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Machete_ 07-11-2005 07:21 AM

IT's official - I will NEVER EVER use a ccbill based program again
 
... I cant prove shit, but I KNOW those stats are wrong...
was on thehun, and made 2 sale the first hour (at night, so bad traffic) with some new fresh softcore content. then for the rest of the 48 hours.. nothing....
Its the same with the programs I use for upsell in the memberarea... no sale the last week.... nothing... from ANY of the CCbill based programs
All other non-ccbill converts like always

but again - cant prove shit.. but I know for sure I will never use CCbill again

:mad: :mad:

The Heron 07-11-2005 07:23 AM

Good, more money for me.

bret 07-11-2005 07:23 AM

No shit! I am doing about 1:450 to nasty dollars and with pretty much the same traffic i am about 1:3500 with ccbill based programs. :321GFY

BVF 07-11-2005 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk
... (at night, so bad traffic)

how is night time traffic "bad traffic"?

lotusmike 07-11-2005 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF
how is night time traffic "bad traffic"?

We'll relative to time zones, if your programs are rooted in the US, most of that bad traffic is offshore. Asia and the like.

groark 07-11-2005 07:34 AM

You should check out teenrevenue then :PP

Bansheelinks 07-11-2005 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk
... I cant prove shit, but I KNOW those stats are wrong...
was on thehun, and made 2 sale the first hour (at night, so bad traffic) with some new fresh softcore content. then for the rest of the 48 hours.. nothing....
Its the same with the programs I use for upsell in the memberarea... no sale the last week.... nothing... from ANY of the CCbill based programs
All other non-ccbill converts like always

but again - cant prove shit.. but I know for sure I will never use CCbill again

:mad: :mad:

any CB's over that period of time? you get a CB with ccbill and your ratios will get strangled by them, even if your in 'safe' territory for CBs and %

Shaft_1971 07-11-2005 07:35 AM

We use paycom :)

Shaft

StuartD 07-11-2005 07:36 AM

that actually happens on the hun often. The hun is a big hit and miss game. Sometimes you can get 20 sales, sometimes none.... and sometimes you get a burst and then nothing.

That's just how it is... has nothing to do with the processor.

Machete_ 07-11-2005 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD
that actually happens on the hun often. The hun is a big hit and miss game. Sometimes you can get 20 sales, sometimes none.... and sometimes you get a burst and then nothing.

That's just how it is... has nothing to do with the processor.

Like i wrote, Its not only based on thehun. Its also bases on the banners in our memberareas.

Shags 07-11-2005 07:39 AM

Show the gallery or stfu.

Machete_ 07-11-2005 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shags
Show the gallery or stfu.

no... because we still use it on the sites, and dont want to oversaturate the content. Hit me up in 14 days, then we have our own sites running, and dont need the mentioned program any more - then you can have it :thumbsup

Basic_man 07-11-2005 07:56 AM

I don't use CCBill anymore for over 2 years, and thanks god I'm not wasting my traffic ! :D

Pete-KT 07-11-2005 07:59 AM

My last gallery on thehun.com got 1 sale Its a hit or miss game with there traffic.

Shags 07-11-2005 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk
no... because we still use it on the sites, and dont want to oversaturate the content. Hit me up in 14 days, then we have our own sites running, and dont need the mentioned program any more - then you can have it :thumbsup

Thanks but i don't need any content to make a sale. Btw what is this shit: Location Denmark -> soon South America?

johndoebob 07-11-2005 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shags
Thanks but i don't need any content to make a sale. Btw what is this shit: Location Denmark -> soon South America?

He'll scam everybody in denmark and on GFY and hide in south america :winkwink:

Machete_ 07-11-2005 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johndoebob
He'll scam everybody in denmark and on GFY and hide in south america :winkwink:


GOD DAMM IT.. im busted..

No. I put my mainstream company up for sale, and as soon as its sold, Im moving southwest :-)
My partner lives in southamerica and all the major keypersons in my network is located in the same timezone..
Add that to the low tax in Nicaragua and the other countrys in the area - then i dont se any reason to stay in denmark

Trax 07-11-2005 08:55 AM

been doing for years no
try to avoid cc where possible... my direct comparisms to epoch always showed a HUGE difference in favor to epoch
nothing personal

soukee 07-11-2005 09:06 AM

I thin the problem is in counting of clicks in stats (1st page raw vs. 2nd page unique). I am satisfied with CCBill but maybe sometimes declines more CCs than it is needed...

DutchTeenCash 07-11-2005 09:14 AM

let me get it right : youre upselling in the members area and zero sales from ccbill programs? that cant be right, I assume youre upselling the same niche as the site is right?

pradaboy 07-11-2005 09:16 AM

http://www.carolynsandstrom.com/tears%207.jpg

right back at ya :glugglug

Gottis 07-11-2005 09:17 AM

Nicaragua is such a nice place to live at lol

At least make it Costa Rica if you're going there.

rockbear 07-11-2005 09:20 AM

I never had any luck too with CCbill sponsors.

Machete_ 07-11-2005 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkx
I assume youre upselling the same niche as the site is right?

90% of the times yes

DutchTeenCash 07-11-2005 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk
90% of the times yes

what kind of upsell is it? banners potd fhg exit?

SmokeyTheBear 07-11-2005 09:29 AM

I have noticed it as well. Maybe its the processing maybe its something else.. I dont really care, and i dont have the time to figure it out.

I stopped using them long ago. ( for the most part )

If it was good enough i might promote it, but so far i'm not missing anything..

I have noticed the same trend with NATS.. Maybe its just coincidence that every nats sponsor i have tried does well worse than non-nats sponsors.. then again its hard to compare one against the other.

blazin 07-11-2005 09:32 AM

Funny.. but I noticed a particular CCBILL site that although its main signup page is CCBILL... it cascades to another processor in case they get declined.

Of course, you won't get paid from the other processor only from ccbill sales, means more money the owner if ccbill decline.

Machete_ 07-11-2005 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkx
what kind of upsell is it? banners potd fhg exit?

Textbanner in the footer

DutchTeenCash 07-11-2005 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ebus_dk
Textbanner in the footer

so its in every gallery right? ok well could be summer slowdown ppl not using the members or a really low members base, but I doubt that all...

How many hits did you get on that banner? at least a few 100 right? I mean members area upsell must be under 1:100 normally, otherwise something else is wrong for sure...

chadglni 07-11-2005 09:36 AM

Everyone is finally catching on.

corvette 07-11-2005 09:39 AM

because our name was brought up, allow me to touch on a few things:


Quote:

Originally Posted by bret
No shit! I am doing about 1:450 to nasty dollars and with pretty much the same traffic i am about 1:3500 with ccbill based programs. :321GFY

many programs measure their ratios different ways, as was mentioned previously, CCBill tracks raw clicks...not sure how ND tracks, but many programs track unique clicks(whatever unique is, could be one IP per 6 hour block, could be one ip per month), they could discount certain types of clicks/traffic, second page clicks, join form clicks, etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bansheelinks
any CB's over that period of time? you get a CB with ccbill and your ratios will get strangled by them, even if your in 'safe' territory for CBs and %

We generally do not change anything scrubbing-related due to account chargeback issues?we try to locate and address the root of the cb problem rather than (arbitrarily) raising the scrub on the account


I have always recommended to clients that if you think that something is not working correctly, to test it out with your own card?if there is anything that we can do at this point, let us know 45471840-MG

cam4teen 07-11-2005 09:40 AM

CCbill decline a lot of good cards
 
Even me i tryed to signup some of my sites and other sites using CCbill with my 2 cards a VIsa and a Mastercard and all the two was declined
I have some Sexkey sites , and CCBILL is the processor for sexkey and the sales dropped 50% because of the declines of ccbill

Bansheelinks 07-11-2005 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvette


We generally do not change anything scrubbing-related due to account chargeback issues?we try to locate and address the root of the cb problem rather than (arbitrarily) raising the scrub on the account


:1orglaugh

ummmm........yeah............riiiiiiiiiiiight..... ......how many ppl do you have at ccbill working on this, considering you must have 10's of thousands of accounts to look after? you must have thousands of employees devoted solely to this, no? cut it out already........you have an auto algorithmic system running the show, just like anyone else would.

DutchTeenCash 07-11-2005 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam4teen
Even me i tryed to signup some of my sites and other sites using CCbill with my 2 cards a VIsa and a Mastercard and all the two was declined
I have some Sexkey sites , and CCBILL is the processor for sexkey and the sales dropped 50% because of the declines of ccbill

http://www.cdaccess.com/gifs/screen/surfer.jpg

DutchTeenCash 07-11-2005 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bansheelinks
:1orglaugh

ummmm........yeah............riiiiiiiiiiiight..... ......how many ppl do you have at ccbill working on this, considering you must have 10's of thousands of accounts to look after? you must have thousands of employees devoted solely to this, no? cut it out already........you have an auto algorithmic system running the show, just like anyone else would.

dbase not an algorithm

bret 07-11-2005 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvette
because our name was brought up, allow me to touch on a few things:




many programs measure their ratios different ways, as was mentioned previously, CCBill tracks raw clicks...not sure how ND tracks, but many programs track unique clicks(whatever unique is, could be one IP per 6 hour block, could be one ip per month), they could discount certain types of clicks/traffic, second page clicks, join form clicks, etc.



We generally do not change anything scrubbing-related due to account chargeback issues?we try to locate and address the root of the cb problem rather than (arbitrarily) raising the scrub on the account


I have always recommended to clients that if you think that something is not working correctly, to test it out with your own card?if there is anything that we can do at this point, let us know 45471840-MG

well, yeah, i dont really care about ratios, all i care about is $$$. so lets say this, i am easily doing $105-140 per day with nastydollars and all of my ccbill sites combined (about 5 or 6 actively promoting at any given time) I am lucky to get $15/day.

corvette 07-11-2005 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bansheelinks
:1orglaugh

ummmm........yeah............riiiiiiiiiiiight..... ......how many ppl do you have at ccbill working on this, considering you must have 10's of thousands of accounts to look after? you must have thousands of employees devoted solely to this, no? cut it out already........you have an auto algorithmic system running the show, just like anyone else would.

Bansheelinks, it is one of my direct responsibilities to monitor this, its not nearly as absurd as you are making it out to be. By and large, most of our clients are very clean and don?t have cb issues, but anything that pops up, we find out what the issue is, address it with our clients, and then monitor/follow up until it is a non-issue. We have been doing this for a while.

khs 07-11-2005 09:58 AM

I have never had luck with ccbill either, won't try them again either

William-Xfactor 07-11-2005 09:58 AM

Quality is the key I believe
I don?t have time for promoting others but if I did I would find a few more like these


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Furious_Male 07-11-2005 09:59 AM

I am convinced there is an account specific scrub involved as well. CB ratio or otherwise anyone that knows and watches their traffic closely and has historical stats as well can see the trends.

No one can tell me otherwise.


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