oh no, the shit is really starting over here in Holland!
 

After the murder on Theo van Gogh the shit is really taking off now...

last night an islamic elementary school was burned to the ground after white power signs were sprayed on the walls and texts like "RIP Theo"

Now since this morning they're trying to arrest a few terrorists in The Hague, granate went off... SWAT-teams are coming in masses and the airspace is totally off limits as of now.


the shit is flying all over the place man :(

:ugone2far

and I was thinking of coming to Amsterdam at the end of this month :(

:BangBang: :BangBang:

I hope that it will soon be ok.....

I read some shit about the mural that artist painted that said "Thou Shalt Not Kill" that got painted over because the nearby muslim school complained.

That was bullshit.

http://maarten.typepad.com/brusselsb...halt_not_.html

That's bullshit and I would sue the mayor and the police for restricting my freedom of speech.



Note - This assumes everything in that story is true, which so far it seems to be.

wow.. :warning

yeh that's true, actually it was right before a mosque (sp?) when they painted it over a journalist protested and got arrested for it, it's like the world upsidedown

3 police wounded in Hague blast
Wednesday, November 10, 2004 Posted: 4:44 AM EST (0944 GMT)



THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) -- An explosion during a police raid on a house in The Hague has wounded three police officers, while Dutch authorities closed the air space over the city as part of the operation.

Authorities would not confirm whether the raid early Wednesday was connected to an investigation into possible terrorist suspects, and it was not immediately clear why air space over the city -- which has no major airports -- had been closed.

Several city blocks were cordoned off in a mostly immigrant neighborhood near The Hague's Holland Spoor train station, and police demanded identification from anyone wishing to leave.

The explosion occurred as police raided the house during an operation they said was conducted on behalf of national prosecutors. Gunshots were also heard during the raid.

Two police officers were hospitalized in serious, but not life-threatening condition, and one was treated and released with minor injuries, police spokesman Frans van Rijnswou said.

The building was surrounded by police in riot gear, fire engines, ambulances and swat teams.

Photographers on the scene showed images of a man of Asian descent being dragged from the building clad only in boxer shorts and escorted away, but police would not confirm the apparent arrest. They did confirm there were still suspects in the building.

Authorities would not say whether the raid was connected to an investigation in the alleged terrorist slaying of filmmaker Theo van Gogh on Nov. 2. Van Gogh had received death threats after the release of his most recent film about the treatment of women under Islam.

There have been more than a dozen arson attacks in the Netherlands against churches and mosques since Van Gogh's killing in Amsterdam more than a week ago.

Six suspects, believed to be members of a terrorist group, remain in custody, including the alleged killer, 26-year-old Mohammed Bouyeri, who holds dual Dutch and Moroccan nationality.


5 min from my home..

I heard the mayor apologized later, but I would still sue him just on principle.

:(

Isn't it also one of the commandments of the Jewish religion as well? I mean after all, they were given to the jewish people....

It's about time the Islamists in the Netherlands had their wings clipped. The Dutch are a great people and are being polluted by this Islamic filth.

Note to European Islamists - get out now or take the consequences.

:ugone2far

yea it's pretty fucked up.

I plan to go to Amsterdam in January, I hope everything will be alright. (im black by the way)

diversity is our strength

diversity is our strength

diversity is our strength

You know, why the hell don't they just limit immigration. Really, what great things does Islam bring to Europe? Why should Native Europeans be put out of place, and have their nations, culture and peoples numerically taken over by such people?

Well, Europe needs immigrants because our birthrates suck ass.

But I don't see why we need immigrants who want to kill/ convert/ enslave us (ie Muslims).

And the number one reason for war in the world? Diversity.

You'll be fine.

Contact me then and you'll feel right at home. Most my friends are not white.

I think you will find Moses was also a Prophet of Islam.

The problem with Muslims is they think they can go to live in another country with another culture and everyone has to bend to their wishes.

It's not racist to tell them no.

No, what Europe really needs is a Government capable of addressing the birth-rates issue. It can be addressed, and for the sake of Europe and the generations of children to come it should be. What is going on in Europe now (the mass immigration of all these hostiles peoples - note most aren't hostile, but it takes only a few to set off the pack) is going to cause a shitstorm in years to come. Islam does not belong in Europe, it brings nothing productive to Europe, so why than should Europeans welcome it? They should demand more of their Governments.

But tell me charly, you are a liberal guy. Should European nations openly invite muslims to immigrate to their countries? I absolutely fail to see what the host country gains from this mess they are causing.

The birth-rates issue is a non-issue. The only way the underlying problem (the babyboomers growing old and thereby placing a heavy burden upon a relatively small workforce) could be countered is by continuously rising birthrates. That's not an option, though. Europe is already close to overpopulation (Holland, for example, is one of the most densely populated countries in the world with about 450 people per square kilometer) and at some point, growth will have to stop.

The problem isn't really mass immigration (immigration is much, much smaller than most people believe), but the immigrants we already have.

Wow, some sense from you finally. I am shocked you didn't say you know one nice muslim, so that means 100,000 more should be imported next year.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...nap203copy.jpg

Dutch SWAT team with full gear and jeans lol

My positions always make sense, it's just that most people aren't fully able to understand all of them.

Shit man, that sucks. :helpme

the problem europe has is not the birthrate issue, or immigration, or under population or under fucking

its the assimilation of immigrnts into their society.
Lets be honest most europeans are racist when it comes to blacks, asians, turks, arabs and other non whites. Most dont have friends of a dif race and dont develope friendships growing up with people of other races.

THats totally dif than here in the US

Muslims aren't the problem, extreme fundamentalists are.

Sorry, but you are only partly right. What you say holds true for a relatively small portion of immigrants, but not for the majority of those who fail to integrate into society.

The fact of the matter is that the problem is not society refusing to accept those people, but those people refusing to accept society.
Asians fit in with very little trouble, arabs form a huge problem. In Holland, people from Suriname fit in wonderfully, while people from the Antilles don't fit in at all. Same colour, different culture.

Blaming racism seems rather ridiculous in light of the actual facts. Incompatible cultures are a more likely culprit.

Well, that's not entirely true. You see, extreme fundamentalism is much more likely to develop in sub-societies that are completely sealed off from mainstream culture than in multicultural environments.

So, in a way, the muslims who only live in their own subcultures within society are a big part of the problem. Ofcourse, that does not include all muslims, but it does include many.

It's not the same. The immigrants that come to the US are mostly westerns who hold the same values so it's easy to make friends with them. Islamists don't want to be friends with Europeans because they see their way of life as sinful and they want it destroyed.

Not all immigrants are muslims, and not all muslims are islamists.

well they were at the right place if some dude starts to throw handgranades lol

I hope they smoke them out. there's no fun in having Terrorists in our own backyard.

Here we go again....


A Muslim is someone who believes in the Qu'ran and Hadiths and tries to live their lives accordingly.

A Muslim is not someone who believes in a bit of it but doesn't live their life in an Islamic way.

Since Islam calls for the conquest of the entire world and the killing/ converting/ enslaving of it's peoples, a Muslim is by definition an Islamist.

But seeing as most people who are refered to as Muslims are not actually Muslims (they are simply people who identify with the religion but do not follow it) then it's only the actual Muslims who are the problem, along with some of the Muslim wannabes who also believe in the bad passages of the Quran and Hadiths but who might not live an Islamic lifestyle at present.

There is no such thing as a good Muslim, but their are good people who have been brought up in Islam but who do not live as one now.

And to complicate things further, Shia, Sufi, Qadiani and Submitters are not Muslims. They are sects which are based on the cult of Islam but are not actually Islamic (as they do not submit to the will of Allah as per the Qu'ran and Hadiths).

So, for a non-Muslim to have a Muslim friend is impossible, as it is forbidden for Muslims to have friends who are Christian, Jewish, Pagan, Hindu, Atheist or of any other religion.
But, a non-Muslim can have a friend who considers themselves Muslim, but isn't actually.

Bullshit. Total fucking bullshit.

What you are saying is much like someone saying that only mormons or pentecostal baptists are "real" christians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal...s_within_Islam

You'd think veryone there would be too high on weed to start crap.

oh god, that's terrible. what's wrong with the world today?

It seems you hate being wrong, but you'd look better if you simply admitted it.

How do I know so much about Islam?
I was one of them for 21 years of my life.

Islam is not a religion like Christianity which can be changed.
The Qu'ran is considered the word of god and Allah has already said that it will never change.
Therefore if Islam changes then it will no longer be Islam.
In fact, the Shia changed their version to Shia'ism, the Sufis to Sufism, etc.

The form of Islam which is closest to that practiced by Muhammad is Wahabism and is the driving force behind Islamic terrorism today.

By the way, the closest to real Christians would appear to be the Jehovah's Witnesses. Although I could be wrong on that, as my knowledge of Christianity is fairly poor.
But my knowledge of Islam is second to none. It's a fascinating religion, albeit one of man's greatest mistakes.