19638465)
What is 'Interlock'?

A device that installs to your ignition. Before your car will start you have to blow in a breathalyzer. Any alcohol on your breath and it wont start. Also randomly makes you blow while you are driving so you can't just have someone blow in it to start it for you. On the old models people used to just hook air compressors into them, but the new ones make you hum while you blow so they know you are actually breathing into it. Lol

purecane 05-24-2013 04:58 AM

go to "silkroad.com" ,obtain "new identity", drive

BlackCrayon 05-24-2013 05:04 AM

are you sure about that? here in canada you can't drive any cars without an interlock, it doesn't matter who they belong to. you also *have* to have a period where you own a car with an interlock if you ever want to get your license back.

blackmonsters 05-24-2013 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19638469)
A better question is what insurance company will take a chance with you. Most insurance policies require a background check for any employee driving a company car.

Next question, what kind of company provides cars to their entry level employees? Sounds like you are fucked.

Also "normal business activities" doesn't include any driving outside business hours. So what's the point?

He's just dreaming.

The simple rule is that,
1. "You can work a job".
2. The job requires driving the company van, then fine to do so during work duties.
3. No fake jobs

It's number 3 that's fucking him up.

:1orglaugh

ilnjscb 05-24-2013 06:17 AM

I'm not sure where you live but I'd counsel you to have a GF drive you, or a friend. If you have any mistakes while driving under this "plan" of yours, you will likely receive jail time.

PR_Glen 05-24-2013 06:21 AM

can't anyone here help him drink and drive??

MrBottomTooth 05-24-2013 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 19638560)
are you sure about that? here in canada you can't drive any cars without an interlock, it doesn't matter who they belong to. you also *have* to have a period where you own a car with an interlock if you ever want to get your license back.

Maybe they have changed it again recently, but it used to be for a first offence you could opt out of the year with the interlock if you wanted. So you basically wouldnt be able to drive at all for 2 years. Rules always seem to keep getting tougher so maybe that is not the case anymore.

Choopa Phil 05-24-2013 06:41 AM

I will send you a compressed air canister with my 0.00 BAC breath inside. I accept Bitcoins and Paypal for payment.

docputer 05-24-2013 06:50 AM

I know a guy in Kansas who went the year or whatever it was without driving. Had his girlfriend(my daughter) take him everywhere.
At the end of the year, he went to get his DL reinstated, and the state asked for proof of his interlock. He told them he had not driven in the last year. They told he before he could be reinstated, he had to have an interlock for 12 months. His parents paid for a lawyer to try and fight it, but they ended up having to get the interlock and paying the fee for another year.

Wicked 1 05-24-2013 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 19638260)
Any bright ideas anyone?

Stop posting here and focus on straightening out your life instead of feeling sorry for yourself.

You only get out of life what you put in,clearly based on the judgement against you by the court you put too much alcohol in too often. :helpme

Now there's a bright idea for you. STOP DRINKING !! :thumbsup

Sincerely,

Captain Obvious.

SilentKnight 05-24-2013 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 19638515)
...but the new ones make you hum while you blow

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Grapesoda 05-24-2013 06:59 AM

dude you are a complete fuck up in every regard, and a perfect reason why society needs police, courts and jails :2 cents:

globofun 05-24-2013 07:29 AM

"Yes your honor, I was arrested again.....but, the guys on GoFuckYourself.com had told me I could do it that way!"

L-Pink 05-24-2013 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by globofun (Post 19638738)
"Yes your honor, I was arrested again.....but, the guys on GoFuckYourself.com had told me I could do it that way!"

Lol, he would say that too.

sarettah 05-24-2013 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 19638283)
Technically traveling in your own personal conveyence isn't driving. In fact it is your right.

Wrong. Driving is a privilege not a right.

.

fuzebox 05-24-2013 08:23 AM

Here you need to install it on work vehicles too. :2 cents:

TheSquealer 05-24-2013 08:25 AM

I love these daily updates on white trash dilemmas.

MrBottomTooth 05-24-2013 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 19638836)
Wrong. Driving is a privilege not a right.

.

I think he's referring to those "freemen" that claim everyone has the right to travel. Search youtube for "right to travel traffic stop". There are some great traffic stop videos where these guys claim everything from being able to drive without insurance or license and not having to show ID, etc.

They either end up arrested or the cops walk away confused after 20 minutes of arguing.


L-Pink 05-24-2013 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19638855)
I love these daily updates on white trash dilemmas.

Hilarious !

onwebcam 05-24-2013 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarettah (Post 19638836)
Wrong. Driving is a privilege not a right.

.



"The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

"The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

"The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right." Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941.

In the U.S. a motor vehicle is specifically defined as a contrivance used for commercial purposes. As defined in U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. § 31 : US Code - Section 31: Definitions (6) Motor vehicle. - The term "motor vehicle" means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways in the transportation of passengers, passengers and property, or property or cargo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle

The term "used for commercial puposes" means

"According to 18 USCS § 31, term "used for commercial purposes" means the carriage of persons or property for any fare, fee, rate, charge or other consideration, or directly or indirectly in connection with any business, or other undertaking intended for profit"
http://definitions.uslegal.com/u/use...cial-purposes/

baddog 05-24-2013 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 19638283)
Technically traveling in your own personal conveyence isn't driving. In fact it is your right.

No it is not; and before you repeat your stupid response, having a drivers license is not a right, ergo, driving is not a right.

onwebcam 05-24-2013 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19639879)
No it is not; and before you repeat your stupid response, having a drivers license is not a right, ergo, driving is not a right.

See above and below...


For the record, I have personally asked a police officer while on the stand if he as well as the DA were speaking a language other than English. He admitted they were. It's referred to legalese. The average person doesn't think anything about it but everyone (including jurors) except the lawyers and judges understand that more or less there are two separate languages being spoken in a court room. One of those being English the other legalese.

Now imagine if you are in court for whatever reason in some foreign country and you don't know the language. You would have to hire a local "practicing" lawyer.. Otherwise you're fucked. Welcome to Amerika.

onwebcam 05-25-2013 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19639879)
No it is not; and before you repeat your stupid response, having a drivers license is not a right, ergo, driving is not a right.

BTW I'm awaiting your well educated "give me my social security check because my generation allowed this to happen" reply.

Roald 05-25-2013 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 19638633)
can't anyone here help him drink and drive??

exactly, ridiculous not one of the other rejects got a proper solution huh

onwebcam 05-25-2013 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 19639904)
exactly, ridiculous not one of the other rejects got a proper solution huh

Obviously the answer is to not drink and drive. But there again what definition of drive are we speaking?

Why does there have to be a con job? Do you like being conned? Because either way you look at it there's one group of people who is conning the other when it comes to the legal system.

PR_Glen 05-25-2013 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 19639863)
"The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

"The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

"The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right." Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941.

In the U.S. a motor vehicle is specifically defined as a contrivance used for commercial purposes. As defined in U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. § 31 : US Code - Section 31: Definitions (6) Motor vehicle. - The term "motor vehicle" means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways in the transportation of passengers, passengers and property, or property or cargo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle

The term "used for commercial puposes" means

"According to 18 USCS § 31, term "used for commercial purposes" means the carriage of persons or property for any fare, fee, rate, charge or other consideration, or directly or indirectly in connection with any business, or other undertaking intended for profit"
http://definitions.uslegal.com/u/use...cial-purposes/

all this is taken away once you break the laws and your license is revoked, just like when you murder someone you lose most of your rights. Are you a 14 year old kid trying to argue with adults here or what?

PR_Glen 05-25-2013 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 19639908)
Obviously the answer is to not drink and drive. But there again what definition of drive are we speaking?

Why does there have to be a con job? Do you like being conned? Because either way you look at it there's one group of people who is conning the other when it comes to the legal system.

Oh my bad, you are a 14 year old, carry on...

onwebcam 05-25-2013 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 19639911)
all this is taken away once you break the laws and your license is revoked, just like when you murder someone you lose most of your writes. Are you a 14 year old kid trying to argue with adults here or what?

I could go much further but a license is a privledge to do something which would otherwise be considered illegal. Yes, your company needs a license otherwise it would be illegal. I think I've already proved my point with Supreme Court decisions that traveling isn't a priviledge but a natural right. "Driving" which is considered legally a commercial act is.

Because you can't grasp the fact that you've been conned your whole life shows your 14 year old intelligence level.


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