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BlackAndBlue 01-02-2013 02:06 PM

Quoted for Truth
 
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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid (Post 19404397)
Donny, you are using logic but these anti-gun people don't understand logic. They don't understand that criminals don't obey the law.

They don't realize there are more prescription drug overdose deaths per year than firearm deaths. So why don't we ban prescription drugs? Because that's not something that will solve the issue. Just "banning" things that you don't like or agree with has never been a good solution to a problem.

The bottom line: if I want to own a gun, I'm going to. Stay out of my business and mind your own. People (in this country especially) have a really bad habit of telling other people what they should and shouldn't do. If they tried focusing on themselves and worrying about their own responsibilities instead of worrying why everyone else won't live they same way they do, things might be just a little bit better.

AMEN! What a concept -- mind your own business and make decisions based on your personal code of conduct, instead of dictating to everyone else what's "right".

Until you have had to defend yourself with a gun, you have no room to declare anything more than a personal opinion, not as a fact.

Bryan G 01-02-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid (Post 19404397)
Donny, you are using logic but these anti-gun people don't understand logic. They don't understand that criminals don't obey the law.

They don't realize there are more prescription drug overdose deaths per year than firearm deaths. So why don't we ban prescription drugs? Because that's not something that will solve the issue. Just "banning" things that you don't like or agree with has never been a good solution to a problem.

The bottom line: if I want to own a gun, I'm going to. Stay out of my business and mind your own. People (in this country especially) have a really bad habit of telling other people what they should and shouldn't do. If they tried focusing on themselves and worrying about their own responsibilities instead of worrying why everyone else won't live they same way they do, things might be just a little bit better.

Was Adam Lanza a criminal before he killed 20 innocent kids? I don't believe he was.

L-Pink 01-02-2013 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19404872)
Was Adam Lanza a criminal before he killed 20 innocent kids? I don't believe he was.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/479...ll121217wg.jpg

His haircut was criminal.

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Vendzilla 01-02-2013 02:18 PM

well, in the end, this is one solid fact, gun ownership is up and crime has been going down, more states have enacted CCW permits and education of the use of guns is up.

What happened in Newtown was terrible, but we are not the only country to have that happen to.

11 March 2009 at a secondary school in Winnenden, Baden-Württemberg, in southwestern Germany where a 9mm pistol was used and 16 dead, there was also another bad one in 2002 in Erfurt Germany where 15 were shot dead.

Germany being one of the strictest in Gun restrictions in the world.

Elli 01-02-2013 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19404740)
That's amazing - your house was "invaded" twice?

So let me see if I understand this correctly... You were invaded, had a firearm, was unable to pull it out in time, and then later on the firearm was used against you?

The firearm was not mine. It belonged to the owner of the house. The owner was trained in its use. The firearm (handgun) was in the living room, but the owner was in the kitchen during the breakin. There was also a Mossberg shotgun in the bedroom closet, which left it similarly out of reach.

I was in the basement suite with my ex both times. Not fun. Not at all. But everyone survived and noone was hurt other than the broken arm. The bad guys were never caught, but all the got was money and a few jewelry items and my entire CD collection :( so no huge harm was done. The whole ordeal (both times) was done in 10-20 minutes.

I shudder to think how things would have escalated if a gun went off.

Bryan G 01-02-2013 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19404887)
well, in the end, this is one solid fact, gun ownership is up and crime has been going down, more states have enacted CCW permits and education of the use of guns is up.

What happened in Newtown was terrible, but we are not the only country to have that happen to.

11 March 2009 at a secondary school in Winnenden, Baden-Württemberg, in southwestern Germany where a 9mm pistol was used and 16 dead, there was also another bad one in 2002 in Erfurt Germany where 15 were shot dead.

Germany being one of the strictest in Gun restrictions in the world.

It can happen in any country, its happened up here as well. Its just becoming all to common down in the US. I agree that its people that kill people and not guns. However, with guns being to easily accessible in the US it makes in much much easier for a nutjob to go off and kill many people at one go. People that use the argement "well cars kill people" Really when was the last time 27 people were killed by someone in one go?

sandman! 01-02-2013 02:31 PM

more anti gun bullshit coming from where most bullshit in this country comes from

pornmasta 01-02-2013 02:50 PM

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MakingItPay 01-02-2013 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19404447)
There is a line that you cross when you shoot another person. No matter if the shooting was legal or not, you can spend years in court rooms and hundreds of thousands of dollars defending yourself.

I'm 44 and I've never known anyone any one who has been the victim for a "home invasion". The odds of this happening to me are pretty slim.

Better to be dead I guess. You save time and money! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Do you know anybody that shot up a school? Odds are pretty slim, but it makes gun grabbers want to take action though right? :thumbsup

Vendzilla 01-02-2013 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 19404909)
It can happen in any country, its happened up here as well. Its just becoming all to common down in the US. I agree that its people that kill people and not guns. However, with guns being to easily accessible in the US it makes in much much easier for a nutjob to go off and kill many people at one go. People that use the argement "well cars kill people" Really when was the last time 27 people were killed by someone in one go?

Actually, the term road rage was coined during the freeway shootings in Los Angeles in 87 and 88 on the 405, 110 and 10 freeways.

It was weird driving during that time, drivers we becoming courteous drivers for a while, I wasn't use to that.....

Everything kills people, old age kills people, can't stop that. Doctors misdiagnosis kills more people than firearms. People still smoke cigarettes , more deaths than gun related, yet they are still legal.
I hold on to the fact that I want to keep the right to protect myself. If the gun I have legally is more powerful than the idiot that's trying to hurt me, that's in my favor. I didn't have to take a safety course to buy a gun, I had a DD-214 from the military.

woj 01-02-2013 03:14 PM

50 gun nuts...

PornoMonster 01-02-2013 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 19404994)
50 gun nuts...

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atom 01-02-2013 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 19404754)
He could have have just left the door unlocked and let the guy with the knife have his way with his wife and daughters. I hope the fuck you are kidding if you are suppose to take in considerations for legal fees if your family is in danger and who gives a fuck about a wife that would leave because you defended your family?

re-read my post Einstein, I wasn't bashing him using the gun and I am not saying most people think that if their family is in danger. They drill the consequence side of it into you over and over again. They do this so you damn well know that if you pull the trigger, bad things are going to happen YOU and you better be damn sure there was no other way out of the situation.

You think his wife left him because he defended his family? No. She left him because of the #1 reason for divorce, Money. Him being in jail and losing his job, racking up a huge amount of legal fee's caused them to lose their house. It was so much stress in their relationship it destroyed their marriage.

Vendzilla 01-03-2013 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by atom (Post 19405014)
re-read my post Einstein, I wasn't bashing him using the gun and I am not saying most people think that if their family is in danger. They drill the consequence side of it into you over and over again. They do this so you damn well know that if you pull the trigger, bad things are going to happen YOU and you better be damn sure there was no other way out of the situation.

You think his wife left him because he defended his family? No. She left him because of the #1 reason for divorce, Money. Him being in jail and losing his job, racking up a huge amount of legal fee's caused them to lose their house. It was so much stress in their relationship it destroyed their marriage.

I re-read it and my answer stands. I will give no consideration to the life of anyone entering my home to do harm to myself or my family. Not for legal expenses, not for jail time and not for a job I might lose, I will shoot and kill the person that which brings contempt for the safety of my family with extreme prejudice.

I was not blaming you, what I was commenting on was I will not give any consideration to anything other than the safety of my family. No one should!!

As far as the wife, don't care.

I don't give a shit about the Minnesota law, which the citizens there are trying to change. I believe in the US Constitution and if that had happened to me, I would find a lawyer with balls and show the assholes in Minnesota that the US Constitution comes first and the state laws come in 2nd. That Patrick Henry said "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense?" Then I would sue the bastards that put me in Jail! I would sue the state that allows that to happen and I would be very vocal about it! I would create so much hate for a state government that would do that to one of it's citizens that politicians would lose their jobs.

I will not shoot anyone to protect property, but if I feel that my life or the life of family is in peril, I will do what it takes to end that feeling.

Those idiots according to their legal system in that state would have put this kid in Jail and sued the parents.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...der/55782484/1

The people that are pushing gun control right now?
"Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
Sara Brady
Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.


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