Originally Posted by websiex (Post 11237668)

Funny article filled with so many fallacies it isn't even funny... It is pathetic how people read these articles and don't question them or look at the big picture.

For example, it says (referring to Kate Moss), "When she snorted a line of cocaine, she put land mines in Colombia, she killed people in Colombia, she displaced people in Colombia, she helped finance kidnapping,"

Actually, she didn't do that at all and the author of the article is using post hoc arguments by attacking Kate Moss, for the real problem, which is the war in Columbia. In reality, if Kate Moss did kill people and fund kidnapping, she would most likely be in prison on kidnapping and murder charges.

Also, I find this quote funny, "Drug Addiction in Portugal also show cocaine use among young adults in Spain and Britain has doubled in the last decade." This works against the argument of trying to get people to "just say no". The truth is, a lot of people obviously don't, and the proof is that the use has doubled even after a half century "War on Drugs" started by the Nixon Administration.

As long as these "drug wars" continue, there will probably be hot wars between the drug clans. I figure the best solution would be to put drugs on a capitalist market and let companies compete by selling these "illegal" drugs; thus, bringing the drugs out of the black market, and finally putting an end to an otherwise unstoppable drug trade.

Originally Posted by JFK (Post 11237688)

"bringing the drugs out of the black market, and finally putting an end to an otherwise unstoppable drug trade.

Originally Posted by gooddomains (Post 11237776)

I love coke, way better than pepsi :)

Originally Posted by websiex (Post 11237668)

Funny article filled with so many fallacies it isn't even funny... It is pathetic how people read these articles and don't question them or look at the big picture.

For example, it says (referring to Kate Moss), "When she snorted a line of cocaine, she put land mines in Colombia, she killed people in Colombia, she displaced people in Colombia, she helped finance kidnapping,"

Actually, she didn't do that at all and the author of the article is using post hoc arguments by attacking Kate Moss, for the real problem, which is the war in Columbia. In reality, if Kate Moss did kill people and fund kidnapping, she would most likely be in prison on kidnapping and murder charges.

Also, I find this quote funny, "Drug Addiction in Portugal also show cocaine use among young adults in Spain and Britain has doubled in the last decade." This works against the argument of trying to get people to "just say no". The truth is, a lot of people obviously don't, and the proof is that the use has doubled even after a half century "War on Drugs" started by the Nixon Administration.

As long as these "drug wars" continue, there will probably be hot wars between the drug clans. I figure the best solution would be to put drugs on a capitalist market and let companies compete by selling these "illegal" drugs; thus, bringing the drugs out of the black market, and finally putting an end to an otherwise unstoppable drug trade.

Originally Posted by Lazonby (Post 11237897)

How naive.

Coke isn't something people can't live without. If you buy it, you are creating a market for all the death and misery which goes with it.

It's like with child pornography, the people who buy it are just as guilty as the dirty old man sticking his cock up a 3 year old's ass.

Cocaine isn't a drug which could be legalised, since it's so addictive that it's addicted users destroy whatever they touch. This is known.

Cannabis however is a different story........ but even then, the government would have to issue licenses to users, since only a % of people are able to handle consuming it.

Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 11238056)

"legalize it" isn't the answer to everything.

Cocaine is not as simple to let loose on a population as tobacco.

Originally Posted by marko13 (Post 11238007)

i think it will be very good move to legalise it but in known weights... let's say 1 gram per person per day....

Originally Posted by Lazonby (Post 11237897)

How naive.

Coke isn't something people can't live without. If you buy it, you are creating a market for all the death and misery which goes with it.

It's like with child pornography, the people who buy it are just as guilty as the dirty old man sticking his cock up a 3 year old's ass.

Cocaine isn't a drug which could be legalised, since it's so addictive that it's addicted users destroy whatever they touch. This is known.

Cannabis however is a different story........ but even then, the government would have to issue licenses to users, since only a % of people are able to handle consuming it.

Originally Posted by Lazonby (Post 11237897)

Cocaine isn't a drug which could be legalised, since it's so addictive that it's addicted users destroy whatever they touch. This is known.

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 11238929)

i have to call you out on this one

I was a coke addict for a long whlie, almost a 2 ounce a week habit

the only thing I destroyed was myself, I never once involved my friends or family in my coke addiction unless they wanted to partake and party, even then my addiction was my addiction

I also have known a few coke addicts through time, and most of the time the only person they mess up is themselves

you might be referring to meth...meth users are crazy because their brain changes. they literally can turn pyschotic, and in turn destroy everything around them...coke is nothing like that

I have even know crack addicts that lived normal healthy lives, they just like to smoke crack 4-5 times a day, like an alcoholic like to have 4-5 drinks a day

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 11238146)

one word

alcohol

Originally Posted by Lazonby (Post 11239004)

Alcohol is already legal and cocaine is not. Are you saying that cocaine should be legalized just because alcohol is?

Think McFly, think :winkwink:

Originally Posted by Mr. Marks (Post 11237578)

Legalize it. People will use it anyway. If they die or fuck themselves up, it's their fault. It's time the government stops being Nannies to full grown people.

Originally Posted by websiex (Post 11238902)

Not really, I can probably write a book on why the War on Drugs is a stupid idea. Yes, you're right you don't "need" coke, but you don't need tobacco, alcohol, meat, ect... stupid argument filled with logical fallacies.

And speaking of market and death and misery... tobacco, the food corporations (65% of Americans overweight), alcohol; they all have a part in killing people. Example: 450,000 people a year die from smoking related deaths, and alcohol kills around 80,000 people anually. Technically, I think cocaine is a "soft" drug as is heroin. This is because it doesn't do much damage over time with responsibile use, unlike cigarettes which are addictive and have been proven to cause cancer. Heroin on the other hand has been researched as safe to use when used responsibly and not mixed with other drugs.

The best thing about your argument is comparing cocaine use to raping a child... can you say false analogy?

My best advice to you is to take a Critical Thinking class at a local community college, and they maybe you can stand up and debate me on issues. Until then, I suggest you research the topic, use facts, and stop using false analogies.

"destroy whatever they touch. This is known." Who knows this? They destroy everything they touch? I know people who do cocaine, and I have shaken their hand yet I'm still here. Do they make things explode or something? Do they stop society from functioning? How do they destroy things?

Research it, learn about it, and then talk about it when you're ready. Check out "Ethan Nadelmann" on youtube or google. He is a very intelligent man and speaks with rational thought. He is very realistic and knows what is going on.

PS: I don't use cocaine, but I think I should be able to if I wanted. I don't need the government to hold my hand and tell me what and what not to do; on the other hand, people like you do need to be babysitted by the government, and that is one reason why drugs are illegal.

Originally Posted by websiex (Post 11237668)

Funny article filled with so many fallacies it isn't even funny... It is pathetic how people read these articles and don't question them or look at the big picture.

For example, it says (referring to Kate Moss), "When she snorted a line of cocaine, she put land mines in Colombia, she killed people in Colombia, she displaced people in Colombia, she helped finance kidnapping,"

Actually, she didn't do that at all and the author of the article is using post hoc arguments by attacking Kate Moss, for the real problem, which is the war in Columbia. In reality, if Kate Moss did kill people and fund kidnapping, she would most likely be in prison on kidnapping and murder charges.

Also, I find this quote funny, "Drug Addiction in Portugal also show cocaine use among young adults in Spain and Britain has doubled in the last decade." This works against the argument of trying to get people to "just say no". The truth is, a lot of people obviously don't, and the proof is that the use has doubled even after a half century "War on Drugs" started by the Nixon Administration.

As long as these "drug wars" continue, there will probably be hot wars between the drug clans. I figure the best solution would be to put drugs on a capitalist market and let companies compete by selling these "illegal" drugs; thus, bringing the drugs out of the black market, and finally putting an end to an otherwise unstoppable drug trade.

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 11239055)

i think all drugs should be legalized, yes

and not just because alcohol is, but because of many many reasons

Originally Posted by CuriousToyBoy (Post 11238026)

Alcohol and tobacco are legal.

More problems there than all illicit substances combined IMHO.

2c

Originally Posted by Lazonby (Post 11239237)

Well according to my own political views, I'd like to see drugs legalized. I'm all for personal responsibility and the survival of the fittest. But coke, heroin and crack are too dangerous and people are too stupid.

Originally Posted by Lazonby (Post 11239214)

Well let's hope you don't write a book about it. It would be the most expensive toilet paper anyone ever wasted money on since they bought anything by Michael Moore, Noam Chomsky or Robert Fisk. Most amusing was your interpretation of my statement 'destroy everything they touch' as being literal. Lol, are you on coke or something?

Anyway, funny insults aside.

Firstly, cocaine should not be made legal just because other dangerous substances are legal.

Secondly, if people want to fuck up their own bodies then fine, but the thing with coke is that it doesn't just hurt the one taking it, it hurts everyone around them (don't take this literally :1orglaugh ). Only a small amount, taken as a habit, is enough to render a parent or employee useless. The local homeless people where I live tend to have either a problem with booze or coke or both, but what is apparent is that the younger ones are the ones who got hooked on coke. With the alcoholics, at least they lasted longer before they fucked their lives up.
I've worked for several companies which have been run into the ground because of bosses or employees being hooked on coke. I've worked for several companies which have been run by alcoholics but which have still managed to trade, and have never worked for one which has been destroyed by smoking tobacco or weed.

Thirdly, even if it was legal then it would still be smuggled. Since the government would raise a tax on it, it would be expensive enough to make smuggling attractive. In my country (the UK), cigarettes are taxed to the point that currently a pack of twenty costs over $10. Every third cigarette sold in this country is bootleg, the profits of which go to fund amongst other things, people smuggling, terrorism and other delightful ventures.

So, what's the answer? There isn't one. There will always be weak minded people who want to shove things up their nose (I was one of them once) - it's human nature to get high. In my country, there are already too many idiots who drink 12 pints of lager in a row then start a fight. Let's not compound the problem by adding coke to the mix.

I think part of the answer comes with fighting the production and use of the drug, and an education of the population about the global effect of that bit of powder they are snorting. Also it wouldn't hurt for people to be let into the secret that it doesn't really make them look cool and it doesn't make them interesting.

For the minority of people who coke doesn't affect *too* adversely, it sucks that it is illegal. But they have to realise that they live in a society and they are not the only person on earth. Rules are almost always there for a good reason, in Western societies.

Coke isn't weed - it shouldn't be legalized.

Originally Posted by websiex (Post 11239880)

A bad parent is a bad parent; they can do coke, heroin, meth, but in the end they are just a bad parent. Making drugs illegal won't solve that problem in any major way, as we have seen a drug increase over the 40 years of the "War on Drugs".



Coke can fuck you up if you do it every day, so I agree it can fuck you up in the long run. Clean heroin/opiates on the other hand have been proven to not have long term negative effects.



Well, welcome to America, rendering an employee useless isn't really a big deal since he/she can get fired. And besides, life isn't all about work, so some people who use cocaine, don't really care because they are stuck in a working class system where they have a hard time advancing.Also, saying people are obligated to work or are useless is a pretty ignorant statement, because I think people should be able to do what they wish, as long as they don't interfere with other people's freedom.

Cocaine never hurt me, so it obviously doesn't hurt everyone.



So it is ok to "fuck up your life", just so as long as it takes long?



Possibly, but not absolute. That is your opinion, we don't know if it would be smuggled until we tried legalizing it and set the prices.



We tried one solution (War on Drugs). But because the War on Drugs has been a complete failure for 40 years with drug use increasing, that doesn't mean there is no solution. There possibly might be a solution to helping addicts. One solution can be harm reduction, which would help addicts "recover" from their obscene drug use without putting them in the slammer - where they have access to drugs also in some cases.



Everyone who snorts coke is not weak minded, only to you they are weak minded.



We don't know if it will compound the problem. Right now, coke is fairly easy to get anywhere in the United States, so we would have probably seen some major effect if your statement was the case.



I'm not sure how many adults use hard drugs to look cool, but I'd imagine people use drugs to feel euphoric, not impressing their friends.



If you're talking on a nation wide scale, the minority would probably be people affected by cocaine.



Yes, I'm not the only person on Earth, but I only have one life on Earth, so I should be able to do what I want to my body while I am still alive, because I only get one chance.

What can be done is legalize cocaine/heroin, and if people break the law because of drugs or any other reason; treat that as a criminal matter. Don't make just possessing or using the drug a criminal offense. Most drug users aren't violent criminals.



Cocaine was made illegal because the police in the South thought the blacks were using it and gaining super human strength and would rape the white women. This caused a moral panic and the next thing you know, cocaine is illegal. Cocaine is illegal because of racist reasons, you can research that yourself. And during this craze, the guns used by officers were upgraded in calibur because they thought their old lower calibur pistols wouldn't be able to kill the coke crazed negro.

Overall, my stance is that I have one life on Earth and I should be able to enjoy it as I wish to enjoy it. I say make drugs legal; and if people get stupid because of the drugs, use the criminal justice system. As for the people who just use psychoactive substances for recreation, let them enjoy.

We need to take on a harm reduction approach at this point, because prohibition of drugs doesn't work, period. A better option is to decriminalize it and treat addiction to drugs as a health matter. That "just say no" tag is just useless according to statistics, so harm reduction definitely needs to get a fair chance at helping aleve the addicts problem with drugs.