The scourge of religion is nothing new. The names have changed, but the song remains the same. Killing in the name of...

Just because you used to be a religious nutjob, does not mean that that encompasses the entire religion. A large part of most religions is that most of their followers do not follow them to the letter, and that also holds for Islam.

Jehova's Witnesses consider themselves the only real christians, just like any other christian group. That means nothing else to outsiders than that there are different groups with different views on what the truth is.

The fact that you think only your group represents "true Islam" is laughable to any well-thinking individual because it is exactly what they all say. Millions of people who have studied what they consider "true Islam" all their lives have very different opinions on what "true Islam" is, why should a single one of those opinions get the exclusive right to use the word?

And even more importantly... it doesn't even matter if you are right or not, since the only difference it would make would be that we would have to use "the majority of those who consider themselves muslims" instead of "the majority of muslims", and "true muslims" instead of "extremist muslims". Big fucking deal. A turd is a turd no matter what you call it.

If their shit don't stink... and we over here in the western world are living with 'Satan' in our infidel way of life....then why don't they NOT come here in droves??

We in Canada/America offer a fresh start and a new life. Our Canadian medicare system has been drained by them, our welfare system is drained by them...and now the primo civil jobs are only offered to them (Cops, fire fighters etc..). Something to do with equal opportunity. What about the hard working immigrants that paves the roads and built the buildings of north America....What about those that only now 3rd generation sons and daughters of immigrants are starting to bear fruit for the labours of the fore fathers? Why should we move over and unbalance the scales of evolution in this country(s) (Canada/USA) !??! I'm sick of it.

Holland among other countries...take your streets back. take back your homes take back your childrens future. How can we help other new immigrants when we can't even help ourselves first???

Im sick of it.

http://www2.telegraaf.nl/multimedia/...pg_588691g.jpg


http://www.telegraaf.nl/multimedia/a...g6_589081b.jpg

http://www.nrc.nl/images/denhaag+.jpg

http://www.telegraaf.nl/multimedia/a...ag_588531g.jpg

Exactly, I've said that before and no one seems to believe it. I love arguing with people that call themselves Christians and are bitching about the Muslims extremists. I love to point out the the bible if followed as strictly as the Qu'ran is just as extreme as the Qu'ran.

The simple fact is these "extremists" are following their book to the letter. However Christians seem to think they can change the meaning of their book to fit their needs or time they are living in.

When you start bringing up the parts of the bible that talk about stoning people to death for committing simple crimes such as talking back to their parents or stealing. Then they try to change the subject saying it doesn't mean that literally. Christianity and Islam are from the same roots, one has been deluded to fit the common day needs of it's followers one has not.

IMO all religions is the root of all evil.

last news:

rumors are the appartment is rigged with explosives (remember the bust in Madrid of a few suspects?) and the SWATs will start busting in within one hour is expected.

Armored vehicles are on their way, snipers all over the place... this is friggin' serious!

I just can't understand why they closed the airspace for all traffic, we don't even have an airport in The Hague

THis is the beginning of WWIII

Read History ... it repeats itself time after time and this is coming boys and girls

there will be no WWIII ever... stop the paranoia man

fundamentalists are the root of all evil, maybe even organized religion but not faith :2 cents:

These people's faith (Christians/Muslims) are based on books that tell them to kill you, if you do not follow the laws of these books. So how is it not their "faith and their religion" that is not evil think about it..

it wouldnt be a war, it would be a domination by the bigger countries

You're right about the Islamic beliefs that all other-minded people should be killed but why do you mention Christians at the same time?

the Bible does not say anything about killing other people, instead it says if someone hits you on one cheeck turn your other cheeck to them. I'm angry about any fundamentalist that makes the general believe otherwise.

btw news update:

skinheads and young muslims are organizing in the neighbourhood of the "siege". There was a brief incident just a few minutes ago.

Can't we all just smoke a joint and get along. :2 cents:

could we keep it to "just" getting along? :winkwink:

update:

there was a man arrested a few minutes ago in Utrecht who is linked to the siege in The Hague somehow.

the muslims and skinheads in The Hague are making it worse, police can't control the crowd at the moment as they are throwing stones at each other.

skins also known as ADO supporters, gotta love those guys :ak47:

Wait a minute....I thought that the Islamic extremists only hated the USA, and that it was only because of the US policies, headed up by Bush, that was the cause of terrorism around the world? I thought that the theory was that since countries like Holland weren't doing anything in the middle east, then there wouldn't be a problem from the Muslims?










Sorry..........but after all the crap I have been hearing from EU webmasters on this board....I find this a little ironic.

(although I anticipated it......it's still sad.)

yeh I know, I used skins coz ADO doesn't mean al ot to the average GFY'er :thumbsup

Fundamentalists are against any country that opposes a bit against the Islam. it's not just the US it's potentially every country in the world.

EXACTLY I just wish that the EU would remember that...

i dunno which wm's said that shit but it's false... the freedom of every person is at stake here.

it seems you don't know your bible very well... check out Deuteronomy 21 for example.. the part bellow tells you to kill your own child if he is stubborn or rebellious.

A small part I don't have time to go searching for more..but the bible most clearly dose tell you to kill people. It's just Christians tend to belive they can pick and choose what parts of their holy book they want to follow.

"18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. 22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: 23"

I do know my Bible well it seems that you should put some more research into the meanings of the OT and NT and the relationship between them :2 cents:

You're wrong again, which isn't surprising this time.

"Islam" means "submission (to the will of god)". Therefore, a Muslim is someone who submits themselves to god's will. Therefore, by studying the Qu'ran (god's words) and the Hadiths (the biography of Muhammad acting according to god's words) anyone who is able to can work out what a Muslim actually is.
So, a Muslim is someone who does their best to live according to god's will and to the example set by the prophet.
A Muslim is not someone who picks and chooses which parts they follow nor is a Muslim someone who makes up new parts of the religion which are not in line with god's word or the example set by the prophet.
Therefore Shia, Qadiani, Sufis and Submitters are not Muslims because they make bits up to suit themselves. The guy who calls himself a Muslim because he sometimes goes to the mosque but he also fucks whores and drinks beer is not a Muslim.

For further info go read the Qu'ran and Hadiths. Then, if you're able, you'll understand.

WWIII has been and gone and took place between 1945 and approx 1993. It was called the Cold War and we won.

We are now in WWIV and no one knows when it started. The year 1979 is a good bet though, although others might think that it started in 2001 in New York. Personally, I think it started in the mid seventies.

By the way, history doesn't repeat itself. It stutters :)

well the situation has ended for over an hour now, 2 men were arrested, one wounded.

There will be a press conference in a few minutes...

Yeah. And the US is a bad place becasue a bunch of stupid elected this ass hat again.

Morons are the root of all evil.


Actually, Islam is all over Europe and has been for hundreds of years. There's a long history of interchange between the Middle East and Europe, including a lot of Islamic cultural infusion.

Christanity isn't indigenous to Europe either. The indigenous spiritual tradition of Europe is paganism (my own personal favorite).

My neighbors are Muslim and we couldn't ask for more kind, considerate, respectful people. I wish several of my "Christian" neighbors would move out and sell their homes to friends of our Muslim neighbors.

Just :2 cents: and change.

btw, I'm *not* addressing you in the first line of this post, just the remark about relative evil roots.

The US is a big country. The minority voted for George Bush. We have 300 million people. Only 59 million people elected him.

You do not even have to oppose Islam in order to become a target by groups like
Jemaah Islamiyah / Al-Quada both groups have attempted attacks in Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia all of whom have not apposed Islam, and are very moderate. The problem is these countries do not practise Islam the way the radicals believe they should, they are looking to overthrow the government and bring Sharia Law and the reestablish the Caliphate. It isn't about apposing Islam as much as it is how they believe you should practise Islam.

Congrats on completely missing the argument. That really took some skill, but you managed to do it.


"Therefore Shia, Qadiani, Sufis and Submitters are not Muslims because they make bits up to suit themselves."

Do you honestly believe that they see it as "making up bits to suit themselves"? They think that what they believe is the actual truth, and that what you believe is bullshit.


I, as an outsider, know it's actually all bullshit. It DOES NOT MATTER which parts are real and which are fake ("are these books the actual ramblings of the original madman who founded this faith or are they the ramblings of other madmen?"), all that matters are the dominant beliefs among those who call themselves muslims.


Do I care if Hakim and Najib follow "true" islam? No - I care if they get in my fucking way or not. If they call themselves muslims but occasionally like to engage in gay anal fistfucking, that does not bother me in the least as long as I don't have to watch.
And yes, they can still be muslims if they engage in gay anal fistfucking. It just makes them muslims whose actions are inconsistent with their beliefs, or who are somewhat uneducated concerning the rules of islam.


The problem with islam is extremist psychopaths like you, who can't seem to grasp the concept of slacking off in religion - the very thing that makes christianity superior to islam.

There's more in the world than just black or white :warning

The wonders of diversity.