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hydro 11-04-2006 11:00 AM

we have enough idiots doing stupid things while they're clean we don't need them wired up on coke. At least with weed they just sit down and bitch about their girlfriend and when they get drunk they just wanna fight whoever looks at them funny.

dustin101 11-04-2006 11:01 AM

Cocaine is what made south america great.

squishypimp 11-04-2006 11:02 AM

people don´t realize that if we legalize it, the country´s welfare system will go to shit. our tax dollars will be going towards addicts and "helping" these people out.

amateurcanada 11-04-2006 12:01 PM

Drink lots of coffee and leave cocaine in the ground - does the same thing LOL

Basic_man 11-04-2006 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Booger (Post 11239376)

Holy shit! That's alot of coke !!

amateurcanada 11-04-2006 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Basic_man (Post 11240335)
Holy shit! That's alot of coke !!

LOL what if someone gave you that, would you keep it LOL

tASSy 11-04-2006 12:09 PM

i'll admit i haven't read the article yet, but it seems to me that cocaine is becoming more mainstream - references in movies, television shows on mainstream channels, etc. even coca cola's new ads have dropped the extra letters and refer to everything as "coke" - i.e. mycokerewards.com.

coke is becoming "cool" like marijuana was becoming cool a decade ago. what's next, heroin? i think adults should be allowed to make their own decisions about what they put in their body, but if all of media tells children that xyz drug is cool now, who're they going to listen to? it comes back to the parents educating their children. okay, i'm off my soapbox now. :upsidedow

websiex 11-04-2006 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by squishypimp (Post 11240078)
people don´t realize that if we legalize it, the country´s welfare system will go to shit. our tax dollars will be going towards addicts and "helping" these people out.

Your tax dollars? Haha... I don't think you understand the issue.

Right now there are tens of thousands of US citizens in prison on marijuana charges alone. It is estimated to cost about $50,000 a year to keep a person in prison. By legalizing drugs we would be saving tax dollars, plus actually helping people recover rather then locking them in a cage over what I think shouldn't be a crime. Also, releasing these people should pose no threat to society since their jail sentence was based on dealing/using drugs. Non-violent offenses.

Also, it wouldn't be all government paying the bills to help the addicts recover. There would be private organizations (hospitals) that would do a majority of the work probably (which the govt would subsidize obviously). Right now, needle exchange is legal in some states and nearly all of these organizations give clean needles for free to protect the user and promote responsible drug use.

And since you bring up wasting tax dollars... did you know there is a bridge in Alaska that cost millions of dollars to build and it is rarely being used? Also, there is this thing called the Iraq War that costs $80 billion a month, so wasting money is what our government is all about in my opinion. Plus those missions to Mars..... whew, such a waste of money. All of that (especially Mars shit) could be used for social programs.

Also, about six months ago I read an article about marijuana prohibition, and it said that the country would save $13,000,000 a year if marijuana were to become legal. This money would come mainly from taxes and lower prison populations.

With 5% of the worlds population, the United States has 25% of the world's prison population. We lock up more of our fellow citizens on drug charges ALONE than Western Europe locks up on ALL charges combined.


Also, Marijuana Prohibition was caused by racism.
The government was saying that the Mexicans were smoking marijuana and luring them into their house to sweet talk the women into having sex with the Mexican. Plus, the government was putting out false information on posters that said marijuana kills and makes you insane, ect. This led to another moral panic against marijuana (just like the cocaine negro one), and a few years later, marijuana was off the charts.

Marijuana might be the safest psychoactive substance known to man, even safer than caffeine and alcohol. This is why there has never been a recorded death caused by overdosing on marijuana, not one. It is believed by researchers that you would have to smoke four ounces instantly to possibly die from marijuana, which basically means it can't kill you on an overdose.

I say the government should stop holding our hands and letting us make our own decisions. Drugs are not going to go away, they were here since the beginning of time and will last until the end of time.

baddog 11-04-2006 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by websiex (Post 11237668)
and the proof is that the use has doubled even after a half century "War on Drugs" started by the Nixon Administration.

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.

Do you have any idea, even remotely, on how long a century is?

websiex 11-04-2006 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 11240426)
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.

Do you have any idea, even remotely, on how long a century is?

A century is 100 years, so a half century is 50 years. Nixon coined the term "War on Drugs" in 1971 (35 years ago), but the US started it's drug war in the late 1800s, so ... I don't get your point of insulting me when I know history.

I think using a half century is valid since it is so close, but you're right, I should've used something like two generations.

And believe me, I'm no fool.

aico 11-04-2006 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 11238056)
"legalize it" isn't the answer to everything.

Cocaine is not as simple to let loose on a population as tobacco.

More people die from tobacco than coke, as a matter of fact, 2nd hand smoke kills more non-smokers than coke kills coke users... :2 cents:

50...

vvq 11-04-2006 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by aico (Post 11240499)
More people die from tobacco than coke, as a matter of fact, 2nd hand smoke kills more non-smokers than coke kills coke users... :2 cents:

50...

there are clearly more tobacco users in this country than coke users. legalize coke and you don't think the number of coke related deaths will rise in proportion with the number of users?

i'd rather see some hallucinogens legalized in the states. truly no harm there.

websiex 11-04-2006 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by vvq (Post 11240655)
there are clearly more tobacco users in this country than coke users. legalize coke and you don't think the number of coke related deaths will rise in proportion with the number of users?

i'd rather see some hallucinogens legalized in the states. truly no harm there.

Well, decent point, but you're assuming that a lot of people would rush out and buy cocaine AND reach the lethal dose. This probably wouldn't be the case.

vvq 11-04-2006 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by websiex (Post 11240705)
Well, decent point, but you're assuming that a lot of people would rush out and buy cocaine AND reach the lethal dose. This probably wouldn't be the case.

*related deaths.

andrej_NDC 11-04-2006 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazonby (Post 11239237)
But coke, heroin and crack are too dangerous and people are too stupid.

I agree, too many people are idiots. Set the speed limit at 60 and they will drive 70, but remove the speed limit and they will drive 100+.

andrej_NDC 11-04-2006 02:31 PM

But for me, tobacco is the worst drug. For us non-smokers at least, I hate to smell the shit and even on outdoors events, like sport events, concerts, etc...It sucks to sit near a smoker.

$5 submissions 11-04-2006 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC (Post 11241247)
But for me, tobacco is the worst drug. For us non-smokers at least, I hate to smell the shit and even on outdoors events, like sport events, concerts, etc...It sucks to sit near a smoker.

It's also extremely addictive. I smoked for 21 years. It's been a few years now that I've been smoke-free. To anyone just starting......save yourself the hassle and stop now.

Crumpet 11-04-2006 04:01 PM

You should have eather a strong will to stop smoking or to be ill...

latinasojourn 11-04-2006 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by marko13 (Post 11238007)
i think it will be very good move to legalise it but in known weights... let's say 1 gram per person per day....


i worked alongside many very smart, successful guys who made lots of money and starting dabbling in small amounts of coke. i was the sales manager, and these were my very best guys.

and now 20 years later, not a SINGLE one of those guys has a pot to piss in. while i was investing in real estate they were putting it up their nose.

never was into dope myself, but from what i've seen with my own eyes i would say it's a loser.

SleazyDream 11-04-2006 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Marks (Post 11237578)
Legalize it. People will use it anyway. If they die or fuck themselves up, it's their fault. It's time the government stops being Nannies to full grown people.


i doubt coke will ever get legalized - the death risk around the drug is too high.


when i was in the life insurance business - hey didn't care about drugs like pot - only concern there was smoker's rates.
drugs like cocain had higher morbidity rates than occupations like paracute jumpers or coal miners and was uninsurable for 7 years if they found traces in you.

pot - i hope that gets legalized - it's not for me but i know sooo many people that use it for legal reasons and it helps their lives i honestly feel it should be legalized.

sickbeatz 11-04-2006 05:29 PM

your nose starts getting bloody after binging for more than a couple of months.

fuck cociane

Webby 11-05-2006 01:30 AM

A year or so ago there were US marines helping clear "leaf" which was growing near the coastline of a South American country. They were burning the "greenery".

Anyways... mentioned this to a US govt officer who has extensive experience in "leaf" and the question fires back, "Is that what they found as a job for the US marines to do? Why the fuck don't they start getting more constuctive and give farmers something better to earn a living off?"

There is probably a point there - farmers gain little out of the drugs trade, they simply earn enough to live. What would a farmer choose to do? Earn out of a drug crop with the chance of it being burned down, or grow some stuff (legal) where they can earn a living? Chances are it's the latter.


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