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blackmonsters 10-04-2011 01:45 PM

Critique my Flv player Please. Honest opinions!
 
OK, I got negative comments about my buttons so I have tried to make a whole
new look.

http://slomoplayer.com

How does it look now?
Honest opinions appreciated.

Seriously, I want to know what will make this a good player for your website.

Thanks

WarChild 10-04-2011 02:03 PM

I think it looks pretty good. Easy to understand and use. I'm no expert in this kind of thing though.

Tempest 10-04-2011 02:06 PM

I really like the idea of your player that's for sure..

- Clicking the video area should pause/start the video.

- Skin isn't all that appealing when compared to the standard players. Really needs some work there. Would be good to be able to build your own skin like flowplayer.

- using things like slowmo is confusing. You should be able to set it while the video is paused. Kept trying to get it to work, figured it was broken, and then I finally clicked on it while the video was playing.

- Seems that a bunch of things require the video to be playing before they will work. For example, I can't seek while the video is paused while I can in jwplayer/flowplayer.

Basically, you need it to function like flowplayer/jwplayer and then add on your cool features.

blackmonsters 10-04-2011 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 18469234)
I think it looks pretty good. Easy to understand and use. I'm no expert in this kind of thing though.

Thanks, I got hosed on the way it looked before.

Here is the original player :

http://www.pornsceneindex.com/Watch/...y_Blonde_Rocks

DWB 10-04-2011 02:09 PM

Not bad. Maybe lose the gradient. On a single color the buttons would pop a little more, and perhaps keep the PLAY / RW/ FF on one side, with the LOOP, SLOW, and audio on the other.

blackmonsters 10-04-2011 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 18469240)
I really like the idea of your player that's for sure..

- Clicking the video area should pause/start the video.

- Skin isn't all that appealing when compared to the standard players. Really needs some work there. Would be good to be able to build your own skin like flowplayer.

- using things like slowmo is confusing. You should be able to set it while the video is paused. Kept trying to get it to work, figured it was broken, and then I finally clicked on it while the video was playing.

- Seems that a bunch of things require the video to be playing before they will work. For example, I can't seek while the video is paused while I can in jwplayer/flowplayer.

Basically, you need it to function like flowplayer/jwplayer and then add on your cool features.

Yep, the play button has to be clicked before the slomo will work.

It was easier to set it up that way since I didn't need to execute the play functions.
But that is something that can be done for sure.

I didn't think about seeking while paused so good point!

I will continue to work on it.

Mutt 10-04-2011 02:22 PM

i think the slowmo and the loop feature are great, the player control bar and buttons looks cheesey. just copy one of the nice JW Player skins or Vimeo's player.

you are an Actionscript programmer?

anybody know if JW or Flowplayer have slowmo and loop plug-ins?

blackmonsters 10-04-2011 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18469255)
Not bad. Maybe lose the gradient. On a single color the buttons would pop a little more, and perhaps keep the PLAY / RW/ FF on one side, with the LOOP, SLOW, and audio on the other.

I like the idea of a solid color. I was thinking that people wouldn't think I tried to
make it look good though. Hmmmmmmm?

I split the buttons because I wanted to make the progress bar centered but not make it
shorter. That's a tough one because when looping a long video the "start" and "end" buttons
get really close making it tricky to get the exact loop of something short like a cumshot.

blackmonsters 10-04-2011 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 18469285)
i think the slowmo and the loop feature are great, the player control bar and buttons looks cheesey. just copy one of the nice JW Player skins or Vimeo's player.

you are an Actionscript programmer?

anybody know if JW or Flowplayer have slowmo and loop plug-ins?

Well, I can't really copy their buttons I think.
I'm distributing the player so maybe that is not in their license.

Yes, I'm an Actionscript programmer.

I doubt these other players have plugins for loop and slomo because I would have
used their players instead of making this one.

I searched for a way to do this but found nothing short of using Flash Media Server
or encoding multiple videos at different speeds.

I didn't make this player with any intentions of selling but after using it for a while
I decided to see if other webmasters might want to use it.

I love using it when I'm watching porn.

I loop the cumshot and slomo that MoFo everytime. :1orglaugh

My gawd, the stuff you don't see at regular speed!

CyberHustler 10-04-2011 04:02 PM

I haven't read the other comments, but I'm on morphine and don't want to right now. I don't like the gradient and colorful slow button. Makes it look old school and "bling bling" ish. Great idea though, I might give it a try on one of my fight video sites. Bookmarked this thread.

Check these out to see popular video player skins so you can see what the people want: http://www.longtailvideo.com/addons/...larity&dir=asc

alias 10-04-2011 04:11 PM

Seems to work pretty well here, looks good.

blackmonsters 10-04-2011 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 18469473)
I haven't read the other comments, but I'm on morphine and don't want to right now. I don't like the gradient and colorful slow button. Makes it look old school and "bling bling" ish. Great idea though, I might give it a try on one of my fight video sites. Bookmarked this thread.

Check these out to see popular video player skins so you can see what the people want: http://www.longtailvideo.com/addons/...larity&dir=asc

I took a look at those skins, I liked most of them except this one :

http://www.longtailvideo.com/addons/...184/Trekkie?q=

WTF!!!!

Those players have been around for a long time and that allowed them to develop
a lot of skins. I will develop new skins over time for sure.

Bottom line, surfers don't care. The whole thing disappears when they play the video.
My task is clearly to make webmasters like it. That's hard. :1orglaugh

I think the novelty of the features of loop and slow motion will win the surfers
faster then the webmaster. Webmasters are super critical because they know the
inner workings of websites and know what "good design" is. Surfers don't know that
and I don't think they actually care. They care if it works and they see the video.

But I will definitely work on some new skins as things progress.

:thumbsup

blackmonsters 10-04-2011 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alias (Post 18469483)
Seems to work pretty well here, looks good.

Thanks bro.

I hope you try it out on your sites.

I'm really excited about it, but of course, I made it so......................

I need to stick to programming because at least I invented something with this player,
I never invent anything in porn. I don't really know much about porn.
I'm just a programmer that said "Wow, they let you sign up and start working
right away in porn, no hassles". So I built sites without really understanding
what surfers really want in porn. I just throw up categories of porn and that's all
I really know about it. Some people will say "just do what you like"; but that is not
all there is to it.

harvey 10-04-2011 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 18469285)
i think the slowmo and the loop feature are great, the player control bar and buttons looks cheesey. just copy one of the nice JW Player skins or Vimeo's player.

you are an Actionscript programmer?

anybody know if JW or Flowplayer have slowmo and loop plug-ins?

Flowplayer has backwards and forward slow motion, check out http://flowplayer.org/plugins/streaming/slowmotion.html

halfpint 10-04-2011 05:40 PM

I like it very easy to use but the buttons could do with some work to make them stand out more

I actually like the shadow too looks like the player is floating

I havent been taking drugs ..BTW LOL

georgeyw 10-04-2011 05:43 PM

Great functionality, just needs a designer to make it look the part - goodluck with it, loved the way you have setup the loop and slowmo (as others have said).

HomerSimpson 10-04-2011 05:58 PM

it sucks the whole 100%

Overload 10-04-2011 06:14 PM

hmm, not bad at all ... but the colored SLOW button looks like a sore thumb there :/ ehm, and call me nitpicky, but the FF/RW arrows look edgy to me ... those shud b smoother imo ... else, nice approach to some new features in a flv player ;)

drmadcat 10-04-2011 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 18469628)
Great functionality, just needs a designer to make it look the part - goodluck with it, loved the way you have setup the loop and slowmo (as others have said).

:2 cents:

blackmonsters 10-04-2011 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harvey (Post 18469608)
Flowplayer has backwards and forward slow motion, check out http://flowplayer.org/plugins/streaming/slowmotion.html

http://flowplayer.org/plugins/streaming/slowmotion.html

Quote:

The Wowza Media Server supports slow motion and fast play. The Slow Motion plugin provides these features to Flowplayer. The Wowza server is required when using this plugin.
The slomoplayer plays slow motion without Wowza or Flash Media Server.

One point for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slomoplayer has 4 slow speeds, that plugin has just 2.
The video restarts a little when changing speeds; not on slomoplayer however.

I could add backward slowmotion, but don't really think it is useful.
Fast forward might be good but not really felling that for adult applications.
Slow motion means the surfers see more, fast forward means the surfer sees less.

blackmonsters 10-04-2011 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Overload (Post 18469685)
hmm, not bad at all ... but the colored SLOW button looks like a sore thumb there :/ ehm, and call me nitpicky, but the FF/RW arrows look edgy to me ... those shud b smoother imo ... else, nice approach to some new features in a flv player ;)

Maybe the solution is to do the buttons in photoshop.

I drew the graphics inside of flash.
That's best when the graphics change size, but that's not so relevant in this player.
The size changes based on the size someone sets the player but it's never going to
be huge and pixelate.

georgeyw 10-04-2011 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 18469703)
http://flowplayer.org/plugins/streaming/slowmotion.html



The slomoplayer plays slow motion without Wowza or Flash Media Server.

One point for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slomoplayer has 4 slow speeds, that plugin has just 2.
The video restarts a little when changing speeds; not on slomoplayer however.

I could add backward slowmotion, but don't really think it is useful.
Fast forward might be good but not really felling that for adult applications.
Slow motion means the surfers see more, fast forward means the surfer sees less.

Fast forward means they get to the spot they want without skipping 5 minutes of footage too.

Brent 3dSexCash 10-04-2011 07:41 PM

I think you should also consider a "web2.0" sort of style for your site instead of the current one. Just a thought....

cooldude7 10-04-2011 07:57 PM

it looks shitty, in full screen., with all colors and things., looks like we are still in 90's
in the whole the idea sucks., why do i need to watch video in slow motion ?

this is not the first time i have seen your site., i have seen it previously and out of curiosity i checked that slomo player and i didn't liked the idea and the player.

i only liked the function loop video.,
else the color filters and that much buttons , make your player for geeks and not for regular users.,


no offence. just my opinion.

blackmonsters 10-04-2011 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 18469768)
Fast forward means they get to the spot they want without skipping 5 minutes of footage too.

True, but that also means using Wowza or Flash Media Server.
Without those or some other streaming software, you can't skip forward in the
video past what is already downloaded anyway. Which means you can just click in the
progress bar and skip forward just as fast if there is no streaming server.

In other words : 95% of webmasters are not going to be able to fast forward in a
way that even matters since they are not going to run wowza or Flash media server.
Those 95% will only fast forward through what they already saw when the video was
downloading. So, I might add it, but I don't think it will make people who don't use
wowza say "wow! This is great".

FlexxAeon 10-04-2011 08:10 PM

agreeing with the masses here. just needs a makeover and it'll be more appealing. had a few UI quirks but that could also be handled with a more clean/intuitive design

find a designer who can lay you out a player mock in illustrator, grouping the elements so you can easily export and turn them into clips. i doubt it would cost that much as it's a pretty flat & easy job. then you can take their main elements and expand from there, following their general design scheme.

the player concept itself is great

FlexxAeon 10-04-2011 08:15 PM

or....

why don't you take one of the preset player skins and just dick around with the vectors until it looks "custom" and follow their design scheme for your extra buttons/clips/etc?

blackmonsters 10-04-2011 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooldude7 (Post 18469795)
it looks shitty, in full screen., with all colors and things., looks like we are still in 90's
in the whole the idea sucks., why do i need to watch video in slow motion ?

this is not the first time i have seen your site., i have seen it previously and out of curiosity i checked that slomo player and i didn't liked the idea and the player.

i only liked the function loop video.,
else the color filters and that much buttons , make your player for geeks and not for regular users.,


no offence. just my opinion.

OK, you like the loop and hate the colors and slow motion.
But did you cum when you jacked to a loop? :winkwink:

All the buttons fade away if you move the mouse away from them so that helps.

I will do a new design soon.

blackmonsters 10-04-2011 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brent 3dSexCash (Post 18469782)
I think you should also consider a "web2.0" sort of style for your site instead of the current one. Just a thought....

Web2.0 style?

Explain.

I don't know what web2.0 style means.
I thought web2.0 was using a flv player for videos. :1orglaugh

FlexxAeon 10-04-2011 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 18469822)
Web2.0 style?

Explain.

I don't know what web2.0 style means.
I thought web2.0 was using a flv player for videos. :1orglaugh

rule #1 of web 2.0 style
lose the gradients!
:winkwink:

harvey 10-04-2011 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 18469703)
http://flowplayer.org/plugins/streaming/slowmotion.html



The slomoplayer plays slow motion without Wowza or Flash Media Server.

One point for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slomoplayer has 4 slow speeds, that plugin has just 2.
The video restarts a little when changing speeds; not on slomoplayer however.

I could add backward slowmotion, but don't really think it is useful.
Fast forward might be good but not really felling that for adult applications.
Slow motion means the surfers see more, fast forward means the surfer sees less.

I just answered a direct question from Mutt, no attack to you or anything, don't be so defensive. Plus, I contacted you to do some cool design for YOUR player FOR FREE and you asked me to... PAY YOU! You could have got EXACTLY what people is asking you for and you couldn't even realize it. Furthermore, you deny it:

Quote:

Webmasters are super critical because they know the
inner workings of websites and know what "good design" is. Surfers don't know that
and I don't think they actually care. They care if it works and they see the video.
Despite the truth (or not) of this, I have news for you: you want to sell to... WEBMASTERS!

Maybe you should just slow down, get down your horse and try a more humble and proactive way. You could be selling lots of copies but you're so stubborn and greedy you can't even see reality. Comparing your player to the best in the market and even charging more than the top player in the market won't be of any help.

And as cool and novelty a "loop feature" can be, I'm pretty sure most webmasters will take the player with more features (specially those that actually MAKE MONEY) rather than a novelty. In other words: you can't compete with the best with something that looks as a bad crack trip (your first version) or a super amateurish "I don't give a fuck" look.

Just my humble opinion, of course :2 cents:

harvey 10-04-2011 08:30 PM

The funny part is I sent someone your way yesterday. Hope you act smart and take good care of him, you're making Paul Markham look as a very thoughtful and coherent person

blackmonsters 10-04-2011 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon (Post 18469807)
agreeing with the masses here. just needs a makeover and it'll be more appealing. had a few UI quirks but that could also be handled with a more clean/intuitive design

find a designer who can lay you out a player mock in illustrator, grouping the elements so you can easily export and turn them into clips. i doubt it would cost that much as it's a pretty flat & easy job. then you can take their main elements and expand from there, following their general design scheme.

the player concept itself is great

Not able to pay anyone at the moment.

$36 left to my name.

Nothing but bacon, sausage and eggs in the fridge.
Hoping that will last 3 weeks.

Hot water heater is turned off to save electricity.
Furnace turned off too.
Working in a closed off room so my body heat will help heat the room.

Just praying that my dogfart check is not 2 weeks late like last time.

I love life, at least what I've heard about it.


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blackmonsters 10-04-2011 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harvey (Post 18469833)
I just answered a direct question from Mutt, no attack to you or anything, don't be so defensive. Plus, I contacted you to do some cool design for YOUR player FOR FREE and you asked me to... PAY YOU! You could have got EXACTLY what people is asking you for and you couldn't even realize it. Furthermore, you deny it:



Despite the truth (or not) of this, I have news for you: you want to sell to... WEBMASTERS!

Maybe you should just slow down, get down your horse and try a more humble and proactive way. You could be selling lots of copies but you're so stubborn and greedy you can't even see reality. Comparing your player to the best in the market and even charging more than the top player in the market won't be of any help.

And as cool and novelty a "loop feature" can be, I'm pretty sure most webmasters will take the player with more features (specially those that actually MAKE MONEY) rather than a novelty. In other words: you can't compete with the best with something that looks as a bad crack trip (your first version) or a super amateurish "I don't give a fuck" look.

Just my humble opinion, of course :2 cents:

Gee, and you think I'm defensive. Read your own reply.

How am I charging more when the player is free?

Sorry that I used a big font to say "without" because evidently that irritated you more
than anything I actually said.

About you contacting me to do a cool design :

You said : "You cannot use the design I'm thinking about for anyone else".

But you didn't want to pay for an exclusive design.

Why would any programmer do a free design for you but you have a contract where the
programmer cannot reuse the design. How does the programmer survive like that?

blackmonsters 10-04-2011 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harvey (Post 18469835)
The funny part is I sent someone your way yesterday. Hope you act smart and take good care of him, you're making Paul Markham look as a very thoughtful and coherent person

Well, you must give bad directions since the person you sent never showed up.

:1orglaugh

harvey 10-04-2011 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 18469853)
Gee, and you think I'm defensive. Read your own reply.

How am I charging more when the player is free?

Sorry that I used a big font to say "without" because evidently that irritated you more
than anything I actually said.

About you contacting me to do a cool design :

You said : "You cannot use the design I'm thinking about for anyone else".

But you didn't want to pay for an exclusive design.

Why would any programmer do a free design for you but you have a contract where the
programmer cannot reuse the design. How does the programmer survive like that?

what are you talking about? I said I WOULD PROVIDE THE DESIGN so you just add it to the player (5 mins? 10 mins?) Really no idea what are you talking about here. And yes, you asked me to PAY YOU for an X amount of licenses in advance (don't remember and don't have the mails).

Uh, and btw, your player isn't free. It's free only with deactivated features, then it has a price tag for sites that don't charge (???) and then ANOTHER price tag for sites with subscription based models. Am I lying? Thus, last time I checked $99.95 is more than $95 (FP) or $89 (JW)

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 18469855)
Well, you must give bad directions since the person you sent never showed up.

:1orglaugh

and with this attitude don't expect much people to contact you. Did it occur to you that MAYBE people has other times and other things to do and MAYBE they could be contacting you tomorrow? Seriously, do whatever you want, if you don't care about your own business why should I? I tried to help you make sales, people is trying to help you with their input and you keep on your stubborn ways. Anyway, good luck with your stuff :thumbsup

blackmonsters 10-04-2011 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harvey (Post 18469894)
what are you talking about? I said I WOULD PROVIDE THE DESIGN so you just add it to the player (5 mins? 10 mins?) Really no idea what are you talking about here. And yes, you asked me to PAY YOU for an X amount of licenses in advance (don't remember and don't have the mails).

Uh, and btw, your player isn't free. It's free only with deactivated features, then it has a price tag for sites that don't charge (???) and then ANOTHER price tag for sites with subscription based models. Am I lying? Thus, last time I checked $99.95 is more than $95 (FP) or $89 (JW)



and with this attitude don't expect much people to contact you. Did it occur to you that MAYBE people has other times and other things to do and MAYBE they could be contacting you tomorrow? Seriously, do whatever you want, if you don't care about your own business why should I? I tried to help you make sales, people is trying to help you with their input and you keep on your stubborn ways. Anyway, good luck with your stuff :thumbsup


Bullshit!

Bottom line : You wanted me to do something for free but only if I would not use it for
anyone else.

Sorry bro, but what good is that to me or anyone else?

You wanted me to agree to risk being sued for making my own player and you were
not even going to pay for that.

I did agree that I would make you an exclusive player for you to resell in your designs
but I asked for $10 per license but you had to buy in bulk, at least the first time,
for a total of $300.

So you hit the road running when you heard $300.
You didn't want to pay $300 fo 30 players that you would sale for $900.

End of Story.

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blackmonsters 10-04-2011 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harvey (Post 18469894)
so you just add it to the player (5 mins? 10 mins?)

Flash takes 5 mins just to start up.


:2 cents:

potter 10-04-2011 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 18469922)
Flash takes 5 mins just to start up.


:2 cents:

You need a new computer.

As everyone else has stated, you need a better skin. If you're starting out, you need to go look at the best player skins out there - and yours has to be BETTER.

blackmonsters 10-04-2011 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by potter (Post 18469932)
You need a new computer.

As everyone else has stated, you need a better skin. If you're starting out, you need to go look at the best player skins out there - and yours has to be BETTER.

I have a new computer. My remark was hyperbole.

Well, this is not my first try at making a skin that webmasters like so I'm doubting that
magic will happen on the next try.

I hope the function of the player will be the deciding factor for now.

I have never stopped surfing a website because I didn't like the player buttons, but
I do stop if the player doesn't work.

Some will choose design over functionality.
Yahoo has a much better design than Google but it's not enough to keep them
competitive.


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