D'oh!

Says the genius who forms his world view from a cartoon. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

No, seriously, :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh .

This pretty much sums it up.

Conspiracy nuts are taking basic complacency by the US government, and twisting it into something to make their depressing life more interesting.

will you agree on 1.5 wars? lol. it was 2, ask the guys who were deployed.

so the second world war was really not a war because they failed to deal with Germany properly ~30 years earlier?? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I know hundreds of people who were deployed. The people in the shit are the last ones to ask about politics or the reasons they are deployed. It's the military - they do what their told and rarely see the larger picture.

We failed to finish the job properly in 1991 when we first went in. Our objective was to remove Iraq from Kuwait, when our goal should have been to remove the Iraqi government. You can debate the politics of the invasion, say the US government wanted to invaded Iraq again to remove it's government, and you can debate it was about WMD. But the truth was Iraq had been firing on our troops for the better part of ten years, and we needed to do something about it.

Don't be a crack head.

At the close of WW1, the German military was shut down. They didn't continue to fire on France and the UK. WW2 started because Hitler re-armed it's military and then invaded Poland.

The war with Iraq never ended. It was a temporary ceasefire. But after a while Iraq shot at US planes on a daily basis, to the point where we were dropping bombs on a daily basis.

retarded fuck, my world views were "formed" before watching south park. It just happens that episode was funny and spot on.

The "kooks" are the people who believe the official story.

Mutt, to answer your question as to why the people who realize that 9/11 was a false flag operation do not rise up and do something about it.....

1. Some of us don't give a flying fuck about the dumbed down fat lazy masses. Why would we stick out neck out for a bunch of turds who would be so dumb they would not even realize they need help? Not me that is for certain. All I care about is my family and making sure they prosper. Plus I think I have more in common with the people who are in power than the average fast food eating, TV addicted, fat, lazy, dumbed down Republican/Democrat voting turd. If I was sitting in a room full of FOX news viewers and there were a few CFR members mixed in I would gravitate to the CFR guys because at least I could have an intelligent conversation with them about world events instead of talking to a bunch of brainwashed automatons. There is little doubt in my mind why elites have such contempt for the average person walking down the street.

2. Many people realize the fight was lost decades ago. The people who were living 100 years ago had the opportunity to save the USA but they were just not sophisticated enough to even realize their federal government and financial systems were being taken over. The retard survivalists and revolutionaries who are now stocking up on guns thinking they are going to take their country back when the economy crashes are existing in a pipe dream. They will be rounded up and put in camps as they will not be part of the new system. Same thing happened in Russia 100 years ago and it will happen in the USA. The main difference is that this time is that the masses will waste their time and energy fighting each other thereby further weakening any potential resistance. Blacks, whites, mexicans, asians, etc will be fighting each other instead of the people who destroyed the USA. Classic divide and conquer:thumbsup

3. Most people are cowards. They do not want to be called "kooks" or "conspiracy nuts". These are people who have families they need to provide for and speaking out on this subject is often career and social suicide.

I no longer participate in arguing why 9/11 was a false flag. Rather I look to the future to make sure that my close friends and family are not caught up in any future attacks. What will the future attacks look like and where will they happen?

1. The next false flag or more likely series of false flags will not be on airplanes because the objective of demoralizing the masses and controlling air travel has been achieved. Most likely the next false flags will be on railways, buses, restaurants, malls, sporting events, places of worship, and places where lots of children congregate.

2. The patsies (low IQ people who have been ensnared/entrapped by various intelligence agencies and groups to act as a participant in terrorist activities) will be mostly US citizens. Of course some of them will be muslims but you will begin to see white guys being blamed as well. The people behind the false flags want the average citizen to think of the person who lives next door could be a terrorist so they can fully usher in the snitch society. You can already see this happening with the "if you see something say something" campaign that Homeland Security is spamming all over the place.

3. The false flags will be mostly car bombs/package bombs with some suicide bombers mixed in for extra terror.

4. People will be afraid to go out and shop, go to a football game, ride a bus. The sheep will welcome TSA stye molestation at every public event they attend and every form of public transportation.

5. The crashing economy will be blamed on these terrorists.

6. The internet will be blamed for allowing the terrorists a forum to recruit, spread their message of hate, and coordinate their attacks. So say goodbye to anons on the net. It's over. You can also expect the net to go down for periods of time.

7. The next false flags are most likely just around the corner. The average citizen turd has become too apathetic so they need to be recharged with some good old fashioned hatred and fear. Plus places like Iran and Syria need to be taken out. Look for any false flags to be connected to them in regards to providing funding and explosives. I really feel the false flags will be on US soil instead of on military targets such as aircraft carriers and foreign bases because the average USA turd is too apathetic and removed from reality that they don't give a damn about anything that does not affect their freedom to wolf down another load of poison from McDonalds or interrupt their sports channel. Humans have really devolved to a sickening state :throwup

How do I know all of this? All you have to do is listen to the propaganda and terror that is spewed to the masses on a daily basis. They tell you what is going to happen before it happens so you brain is properly programmed to act and believe a certain way.

So Mutt, I hope I answered your question. The fact is that the USA is finished. The economy will NEVER be the same as it was. The Bill of Rights and Constitution are distant memories. It is OVER. The only way to survive is to be good little citizens and accept whatever new system is presented to you after the economy crashes. Also it will help to have Homeland Security on speed dial and report your friends, family, co-workers, etc whenever they speak subversively. Become a world class snitch and your future will be secure. We might still be a year or two away from the economy crashing but I do feel we are on the verge (within the next several months) of some horrific false flags.

BTW, Steven Harper is every bit as dirty as Obama, Clinton, and Bush so I wold not feel removed from the situation if I was in Canada either.

You can also expect that thousands of "truthers" have been profiled and intelligence agencies are working with a handful of carefully picked specimens with low IQ to be set up as patsies for future false flags. So the media will repeat over and over and over that the terrorist believed in 9/11 truth so he built a bomb and blew up a federal building which housed a daycare center, sporting event, church, or shopping center to get attention for the cause. This will instantly make 99% of sheep not want be associated with 9/11 truth in any way. Goodbye 9/11 truth movement. Same thing happened to the militia movement with the Oklahoma City bombing and it was very effective. Problem solved.

Actually that argument does have some merit.

I disagree with the Iraq War 2 theory though.

cliff notes: too busy watching tv to do anything.

I can break that long post down and you will have 99% of the info....

Vote for Rick Perry and his perfect hair and everything will be fine! He is absolutely not handled by the same people who handle Obama, Huntsman, Bush, Clinton, Romney, Bachman, Palin, Gore, etc etc etc.

Believe in the Republican/Democrat system and we will turn things around. Also make sure to make social pariahs out of anyone who says the top levels of the federal government and intelligence agencies are involved in false flags against their own citizens.

Well, what do you expect when you come off acting like a jackass?

Fact: the investigation into the 9/11 attacks were done less than half assed. The biggest terrorist attack ever on US soil and they don't do even a half respectable investigation.

Fact: since 9/11 all other terrorist organizations have been all but replaced. Now all of a sudden, EVERYONE is now "Al Qaeda".

Fact: 95% of you think we're beating the terrorists. But you fail to realize, no matter what you believe about the attacks themselves, the terrorist have won. Think on how many freedoms were lost since 9/11 all in the name of keeping you "safe".

Fact: Everything we have a hand in in the Middle East is over Oil and money, NOT stopping terrorists.

Fact: There was not a single "WMD" found, ever.

Fact: Not all of us are "truthers"... but not all of us believe that nonsense bullshit they put out as the official story.

Lastly, if you want to carry on like a dimwitted jackass... expect to get treated like one... dick.

well played sir :)

so a temporary ceasefire requires a congressional vote to invade the 2nd time?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_R...s_Against_Iraq

You realize WWI ended for one reason, right? Influenza. Nobody won that one.

Really? So the thousand interview in dozens of countries and millions of pages of documents was what? This was the largest investigation the United States government has ever done. The book they released to the public - that was only a summary.

Odd, because this morning the attacks in Afghanistan was by the Taliban, not Al Qaeda.

How many freedoms have I list? Let's see. I can still travel from state to state in my car without having to file paperwork in advance and get permission. I can still get on an airplane showing nothing more than my driver's license, and after a quick search - which has been the standard since I was born forty years ago - I can travel anywhere in the US. They still need a warrant to enter my house, and I don't live in fear of the police at any level.

So what freedoms have I lost? Nothing at all has changed for me.

Sure, because all of the oil the United States gets comes from the Middle East, right?

You do understand the largest exporters of oil to the US is Canada and Mexico, right?

We tend to think that all oil comes from the Middle East. This is not true. The United States, Russia, Cannda - are huge producers of oil. This isn't about oil at all. 9/11 and Afghanistan has nothing to do with oil. At all.

World War One was before my time. What unit did you serve in then?

Despite this, which I think McVeigh was unaware of, I'm pretty sure the Government killed more children at Waco than were killed in the Oklahoma Bombing. But, hey, they were "weirdos" so deserved it, right?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

He was home sick in bed and couldn't fight.


When someone tells me that they think 9/11 was orchestrated by the US, I laugh at them and rank them somewhere between a person who is paranoid schizophrenic and mildly retarded. I lose all respect for that person and pity them that they are so out in left field (or sick) to think such nonsense. :2 cents:

Even if one doesn't agree, it is always good to keep an open-mind. It's dangerous to assume people are crazy or stupid for having a different political view.

Look at religion, some religions are highly skilled at making followers believe whatever they are told, but it doesn't mean the followers are mad or foolish, especially not if they've been indoctrinated from birth. Indoctrination is of course quite different to education in that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned.

Are the truthers indoctrinated for wanting to question what they have been told by the mainstream media? It's the opposite, they are questioning what they have been told. Every so-called "Truther" has heard both sides of the story, whereas not all those who believe the "Official Story" have heard the alternative view.

We should all be encouraged to question and critically examine the assumptions that most make. Some will be right and others wrong, but it's important that we never stop questioning the world around us as if we do we'll be left in a vulnerable situation. :thumbsup

Man Arrested at Ground Zero for Demanding Truth

The material is good for late night intoxicated conversation. Best source: ae911truth.org

Hindenburg and Ludendorf and Hitler would likely disagree.

its a pity they didn't leave him alone, someone from the crowd would have bashed him eventually, id hope.

Unfortunately you are right to suggest that a primitive guy would most likely step forward and throw a punch :2 cents:

he should keep it to the internet then rather than screeming out at the top of his lungs at a memorial ceremony. his own personal views are unimportant to others and he is screaming out and upsetting people like some crazy religous fanatic asshole.

i don't care what you think happened you dont do that shit. its totally selfish and insensitive.

Punching him is worse than him shouting :2 cents:

It's amazing that this is what America has become. If you question one of the most defining events in recent American history you are instantly mocked, vilified, ignored, and abondoned as a hopeless loser.

That is why a lot of respectable academics and experts from various industries don't step forward. Those that have stepped forward and were considered reputable professionals from various different industries were instantly placed in the conspiracy theorist & kook category.

This because we have had lots of conspiracy theories in the past 100 years, and none of them have panned out. If a conspiracy theory isn't proven true in the few few years, it's not true. You just can't hide secrets of this size.

unfortunately you are wrong. many secrets are hidden from you on a daily basis.
most of history as it is written is not factual at all.
it was written by the victors of war, who wrote things as they see fit.

It is not the asking of questions that gets one "instantly mocked, vilified, ignored, and abondoned as a hopeless loser."...it is the baseless conclusions made by one that gets one "instantly mocked, vilified, ignored, and abondoned as a hopeless loser."

We all lie to make a money(You can get laid on AFF, penis pills work,)
Why would anyone with half a brain think the people making billions would not lie?

For me that's an over simplification, as it depends how well it was carried out, there are many factors. Some people can lie very well while others can't. Certain conspiracies will never come out, others will come out decades later.

It's looking that way. At least with the Internet in it's current form, without the Internet I'm sure that the majority of people would still believe 9/11 was planned by Bin Laden and carried out by Saudi's with Boxcutters :2 cents:

I'm glad you've posted this video about PNAC as it answers a lot of questions that I often see asked.

PNAC used to write to Bill Clinton when he was president and tell him to send the US to war. He kept writing back saying "No". So then PNAC sent Monica Lewinsky into the White House to try to get Clinton out of the way, but that plan failed. When Bush didn't win the next election, PNAC had to use all of their power to pretend he did; with 9/11 planned and the "War on Terror", there was too much to lose if Bush didn't get in :2 cents:

You're right. It's almost as if someone was deliberately going out of their way to try and give people who question the Government a bad name.

And yet even you don't believe, for example, that LHO killed JFK.