Self-defense using a firearm...
 

You realize it's rather rare to hear of anyone killing someone who claimed it was NOT "self defense". The problem is that everyone seems to think their life is in danger, when they go about blasting their neighbor in the face because of their dog barking, etc. Get in an argument with someone over a parking space, get blasted in the face. Self defense? That's what they all say...

The problem with firearms is that people think they have a license to blow someone's brains out because they feel disrespected... and that loosely translates to them needing to "defend" themselves. More like needing to defend their manhood...

"Self defense" is subjective, and everyone has their own definition. I'd rather not leave my fate up to the guy who is itching to pull the trigger because he's had a bad day, or feels stressed out at work, or who's wife is about to leave him. I don't think you have to be defined as "mentally ill" to fall under the "hyper-emotional", "stressed out" or "on edge" category.

How many people have you heard yell "I'm gonna fucking kill you!" when someone drinks too much? I've certainly heard that a few times in my life. How do you stop that guy when they've got a 9mm on their hip? He has the gun legally... he's not "mentally ill"... he passed the background check. He's just really fucking pissed off that you looked at him weird when he started yelling and pushing people around in a bar... and now he's after you. He wants to protect himself from you.

He's going to "fight for his right to defend himself", and you're now his target. He's not a felon, just someone who's in a major rage at that one moment... and he's got a gun... and he's going to kill you.

He won't be showing up on any mental-illness radar. I think we all been in that guy's presence at some point or another.

This "self defense" stuff is too subjective for the general public.

You're as dumb as that Feinstein cunt. Running off at the mouth and discussing topics that you know nothing about.

Can you show us one state where it is legal to carry a gun into a bar and get drunk? No you can't. But you wouldn't know that because instead of taking a CCW class and educating yourself about gun laws you are here posting with zero knowledge.

Being ignorant is bad enough but spreading your ignorance is even worse.

I'd agree. Just like having a Hummer or a Pitbull, owing a gun is mostly about the owner's nuts, and how he feels about them.

Take for instance, the name of the guy who called you a dumb cunt.

Yup, i keep saying this. Living in the US you shouldn't be worried about that burglar you most likely will never see in your life but about all the responsible gun owners walking around with guns for self defense.
And that's exactly the reason why i'm so happy to live in a country where only criminals have guns. I wouldn't want it any other way.
No smart person would.

Yes because a persons screen name determines if they know what they are talking about or not.

You must know a lot about horse cock.

the reality is you shoot and kill someone with a gun, for any reason you are going to jail while they sort everything thing out... and there is also a good chance you will be sued by the 'dead persons' family no matter why you shot them and if there is 'political racism' involved you stand even a bigger chance of going to prison.

That first commenter, despite his insults, was absolutely right m'man.

A person is no longer legally able to carry concealed if they've been drinking. And although I know the scenarios you described make sense in your head, there are 300 million guns owned by 80 million people in this country (HUGE numbers), yet those scenarios aren't playing out on the regular basis we'd expect to see if it was as simple as you made it out to be. Look around at every man, woman and child in this country. Statistically, 1 out of every 4 of them own guns. Road rage is common. Shooting people up is not. 80 million gun owners killed nobody yesterday.

Donny, you are using logic but these anti-gun people don't understand logic. They don't understand that criminals don't obey the law.

They don't realize there are more prescription drug overdose deaths per year than firearm deaths. So why don't we ban prescription drugs? Because that's not something that will solve the issue. Just "banning" things that you don't like or agree with has never been a good solution to a problem.

The bottom line: if I want to own a gun, I'm going to. Stay out of my business and mind your own. People (in this country especially) have a really bad habit of telling other people what they should and shouldn't do. If they tried focusing on themselves and worrying about their own responsibilities instead of worrying why everyone else won't live they same way they do, things might be just a little bit better.

Criminals never obey the law, that's why you dont bother to lock your door or protect your children. After all, if the criminal wants it bad enough they'll just kill everyone in their way, so there's no point whatsoever in regulating the type of weapons that can be manufactured and sold. If guns weren't invented, criminals would have invented them anyway. There's no point to doing anything, criminals will just kill you anyway.

Oh, I almost forgot to post this pic of me with a KRISS Vector :321GFY

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2...2295637019.jpg

Why bother? A criminal could use a drone and strike your house if he really wanted to.

I know right, I guess we should also ban knives too. Anything "dangerous" let's just ban it. And let's put rubber on everything in the streets just incase we crash into it so we don't die. Let's be afraid at every turn we take in life and live our lives drown in fear. Take no risks and just shut ourselves in a little bubble and not go anywhere.

We won't need the rubber. Cars will be banned, too. Thousands die in them each year.

There is a line that you cross when you shoot another person. No matter if the shooting was legal or not, you can spend years in court rooms and hundreds of thousands of dollars defending yourself.

I'm 44 and I've never known anyone any one who has been the victim for a "home invasion". The odds of this happening to me are pretty slim.

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And I have known 2 or 3

Recent news stories where homeowners have shot intruders with guns. (Thumbs up)

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region...t-in-n-phoenix (1/2/13)
http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-ne...dog-ar-596405/ (1/2/13)
http://fox8.com/2013/01/01/homeowner...-in-six-weeks/ (1/1/13)
http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Hom...185179482.html (12/29/12)
http://www.12newsnow.com/story/20434...kills-intruder (12/27/12)
http://www.khou.com/news/local/Burgl...184934511.html (12/27/12)
http://www.examiner.com/article/arme...have-sleepover (12/24/12)
http://www.wral.com/intruder-killed-...sion/11885004/ (12/16/12)
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/1...in-summit.html (12/06/12)
http://fox40.com/2012/11/07/man-shoo...r-in-his-home/ (11/07/12)

These are just a tiny fraction, the list can go on and on and on... this happens on a daily basis.

are there any gun nuts with any legitimate arguments or is it just all ego and flexing for you? I'm on the fence with the whole subject myself but you idiots couldn't create a sound argument if your lives depended on it..

personally? I can defend myself without a gun because i'm not a gigantic pussy...

Just think how big the list is of home invasions where things didn't go so well.
I thing the stats for 2012 are going to be way up on home invasions and store robberies.

Anti-regulation nuts (is it OK to call them that?) complain that people die from all kinds of things so why aren't we banning everything dangerous. So I come along and say why do you lock your house? I'm trying to get people to dredge up the answer from their own dusty attics that regulation is not a ban any more than locking your door is a total ban on all forced entries. They're both preventative measures you do to mitigate possible, potential unwanted damage and carnage.

Also, why own a firearm for protection if you feel that a criminal will always have a bigger illegal weapon than you? Just don't bother and save your money. If a criminal wants to bad enough, they'll kick your house down and murder everyone with their B52 bomber. What do they care about laws? They'll just steal the bomber and use it to rob you.

You might have the legal right of self defense, but you will most likely be required to prove this in court. You just shot another person and perhaps killed someone; The police aren't going to accept your explanation on the spot and allow you to go on your way. At the very least you are going down to the police station for questions. And no matter what, the family of the person shot has the right to sue.

Look at the guy in Florida who shot and killed that kid in self defense, or that man in Texas who shot two or three kids on his property. They are still in court fighting this crap.

here, its forbidden: you have to die but they will record your murder with cameras, then arrest the criminal and reuse your image on tv (+ your childrens if you have some), to show how awful was the criminal and how it is important to make new laws to reduce others' freedom

I agree with a lot of what you said. However - we average about 30 homicides involving firearms every day of the year in America. In over 60% of those, the gun owner is killed with their own weapon! Isn't that ironic?

I was "home invaded" twice at an ex's house. The first time they came with crowbars and the second time they came with guns. Absolutely same result both times, except the one with the crowbar broke someone's arm when he tried to block their entry. Yes, there was a gun in the house for self defense, yes, it was in an easily grabbable place, no, it was not pulled on anyone because it was out of reach and yes, it was used against us after it was found. So... personally I'll take the crowbar over a gun.

You keep bringing up drones like it can't happen? Ever been to a R/C hobby shop or read http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/anar...0974458908&r=1

it can happen, http://diydrones.com/ , already there!

My good friend in high school had his house broken into. The guy who broke into the house had a big survival style knife. (although at the time my friends dad did not know what he was armed with) My friends dad shot and killed the guy. He had his wife, son and 2 daughters in the house to protect.

My friends father ended up being arrested, spending 3 months in jail and going to trial.

While he was eventually found not guilty by a jury, he racked up 10's of 1000's in legal fee's. This caused such great stress on the family that him and his wife ended up getting divorced within the year.

They tell you in classes here that if you do pull the trigger on someone it will cost you the follow,

- at least 10k in legal fee's
- at least 1 week in jail
- most likely your job.
- going though the rest of your life wondering if there could have been a way to avoid taking the life of another human being.


Minnesota is not a stand your ground state. You must have exercised every option to escape before you pull your gun and use it. You can not claim self defense unless you can prove that you felt your life was in danger and there were no possible ways to escape the situation. - be prepared to have a prosecutor pick this apart even if you are 100% right.

When it's in your home and the attacker is dead, it's your word against the DEAD guy, your testimony is a little stronger that way. No one really gives a shit about the invader......

That's amazing - your house was "invaded" twice?

So let me see if I understand this correctly... You were invaded, had a firearm, was unable to pull it out in time, and then later on the firearm was used against you?

advise them to move out of the ghetto?

Thats where intelligence went out the window

He could have have just left the door unlocked and let the guy with the knife have his way with his wife and daughters. I hope the fuck you are kidding if you are suppose to take in considerations for legal fees if your family is in danger and who gives a fuck about a wife that would leave because you defended your family?

having a gun for protection against "intruders" is kinda like wearing a helmet while driving a car...
odds of getting killed in a car accident are 100x greater, yet no one wears a helmet? why not?

I know you guys are having fun with your anecdotes and suppositions, but perhaps I could include some actual research into this discussion?

That study found that there were somewhere between 830,000 and 2.45 million defensive gun uses per year in the United States.

Look up the study by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, “Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun,” Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology 86 (1995): 173

If you are interested in what is ACTUALLY happening regarding guns and self-defense, rather than just what your favorite media outlet chooses to tell you, perhaps you can make a little effort to find out.

Here is a link to the study:

http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/kleckandgertz1.htm






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Better than being dead or worse yet being alive and wondering if you could of done something better to have saved your wifes and kids life!
Stupid law that you can not stand your own ground in your own house!

We are required to wear a seat belt now!

Every gun nut here seems to live in an area full of rapists and murderers and only know people who had their house broken into. Funny how that works.

Well what if you are the target of 3 young guys? Someone with a baseball bat or knife? Or someone with a gun? I don't consider myself a pussy either but most fights end up on the ground and I'm to old for that shit.

As far as ego, I have walked away from conflicts without feeling the least bit of shame. No one wins in a fight. But break into my home and why should I be concerned with shooting you?


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All I can say is your criminals must be very different than the scum we have here. Congratulations on a culture/society that must not be as fucked up as ours.

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