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Paul Markham 11-29-2006 03:57 AM

Two interesting experiments on the paysites.
 
Trying to see what effect price and exclusive has to the surfers.

So on www.paulmarkhamporn.com and www.paulmarkhamcherrypoppers.com/tour/ I have introduced a 2 GBP 3 day trial sign up. Will be interesting to see how many go for this, how many rebill and how much more money we make. :gold:

On the main site we have added the words "Exclusive to PMTeens" in each exclusive set or videos window.

http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com/memb...ll=1&orderby=7

Both will be interesting experiments and I will keep you up to date on the changes. Only made them today so it's too early to tell.

Paul Markham 11-29-2006 05:26 AM

No one got any opinions?

Nylz 11-29-2006 05:35 AM

Uhm.. a trial isn't really 'new' or anything..

btw, you should center the text and images on your join page
http://www.paulmarkhamcherrypoppers....ur/join-us.php

it's on the left now, doesn't look too pretty!

fabianb 11-29-2006 05:40 AM

Most here don't know what GBP stands for ;-)

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viva celebs 11-29-2006 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by fabianb (Post 11413656)
Most here don't know what GBP stands for ;-)

->

then most here must be simple

Thumbler 11-29-2006 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by viva celebs (Post 11413685)
then most here must be simple

They are :2 cents:

Turf 11-29-2006 07:00 AM

so you are trying to "trick" people into thinking the membership is cheaper because they see the £2 before they see the $3.60 price ?

sorry but to me that just doesnt make sence snd i think you will be seeing people contacting support not understanding why they where not billed $2 insted of $3.60...

surfers are stupid and "confusing" or "misleading" them this way will just cause you support trouble and chargeback imo..

same goes with when they click on the link and cant find the £2 on the dropdown from ccbill..

Gambit 11-29-2006 07:04 AM

Why would you put the price in a currency that is just gonna help confuse the fuck out of the surfer. Sounds like you could end up with some CB's. A lot of people will not read the small print and think they've been charged too much.

latinasojourn 11-29-2006 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambit (Post 11413976)
Why would you put the price in a currency that is just gonna help confuse the fuck out of the surfer. Sounds like you could end up with some CB's. A lot of people will not read the small print and think they've been charged too much.


have to agree, 50% of our sales come from europe and everything is us dollar priced.

sometimes conversions get lower when the surfer has to make too many decisions.

but every scenario must be tested.

Paul Markham 11-29-2006 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nylz (Post 11413641)
Uhm.. a trial isn't really 'new' or anything..

btw, you should center the text and images on your join page
http://www.paulmarkhamcherrypoppers....ur/join-us.php

it's on the left now, doesn't look too pretty!

Never said any of this was new, just said I was trying it out to compare the response.

Last nights ratios were the same as before, so no changes.

All the guys asking about pricing it in Pound or Dollers. The traffic is 95% from the UK. I think they will understand the pricing. Also not surfer traffic. Just trying it out.

RRRED 11-29-2006 10:57 PM

I always enjoy the fact that you publically test different things even though some people blow you shit. I can't wait to hear your results. Especially if your traffic is 95% from the UK...

tony286 11-29-2006 11:00 PM

I dont like trials,especially in a world where they can download your whole site in a couple of hours.

Paul Markham 11-29-2006 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRRED (Post 11418653)
I always enjoy the fact that you publically test different things even though some people blow you shit. I can't wait to hear your results. Especially if your traffic is 95% from the UK...

I like to get different peoples thoughts on things. It's helful and if others can see how it works they can copy it or not.

Most of the shit blowers are just jealous. :1orglaugh

thebossxxx 11-29-2006 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 11413305)
Trying to see what effect price and exclusive has to the surfers.

So on www.paulmarkhamporn.com and www.paulmarkhamcherrypoppers.com/tour/ I have introduced a 2 GBP 3 day trial sign up. Will be interesting to see how many go for this, how many rebill and how much more money we make. :gold:

On the main site we have added the words "Exclusive to PMTeens" in each exclusive set or videos window.



http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com/memb...ll=1&orderby=7

Both will be interesting experiments and I will keep you up to date on the changes. Only made them today so it's too early to tell.

Good luck, looks great! :)

DaddyHalbucks 11-30-2006 12:59 AM

Price is not everything.

Actual sales studies have shown higher sales volumes when prices were raised.

A higher price connotes quality, a lower price, junk.

I would put all prices in US dollars.

Instead of trying to confuse the customer, tell them *why* $4.95/ $9.95/ $19.95/ $29.95 is a good deal, all the exclusive content, etc.etc..

Dirty Dane 11-30-2006 01:11 AM

How come 95% is uk traffic?

Paul Markham 11-30-2006 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 11418669)
I dont like trials,especially in a world where they can download your whole site in a couple of hours.

Don't think this traffic will be that Net savvy, but I take your point on this.

Paul Markham 11-30-2006 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 11419222)
How come 95% is uk traffic?

Because that's where they all live. :1orglaugh

pornpf69 11-30-2006 08:48 AM

share the info with us!!!

TheDoc 11-30-2006 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 11419178)
Price is not everything.

Actual sales studies have shown higher sales volumes when prices were raised.

A higher price connotes quality, a lower price, junk.

I would put all prices in US dollars.

Instead of trying to confuse the customer, tell them *why* $4.95/ $9.95/ $19.95/ $29.95 is a good deal, all the exclusive content, etc.etc..

I have never in my life seen a study that looked at paysites online. Any marketing BS statistics you read often do not apply to adult sites.

Blooddolls or one of them is like 10 or 15 bucks a month, the sites do well from what I can tell. We have tested from $20 to $30, a lot.. Sales ratios didn't change, revenue went up, however natural trial to conversions went down. Up to $35 and $40 a month, first month retention went down, sales went down, trial to converts went down. The question comes down to how much do I pay my webmasters per sale and does the price difference cover the lost sales?

The price trick is done to cover webmaster payouts. If we pay $35 pps we charge the members more.. Simple as that.


Hey Paul, if you change the text to "euro debit and credit cards" or something like that you can remove the price symbol, the text as a billing option will pull better.

Paul Markham 12-01-2006 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by pornpf69 (Post 11420859)
share the info with us!!!

Too early to tell any trend except the last few days there have been a few less go to the join forms page.

Will keep everyone informed as we move along.

webgurl 12-01-2006 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 11418669)
I dont like trials,especially in a world where they can download your whole site in a couple of hours.


There is this wonderful thing called "limited trials" as i recall
SocalCash started it aka Naughty America . :winkwink:

studiocritic 12-01-2006 05:56 AM

this entire test is susceptible to being skewed by a downtrend, or any other random things..

while interesting, its' results will be statistically meaningless unless you do proper A/B testing

Paul Markham 12-01-2006 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by studiocritic (Post 11427723)
this entire test is susceptible to being skewed by a downtrend, or any other random things..

while interesting, its' results will be statistically meaningless unless you do proper A/B testing

Very true.

If one month the traffic that comes stops signing up and the next month the traffic start signing up again. For no reason what so ever it will make the whole experiment rendered useless.

What's the odds of that then?

Tam 12-01-2006 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 11418669)
I dont like trials,especially in a world where they can download your whole site in a couple of hours.

Exactly, and once they find out your pattern in your updates, which is very easy to do, they will come in for a couple of bucks, download the updates and cancel on you. If they do this once a week, they are still basically getting full access to all of your content for less than half the price of a full membership. MOST surfers don't go into a paysite every single day anyway, so this works out well for them and their cards aren't charged for a recurring membership.

This is my opinion though, from what I have experienced.

BlackCrayon 12-01-2006 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 11420240)
Because that's where they all live. :1orglaugh

what a stupid reply. i'm sure you know thats not what he meant.

Paul Markham 12-02-2006 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tam (Post 11429444)
Exactly, and once they find out your pattern in your updates, which is very easy to do, they will come in for a couple of bucks, download the updates and cancel on you. If they do this once a week, they are still basically getting full access to all of your content for less than half the price of a full membership. MOST surfers don't go into a paysite every single day anyway, so this works out well for them and their cards aren't charged for a recurring membership.

This is my opinion though, from what I have experienced.

I tend to agree with you about this. The idea of a trial just does not sit right with the complaint that surfers are getting more educated and some paying out $30 for a $2.99 trial join.

Then are there guys who go for the $2.99 once a week or once a month and not looking to spend $30 to jerk off once in a while?

I'm testing this theory with this site. www.5dollarsporn.com/petra. It's the first one to go live and the idea is to sell to the guy who only wants a quick thrill tonight. Will be part of a whole family of sites www.5dollarsporn.com/ got 4 there now, two about to come and 30 in the pipeline.

Just testing out one of my hair brain schemes that has been done by others. Nothing clever or unique about it and it's doomed to failure.

Paul Markham 12-02-2006 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornpf69 (Post 11420859)
share the info with us!!!

These are the figures for the last few days and the week before.


2006-11-19 1:832 Sunday

2006-11-20 1:824 Monday

2006-11-21 1:397 Tuesday

2006-11-22 1:344 Wednesday

2006-11-23 1:400 Thursday

2006-11-24 1:593 Friday

2006-11-25 1:424 Saturday

2006-11-26 1:346 Sunday

2006-11-27 1:518 Monday

2006-11-28 1:664 Tuesday

2006-11-29 1:1008 Wednesday The test started here.

2006-11-30 1:728 Thursday

2006-12-01 1:749 Friday


Hard to tell at the moment.

Except it, not better.

loco12 12-02-2006 03:44 AM

HI Paul, i haven't done cheap trials for years. At first I was offering free for three days, then $19.95 ( about 1997) Then when free trials ended I went to $2.95 for three days, recurring at $24.95.

But for the last 5 years I have never offered a free or cheap trial. Wan't to come into my site? That's $29.95 please. And you know what? Signups stayed the same. With so much software out there able to suck your site dry in a couple of days, they can be in and out have have your whole site mirrored on their HD, to jerk off at leisure. All for £2.

Sell them the exclusivity. But if they want to see those pics no one else has got, it costs them a full month. Or they can go elsewhere. You have great content.

Never undersell your site.

The Ghost 12-02-2006 04:59 AM

Thanks for sharing the experiment Paul. Whether it was successful or a failure, you could have very easily kept the information to yourself like 99.99% of programs do :)

Paul Markham 12-02-2006 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 11429490)
what a stupid reply. i'm sure you know thats not what he meant.

I know what he meant, just not telling him and wanted to make a joke. Shoot me for it. :1orglaugh

Paul Markham 12-02-2006 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loco12 (Post 11435762)
HI Paul, i haven't done cheap trials for years. At first I was offering free for three days, then $19.95 ( about 1997) Then when free trials ended I went to $2.95 for three days, recurring at $24.95.

But for the last 5 years I have never offered a free or cheap trial. Wan't to come into my site? That's $29.95 please. And you know what? Signups stayed the same. With so much software out there able to suck your site dry in a couple of days, they can be in and out have have your whole site mirrored on their HD, to jerk off at leisure. All for £2.

Sell them the exclusivity. But if they want to see those pics no one else has got, it costs them a full month. Or they can go elsewhere. You have great content.

Never undersell your site.

As you can see I'm selling them exclusivity on the experiment on the main paysite and not having any effect on traffic/sign ups.

As for price, well I am trying this?

A mini porn site for $5.00

http://www.5dollarsporn.com/bitmaps/fb_petra.jpg

I think we market a lot to the guys who want to spend $30, so we can pay affiliates, and ignore a lot who only want to jerk off tonight. They don't need a months membership, so resort to the free stuff.

Now I need to get traffic to it.

After Shock Media 12-02-2006 03:59 PM

To really gauge the effectiveness in a study I personally think you should have an entry script. One that randomizes which versions of your tour and price points the potential customers receive. That way it better reduces the chances of odd traffic patterns and the like.

Tam 12-02-2006 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 11435617)
Then are there guys who go for the $2.99 once a week or once a month and not looking to spend $30 to jerk off once in a while?

NO, they are jerking off everyday to the member's area that they have just downloaded onto their computers. They will come back next week or next month and pay for the updates, download them and then they can jerk off til you update again. PLUS they aren't having their cards hit without them knowing it. It is win win for them, lose lose for you. lol

bjlover 12-02-2006 07:06 PM

wow, cheap trials, & trying to con the surfer, great new inovative ideas you have there

Paul Markham 12-02-2006 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 11439293)
To really gauge the effectiveness in a study I personally think you should have an entry script. One that randomizes which versions of your tour and price points the potential customers receive. That way it better reduces the chances of odd traffic patterns and the like.

I know I should. What we pornographers need is more programs. :winkwink:

Just pulling your leg, I'm only looking for an over all trend.

Incidently the http://www.5dollarsporn.com/petra/ got two sign ups last night. Not bad for a site with no traffic. Maybe someone from here. :winkwink:

Roald 12-03-2006 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 11441137)
I know I should. What we pornographers need is more programs. :winkwink:

Just pulling your leg, I'm only looking for an over all trend.

Incidently the http://www.5dollarsporn.com/petra/ got two sign ups last night. Not bad for a site with no traffic. Maybe someone from here. :winkwink:


Geez paul make a new thread to spam the $5 sites it will get you more attention to them :2 cents:

Paul Markham 12-03-2006 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tam (Post 11440160)
NO, they are jerking off everyday to the member's area that they have just downloaded onto their computers. They will come back next week or next month and pay for the updates, download them and then they can jerk off til you update again. PLUS they aren't having their cards hit without them knowing it. It is win win for them, lose lose for you. lol

So all the sites offering $20 to $30 for a $2.990 trial sign up are not making money. In fact by the time they pay the bandwidth and affiliate bill they are losing money.

So if you're right why are they telling us they are making a fortune out of upsells?

See how my ignorance it letting me down and all this confuses me? :winkwink:

What works for you works for you, others might work it another way.

Paul Markham 12-03-2006 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by QuaShe (Post 11442752)
Geez paul make a new thread to spam the $5 sites it will get you more attention to them :2 cents:

The $5 site was a side issue.

For those looking at the figures this weekends will be out tomorrow.

Paul Markham 12-03-2006 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bjlover (Post 11440174)
wow, cheap trials, & trying to con the surfer, great new inovative ideas you have there

I never said it was new, I just said I was trying out a few things and will tell you the results.

As for conning surfers, would you like to explain how I'm doing that? :mad:


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