9/11 Conspiracy kooks ------> inside please
 

I have a question for you. You're certain you and your fellow conspiracy kook interweb friends have exposed the truth about 9/11 - your own government committed unspeakable atrocities against its own people. And will do it again of course and this time it might be your city or somewhere you or your family are out and about.

So the question is why aren't you defending yourselves and your family, why haven't you risen up and fought against those who may kill you? What are you waiting for?

oh wait, you have a new TV season you don't want to miss and sitting on your asses on the interweb exposing 'the truth' is far more effective and noble and brave :1orglaugh

the truth is 95% of those people are anti social outcasts. They don't fit in society, they were either made fun of are looked at as freaks. Their lives are boring at best. They don't have a lot of friends but yet they want to feel important and like their pathetic lives have a purpose. They are powerless so they strike out against the people in power (the govt). They also feel that they are smarter than everyone else, and we are all brainwashed idiots that weren't smart enough to *figure out* what "really" happened.

So they gather on their little message boards or chat rooms where they have other like minded idiots and they all become friends, important, popular (amongst each other). Now if it comes time to actually do something, they would wet their pants before taking their retarded theories offline and the only fighting they do is on D&D.

Oh and FletchXXX is their leader.

The terrorists attacked USA because they hate your freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And to show the terrorists that the USA won you are now building the FREEDOM TOWER! That will piss the off!





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i'm not a "truther" but war is good business. 9-11 spawned TWO wars.

look at pearl harbor, NO one in the country wanted to join WWII until that day. how better to "rally the troops".

the assassination of JFK. (he didn't want to go into vietnam) lyndon johnson signed us up for war the night of nov 22.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...-vietnam-.html

we can't even protect ourselves against content theft, so how is anyone going to take on the most powerful government in the world?

weren't you watching? they mass murdered 3,000 innocent people on TV and got away with it.

President Eisenhower sent the first U.S. troops to Vietnam and President Kennedy sent tens of thousands more. President Johnson sent in hundreds of thousands.

they made it to go in new terrorist wars, perfect plot

It's a war of information and this is the front line! :thumbsup

The Pen (Keyboard) is Mightier than the Sword (Baseball Bat)

i dont know who is behind it, but i do know governments are the biggest liars and bullshitters in the world. Everyone with common sense knows this. So im baffled by the amount of people who completely believe them and call everyone who doubts the government a 'kook'. That's pretty short sighted in my opinion.

The belief system of many is a house of cards built on faith and propaganda :2 cents:

I don't think anyone is debating the fact that the government took full advantage of what happened those days. (pearl harbour and 9/11) The difference is whether they are guilty of causing it or not. The problem with truthers logic is they take a little bit of truth eg. Reports that the US government were aware of an impending threat with al qaeda and they slip down the slope by interpreting that as "they planned for them to attack". When in reality they get warnings and threats on a daily basis, also homeland security at the time was dragging their feet because of poor communications and the fact they haven't been invaded since wwII.

People live for believing in the fantastical. We love our sci-fi, we love our X-files types of shows and movies and we want to believe our government or some form of super power has complete control over us because they are able to--we even find comfort in this for the most part. The reality is that the government is made up completely of people like us. They have bbq's, they watch too much tv, they cut themselves shaving, they eat taco bell. They aren't super heroes, they aren't evil geniuses and they are far from perfect--with that being true all these thick conspiracies start to seem more like fantasy than anything else.

When I say this I don't mean that they are completely incapable of covering something up, or doing something unethical, just that they are more often than not highly unlikely.

I agree. At the same time, I have a difficult time believing that the government, who we just said was completely stupid and full of shit, is capable of pulling off mass conspiracies without any major screw ups and keeping it all under wraps... basically forever.

I don't think we can make an argument that the government is extremely stupid while making an argument that they are cunning enough to pull off XYZ stunt.

But who knows... maybe there is an agency above the CIA that actually knows what they're doing.

stop the ridiculous presumption that anybody who refers to you as 'conspiracy kooks' is naive and trusts the government, the military, the bankers and corporations. we know they are capable of lying and all sorts of evil greedy things. there are conspiracies that have been proven as fact and they weren't proven as fact by self published nutjobs and internet clowns.

when you spin your cockeyed conspiracy theories and fantasies please put forth evidence to back them up by credible sources - academics at respected universities with no reputation for kookiness, journalists for respected newspaper and journals who have no reputation for kookiness, experts from various industries who have years of experience and respect from within their fields with no reputation for kookiness.

It would be interesting to see psychological profiles of religious nuts and conspiracy theorists. Superpowers and "wanting to believe."

I bet they even own Macs!

Now we're talking :thumbsup

The secret services mainly recruit contractors these days and give them information on a "Need to Know" basis. For a project like 9/11 it would mainly be people working almost directly with the Elite, these people would be from another country so as loyalty is not an issue. Also throw in Cheney and a few of others in the US government.

So no, it is not the US Government. It's one of those half-truths that gets thrown around "9/11 wasn't an inside job because the US Government is too incompetent"...STOP RIGHT THERE...you should have said "The US Government is too incompetent to pull off 9/11, so if it was an inside job who would have been capable?"

When half-truths are being used by Authority, it's a sure sign that you are being lied to

Fury as academics claim 9/11 was 'inside job'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1Xq081NBD

William Cooper RIP
 

Here's the guy who predicted 9/11 two months before. He was killed outside his home in November 2001. William Cooper RIP

those imaginary contractors you speak of are people too, those same people who make mistakes like you and me. They aren't supermen. As soon as you start accepting that you start to realize how outlandish 99% of the shit you type is...

I am happy enough to listen to the arguments and reasoning. what i fucking hate is when people say things that they have no evidence for or any sort of link or proof.

oh this was found at crash site a, this was found at crash site b. !!! must be an inside job. or they point to some video on youtube made by nobody pointing to grainy items on a video.

and these turn into bushfire rumours that are simply going to spread across the web when probably it did not happen.


why do people ignore osama bin laden? he did attacks before and attacks after (or were they staged too, just to give 9/11 more credibility??? LOL. were the attacks in africa done by al queda or by the US governemnt?). he admitted the attacks, there was reason for the attacks. I mean if you were religious, you might too be a bit pissed off that a foreign army was on your sacred land no??

get some fresh air, take a look around and you will see plenty of people pissed off with the USA who would love to attack the country. But no that doens't make sense that an a pissed off terrorist group would attack buildings, far more sense that a government would do it. the same government who made a major fuck up by not finding WMD when attacking Iraq but who can pull off an immaculate plan of killing thousands of it's own citizens.

9/11 or not. usa would have gone to war with iraq.


heck i dont even know what I am saying, now i sound crazy for arguing with the crazies. i need some fresh air.

If you look back over the last 2000 years of history it's easy to see what "People", who aren't supermen, are capable of. :2 cents:

This BBC documentary examines another side to the Bin Laden story

Part 1 - The Power of Nightmares

I don't think the gov pulled an inside job on 9-11, but I don't believe the official story.

However, the gov has done horrible things in the past (and present) and false flags are not uncommon, so I have to think that anything is possible, regardless of what I think or anyone else. In the grand scheme of things, there is no telling what is going on above our heads and the atrocities even the most civilized governments may be committing.

In regards to why haven't I done something about it, I have. I move out and relocated to a place where I can be mostly left alone and don't have to be bothered by such shenanigans. Whatever happens back in the USA is not my problem anymore.

do you honestly in your heart of hearts believe this was an inside job? do you really need to believe the USA had to do this to go to war? your an idiot, they don't need to do something like this to go to war. Look at Nato in Bosnia and Libya. They hardly need to blowup their own buildings. If they wanted to attack Afghan all they could do is shout out human rights abuses, ethnic cleansing and WMD.

I don't think noone is disagreeing with you when strange things happened that day but hey 4 planes were hijacked and crashed, it was always going to be a little different. Like whoever was planning this decided that building 7 had to go but forgot to add an extra tiny detail that they were going to need another hijacked plane to the rota and thought fuck it we will use explosives instead then this whole conspiracy theory comes from a mad man's circus but when you start taking those things and start turning them into a sci fi thriller is when you need to lay off the drugs mate.

It's far more complicated than "USA had to do this to go to war" in fact they say so in their own documents which are freely available online. They describe how a new Pearl Harbor would be beneficial for a number of reasons. This was just before Bush got into power.

If you ever have the time and interest to read through their documents I'll be happy to share them with you.

How lame is to call yourself "truther"??

Nice - attack with generalization and petty insults instead of facts. What a way to advance your case!

Whatever caused that tragedy, which I witnessed in person, there are numerous unanswered questions. Asking questions is usually how you get answers to them. People who don't want ANY questions and use pre-emptive childish insults don't get to the truth. Why wouldn't we want the absolute truth, and why couldn't the truth withstand a robust challenge?

Mathematicians challenge accepted dogma all the time as a matter of course; without that, there would be no advancement. At any time in history, there have been beliefs that were completely false that have been generally accepted. The people who challenged those beliefs were of course called names and ostracized (think Louis Pasteur) but in the end many of them are heroes.

You don't know any more than anyone else what really happened, and you aren't even vaguely an authority on any of the issues surrounding 9/11. It is fine for you to accept what you are told, many do, but allow another person to have the courage to form their own beliefs.

hey no thanks, ill pass, i actually have work to do. and i respect you for questioning as another poster has said because questioning is really important and governments have pulled off shit far worse than this but I really think you are going up against the deadest of dead leads.

if there is a real conspiracy then yes it should be brought out into open. I don't believe there is not for a second, hence why im out. best of luck.

We were in Nam before Kennedy was even elected President as "advisers." Kennedy also sent in special forces. :2 cents:

history is on my side with this one... your blanket arguments aren't even close to evidence, until you start coughing some up you are still a kook...


governments are imperfect and always have been. The leaders of today don't even compare to the stranglehold the leaders of the past had on its people.

nobody is a kook for asking questions... that's another slippery slope people get caught up with. What makes people question their psychological well being is the fact that they will jump on EVERY ridiculous theory out there and never be convince otherwise--even the ones about fluoride in the water...

I am not a conspiracy theorist but the only thing that really bugs me is that 50 years ago, the government would of had no problems doing that to its citizens (think cuba missle crisis). are things really that different today? i would hope so.

lol same line as alex jones.

thing is without action ìnformation is useless.

although he is getting very fat and comfortable off sheep like you who were made to be fleeced.

have you made any persons life in your real life better in any measurable physical way with your "information"?

has your work improved lives the same way a martin luther king, a ghandi did?

no.

though you may have brought a new cult member into some conspiracy theorists flock and bought him a new car.

JFK did want to go into Vietnam. Not sure why you think he didn't.

what, a conspiracy theorist making stuff up to support their ridiculous theory? im surprised

what in your real life have you done to make people's lives better in any measurable physical sense freer from tyranny and injustice?

better working conditions? better wages? cleaner air? safer streets? less racism? less sexism? better familial relationships? more peace? less violence?

what has your "information" done?

I've always found conspiracy theorists to be kind of funny and mildly entertaining. They're fun to argue with, if nothing else!

No, it did not spawn two wars. We invaded Afghanistan because of 9/11.

Iraq was invaded in 1991, years before 9/11. The second Gulf War was because we failed to have the courage to take care of business properly.

i sure hope ur not trying to encourage an uprising

Correct some people want to believe the govt is in complete control and had to know about the attacks and let them happen because after all they are big bad brother and they know everything. The reality, like you said, is that govt is a cluster fuck and unfortunately some of them were inept and didn't do a good enough job to prevent this from happening.

At the same time I think the govt kind of likes the conspiracy theories because to some extent they would rather people think they are in 100% control vs a bunch of idiots who really couldn't stop these events from happening.

South park did a really good episode illustrating this point.


These threads always truly amaze me at how many stupid people there are out there in this world. They also sadden me at how many truly stupid there out there in this world, so that and the fact that you can't argue with a truly stupid person is reason why I stay away from most threads like this.

The second gulf war was because of "bad" intelligence that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Invading them had everything to do with the weapons inspectors and intel that said they had wmds and we wanted them to get rid of it. Its all documented that after wards the US admitted the intel turned out to be bad. So the question is, was the bad intel intention from day one as an excuse to invade or did they really think that Iraq had WMD's. Since it was likely an excuse, was the president in on it or did others slip him bad intel, which is what he made his decisions to invade on.