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Barefootsies 03-18-2013 05:31 PM

Fair Minimum Wage Would Be $22 An Hour
 
Minimum wage raised as high as a skilled tradesman? :Oh crap

Quote:

Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts) is calling for a drastic increase in the minimum wage.

At a Senate Committee Hearing on Health, Education, and Labor, the senator argued that minimum wage could justifiably be raised to $22 an hour. Warren advocated for an increased rate based on a recent study showing what the wage would be if it reflected growth in worker productivity.

"If we started in 1960 and we said that as productivity goes up, that is as workers are producing more, then the minimum wage is going to go up the same. And if that were the case then the minimum wage today would be about $22 an hour," she said.

Warren added “So my question is…With a minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, what happened to the other $14.75? It sure didn’t go to the worker.”
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mineistaken 03-18-2013 05:32 PM

what an idiot (although peasants would like her)

MaDalton 03-18-2013 05:32 PM

I don't think so, Tim...

dyna mo 03-18-2013 05:38 PM

If productivity/performance is the measure for wages, Congress wouldn?t even get a paycheck.

ajrocks 03-18-2013 05:39 PM

Start paying everyone 22 bucks an hour and you'll see the last few jobs left in the US shipped off to India.

Sly 03-18-2013 05:41 PM

This would be a fantastic way to inspire the next mechanical revolution.

brassmonkey 03-18-2013 05:41 PM

the illegals are doing the jobs. :2 cents: tile,carpentry,masonry,plumbing etc... jobs that would pay that much

CyberHustler 03-18-2013 05:42 PM

Should be abolished. You'd be shocked how many Americans would happily take Mexican and Indian wages.

baddog 03-18-2013 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19534374)
I don't think so, Tim...

:1orglaugh

brassmonkey 03-18-2013 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19534372)
Minimum wage raised as high as a skilled tradesman? :Oh crap



FULL STORY

the system is setup to keep blue collar poor :2 cents: $22 isnt going to kill a profitable company. it would keep workers happy and less problems. :2 cents:

tony286 03-18-2013 05:58 PM

Min wage came out of the Fair Labor Standards Act sign into law by FDR in 1938. The law said about min wage: "minimum standard of living necessary for health, efficiency and general well-being, without substantially curtailing employment" It was supposed to be a minimum basic wage,that one could live in.
I had read with inflation, it should be around $10.56 an hour.

mechanicvirus 03-18-2013 06:00 PM

I heard PBBC starts pay @ $17 an hour.

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SilentKnight 03-18-2013 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19534380)
If productivity/performance is the measure for wages, Congress wouldn?t even get a paycheck.

:2 cents::2 cents::thumbsup

PornMD 03-18-2013 06:06 PM

Would it have been better had minimum wage raised along with production? Sure. Would it be good for it to suddenly be raised to that level from what it is now? Fuck no.

tony286 03-18-2013 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PornMD (Post 19534424)
Would it have been better had minimum wage raised along with production? Sure. Would it be good for it to suddenly be raised to that level from what it is now? Fuck no.

Worker productivity in America is very high.
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/ec...y-gets-revised

mineistaken 03-18-2013 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19534410)
the system is setup to keep blue collar poor :2 cents: $22 isnt going to kill a profitable company. it would keep workers happy and less problems. :2 cents:

It actually hurts to read crap like this :1orglaugh
Not to read, but to know that there are people who are dumb as that and they hav the right to vote :Oh crap

ErectMedia 03-18-2013 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19534380)
If productivity/performance is the measure for wages, Congress wouldn?t even get a paycheck.

+1 :thumbsup

MaDalton 03-18-2013 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19534410)
the system is setup to keep blue collar poor :2 cents: $22 isnt going to kill a profitable company. it would keep workers happy and less problems. :2 cents:

I take you dont employ any people...

Sly 03-18-2013 06:16 PM

By the way, $22 isn't really $22. It's more like $33-37, and then you add any benefits on top of that? Get real.

Say hello to skyrocketing unemployment/layoffs.

tony286 03-18-2013 06:21 PM

I dont think it has to be $22, $10.50 to $11 an hour. They can live pretty basic on that and could get a second job if they want to make more money. Of course alot of this is based on the assumption of 40 hrs. Most if not all seem to be 25 hrs and you have to be available whenever we need you which makes getting more than one job very hard to do.

Barefootsies 03-18-2013 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 19534439)
I take you dont employ any people...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19534447)
By the way, $22 isn't really $22. It's more like $33-37, and then you add any benefits on top of that? Get real.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19534447)
Say hello to skyrocketing unemployment/layoffs.


Doctor Dre 03-18-2013 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19534447)
By the way, $22 isn't really $22. It's more like $33-37, and then you add any benefits on top of that? Get real.

Say hello to skyrocketing unemployment/layoffs.

And massive inflation. Inflation isn't only produced by the printing of more fiat money. There are many factors wich triggers it.

tony286 03-18-2013 06:25 PM

"Warren did not appear to be saying the rate should actually be increased to $22 an hour. Rather, she was using the study, which demonstrated flat minimum wage growth coinciding with economic inequality, as a platform for a more realistic increase to the minimum wage."

epitome 03-18-2013 08:36 PM

I think that is like $10/hr. higher than the living wage in Fort Lauderdale.

crockett 03-18-2013 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19534414)
Min wage came out of the Fair Labor Standards Act sign into law by FDR in 1938. The law said about min wage: "minimum standard of living necessary for health, efficiency and general well-being, without substantially curtailing employment" It was supposed to be a minimum basic wage,that one could live in.
I had read with inflation, it should be around $10.56 an hour.

This is about right IMHO. I agree with Sen Warren on a lot of issues but not this one if she really thinks we could actually raise it to $22/hr. My guess is she was just using that as an example/attention grabber and she probably doesn't expect it to ever happen.

A person can live on $10/hr assuming they are getting full 40 hour weeks. It might not be a high standard of living but it is very possible to do so.

GrantMercury 03-18-2013 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19534372)
Minimum wage raised as high as a skilled tradesman?

It would in turn bump up the skilled tradesman's wages.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IYXHiZXuvK...e_Increase.jpg

GrantMercury 03-18-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 19534372)
"If we started in 1960 and we said that as productivity goes up, that is as workers are producing more, then the minimum wage is going to go up the same. And if that were the case then the minimum wage today would be about $22 an hour," she said.

Warren added ?So my question is?With a minimum wage of $7.25 an hour, what happened to the other $14.75? It sure didn?t go to the worker.?

Pretty good fucking question. :thumbsup

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Tom_PM 03-18-2013 09:49 PM

She's not saying it should be raised to $22 an hour though obviously. Just that it's justifiable when compared in the way she did.

They'll push for $9 as Obama said I think? Seems fair. And of course every raise in history has been met with cries that it'll mean less workers hired.. never comes true. We have booms when people have more money to spend. But get ready for the red herrings to come out and beach themselves as usual.

brassmonkey 03-18-2013 09:59 PM

the system is setup on greed. :2 cents: the rich get richer you know the rest :2 cents: olive garden is a great example.

2013 03-18-2013 10:16 PM

this guy must be another republican idiot

Barefootsies 03-19-2013 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 19534591)
I think that is like $10/hr. higher than the living wage in Fort Lauderdale.

Probably more realistic. However you raise the bar, there is always a ripple effect somewhere.

Wizzo 03-19-2013 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 2013 (Post 19534683)
this guy must be another republican idiot

Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts) is neither a guy or republican...:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

brassmonkey 03-19-2013 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Wizzo (Post 19535202)
Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts) is neither a guy or republican...:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

pornguy 03-19-2013 09:26 AM

It would put a lot of businesses out and I personally would have to drop 3 of the 4 I have.

PR_Glen 03-19-2013 09:36 AM

does this mean i have to order my pizza from the Philippines now?

uniquemkt 03-19-2013 11:47 AM

Minimum wage increases can never do more than compensate for inflation. if you raise it artificially, it creates that inflation.

It's all relative, bitches.
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/up...olve-for-x.jpg

Dvae 03-19-2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19534410)
the system is setup to keep blue collar poor :2 cents: $22 isnt going to kill a profitable company. it would keep workers happy and less problems. :2 cents:

At $22 an you can say hello to $15 hamburgers, $10 milkshakes and $10-12 gal. for gas.

tony286 03-19-2013 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uniquemkt (Post 19535558)
Minimum wage increases can never do more than compensate for inflation. if you raise it artificially, it creates that inflation.

It's all relative, bitches.
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/up...olve-for-x.jpg

Actually it doesnt.
http://www.nber.org/papers/w3997

uniquemkt 03-19-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 19535782)

I think you posted the wrong link. That one has nothing to do with the relationship between the minimum wage and inflation.


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