1989 Video from AT&T Labs "Pandora" project defeats Acacia patent claims! - GoFuckYourself.com

Bladewire · 10-13-2003, 09:28 PM

I have found footage today from a 1989 AT&T Labs project ( in existence since 1986 ) that describes, and shows, how people can communicate through a network AND save video for later playback over a network. Thank you AT&T labs for documenting on video, in 1989, how this system works and demonstrating the usage of video over a network and live video conferencing. The video is typical 80's style and is 18megs. The file is located HERE

Detailed accounts from AT&T technicians regarding the development of the Pandora system is located HERE

After watching the video ... what is your input everyone??

Juicy D. Links · 10-13-2003, 09:28 PM

WiredGuy · 10-13-2003, 09:29 PM

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Originally posted by Squirtit
After watching the video ... what is your input everyone??

Please forward this thread to Homegrown Video / IMPA

WG

Bladewire · 10-13-2003, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Please forward this thread to Homegrown Video / IMPA
WG

I spoke with Far-L earlier today regading this and sent him all related info

~Ray · 10-13-2003, 09:33 PM

Scratch out Acacia's name and insert AT&T's...

~Ray

WiredGuy · 10-13-2003, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Squirtit
I spoke with Far-L earlier today regading this and sent him all related info

Thank you, let us know what the legal bees say about it...
WG

WiredGuy · 10-13-2003, 09:34 PM

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Originally posted by AdvertisingSex
Scratch out Acacia's name and insert AT&T's...

~Ray

LOL

Amputate Your Head · 10-13-2003, 09:36 PM

there's actually a place in that video where a document is shown on the guys screen and you can clearly see the date as November 1989....

interesting

Bladewire · 10-13-2003, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AdvertisingSex
Scratch out Acacia's name and insert AT&T's...

~Ray

Read the documentation on the archives I've linked to and you wouldn't make that statement.

Amputate Your Head · 10-13-2003, 09:39 PM

this PDF is pretty damaging to Acacia too....
http://www-lce.eng.cam.ac.uk/publica...es/tr.89.1.pdf

Bladewire · 10-13-2003, 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
there's actually a place in that video where a document is shown on the guys screen and you can clearly see the date as November 1989....

interesting

Cool huh? :D

And documentation in the Archives I linked to date back to the beginning of their research and development as being 1986 !

WiredGuy · 10-13-2003, 09:39 PM

Out of curiousity, how did you stumble on this find. Looks very promising.

WG

Bladewire · 10-13-2003, 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
Out of curiousity, how did you stumble on this find. Looks very promising.

WG

I've been working my ass off to find prior art and help the Acacia fight. Since it's something that could affect us all in the future I thought it was important.

After sifting for hours through different FTP archives online I did a search today under the term "download video 1989" on yahoo. A ton of links came up.. one of which was the Pandora project.

bhutocracy · 10-13-2003, 09:45 PM

Bladewire · 10-13-2003, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
this PDF is pretty damaging to Acacia too....
http://www-lce.eng.cam.ac.uk/publica...es/tr.89.1.pdf

Yeah even though it covers real-time video and not video that is stored and viewed later it still shows all the research they were doing regarding this. Good work!

Bladewire · 10-13-2003, 09:49 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

WiredGuy · 10-13-2003, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by Squirtit
Yeah even though it covers real-time video and not video that is stored and viewed later it still shows all the research they were doing regarding this. Good work!

I was thinking the same thing while watching the video. Everything was mostly discussing live video and not digitally stored media that could be transferred at a later time but towards the end they touched base on that idea but I don't think they demonstrated it in the video. Let's see what the lawyers say about that since I believe the patent does not cover live transmissions, rather only stored media.

WG

WiredGuy · 10-13-2003, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

Bladewire · 10-13-2003, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy

I was thinking the same thing while watching the video. Everything was mostly discussing live video and not digitally stored media that could be transferred at a later time but towards the end they touched base on that idea but I don't think they demonstrated it in the video. Let's see what the lawyers say about that since I believe the patent does not cover live transmissions, rather only stored media.

WG

YES they demonstrated it in the video!

Didn't you watch the video? The guy was sent a video file over the network and clicked a file ( dated 1989 ) and watches a video with sound giving him directions!!

BRISK · 10-13-2003, 09:56 PM

Prior art rocks

WiredGuy · 10-13-2003, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Squirtit
YES they demonstrated it in the video!

Didn't you watch the video? The guy was sent a video file over the network and clicked a file ( dated 1989 ) and watches a video with sound giving him directions!!

Yes, I did. That's why I said towards the end they touched on it. I typed my original message while watching the video so I didn't wait until the end

WG

psyko514 · 10-13-2003, 10:01 PM

nice.

KRL · 10-13-2003, 10:01 PM

Why · 10-13-2003, 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Prior art rocks

is that an artist? or some kind of new age type of art?

Bladewire · 10-13-2003, 10:09 PM

Anyone remember any of the publications that reported on Acacia?

I think a press release is in order

Groove · 10-13-2003, 10:15 PM

Watched the video and skimmed the PDF.

This looks VERY promising!

Nice find Squirtit

Nima · 10-13-2003, 10:16 PM

very interesting stuff!
Way to go for finding this Squirtit!

Bladewire · 10-13-2003, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Groove
Watched the video and skimmed the PDF.

This looks VERY promising!

Nice find Squirtit

Thanks! I'm still searching for more prior art... I know there's more out there!

sexeducation · 10-13-2003, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Squirtit
I have found footage today from a 1989 AT&T Labs project ( in existence since 1986 ) that describes, and shows, how people can communicate through a network AND save video for later playback over a network. Thank you AT&T labs for documenting on video, in 1989, how this system works and demonstrating the usage of video over a network and live video conferencing. The video is typical 80's style and is 18megs. The file is located HERE

Detailed accounts from AT&T technicians regarding the development of the Pandora system is located HERE

After watching the video ... what is your input everyone??

Ya kewl ...
I'm going to wait then to re-install my old zipdrive ...
I have backups on 100meg zip disks of my "previous-TO-Win95" click and point DOS ...
it was called "Gem" or something ...

ytcracker · 10-13-2003, 10:23 PM

wtg squirt it awesome find

ytcracker · 10-13-2003, 10:24 PM

right around 2:00 they talk about the stored data

bhutocracy · 10-13-2003, 10:25 PM

Oh shit!, I only just watched the whole thing - that is DEVASTATING to acacia's case. As amp pointed out - it's even got a close up of the date in the guys email LOL. They are so fucked.

Bladewire · 10-13-2003, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy
Oh shit!, I only just watched the whole thing - that is DEVASTATING to acacia's case. As amp pointed out - it's even got a close up of the date in the guys email LOL. They are so fucked.

bhutocracy · 10-13-2003, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by ytcracker
right around 2:00 they talk about the stored data

yep.. so screwed. and it's for public release too not some bbs porno squirreled away.

Furious_Female · 10-13-2003, 10:27 PM

I didn't watch the video but did AT&T patent anything?

bhutocracy · 10-13-2003, 10:31 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female
I didn't watch the video but did AT&T patent anything?

probably, but even if they did at least the acacia leeches are squashed. AT&T would then have to decide whether to follow the same dubious path, and given their business isn't 100% solely based on patent revenue thats a fairly long bow to draw.. and even if it was it would take ages for the process to be initiated and get to the stage it's at at the moment so at the very least it would buy another year. Anyways.. it's all early days we don't know how this prior art will actually play out.

BRISK · 10-13-2003, 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by Squirtit

Thanks! I'm still searching for more prior art... I know there's more out there!

Great job squirtit!

Yes, there is definitely more out there. Everyone should keep searching.

bhutocracy · 10-13-2003, 10:32 PM

man they must be pissed at their prior art researchers.

Bladewire · 10-13-2003, 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by ytcracker
right around 2:00 they talk about the stored data

ANOTHER video file showing even more detail about this system they have created... showing STEP BY STEP how they create a video.. save it.. send it through the network.. and play it. ( near the end of the demonstration )

http://www.uk.research.att.com/pub/v...r-qsif-200.mpg

XxXotic · 10-13-2003, 10:34 PM

ooooh this should prove interesting

KC · 10-13-2003, 10:34 PM

Someone should track down the author of these research papers and get their input on ACACIA's Claims.

Author:
Andy Hopper
Title:
Pandora - An Experimental System for Multimedia Applications

I wonder what Andy Hopper thinks about ACACIA's ridiculous claims!!

Bladewire · 10-13-2003, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bhutocracy

yep.. so screwed. and it's for public release too not some bbs porno squirreled away.

Yeah good thing about it .... Video Documentation from Cambridge University!!! NO arguing with that

Amputate Your Head · 10-13-2003, 10:35 PM

here's some more stuff that looks rather interesting... straight outta the IEEE Journal on selected areas in communications, specifically, Volume: 7, Issue: 5, Year: Jun 1989

gotta be a member to access the full journals, but you can see by the two pages of very descriptive titles that Acacia did NOT invent this shit.

bhutocracy · 10-13-2003, 10:35 PM

they keep on saying that they've got many patents covering the different parts of the process and each bit of prior art has to be found to defeat the threat.. but I mean, who gives a damn about their crappy system and the way it works as long as the bit thats pertinent to us - downloaded video - is invalidated they can keep the rest and dance a merry jig

sexeducation · 10-13-2003, 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK

Great job squirtit!

Yes, there is definitely more out there. Everyone should keep searching.

Okie dokie I will continue to install my old zipdrive ...
Hopefully - I don't have to install that old "DOS" that was also picture driven and which MS "drove over" ...

I'm pretty sure it was called "Gem" and I watched video play on it ... then it was an IBM based "icon type" system that mimicked the Amiga system ...but for PC's ..

FreeHugeMovies · 10-13-2003, 10:37 PM

Good shit!

bhutocracy · 10-13-2003, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Squirtit

Yeah good thing about it .... Video Documentation from Cambridge University!!! NO arguing with that

yep - seriously, congratulations.. great find mate.

Bladewire · 10-13-2003, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bhutocracy
man they must be pissed at their prior art researchers.

Yeah... all the time and effort... all the money... could have been spent on me .. a little Squirt!! ;) And God knows I need it to promote my site and make some $$$$

Bladewire · 10-13-2003, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
here's some more stuff that looks rather interesting... straight outta the IEEE Journal on selected areas in communications, specifically, Volume: 7, Issue: 5, Year: Jun 1989

gotta be a member to access the full journals, but you can see by the two pages of very descriptive titles that Acacia did NOT invent this shit.

Better yet this is Video documentation I've found.. detailing EVERY step and SHOWING it .. you can't argue with that ;)

sexeducation · 10-13-2003, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Squirtit

Yeah... all the time and effort... all the money... could have been spent on me .. a little Squirt!! ;) And God knows I need it to promote my site and make some $$$$

Who ever finds this prior art will be getting A LOT of attention.
I will assist in making that happen as I am sure many others will.

10-13-2003, 09:28 PM	#1
Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,229	1989 Video from AT&T Labs "Pandora" project defeats Acacia patent claims! I have found footage today from a 1989 AT&T Labs project ( in existence since 1986 ) that describes, and shows, how people can communicate through a network AND save video for later playback over a network. Thank you AT&T labs for documenting on video, in 1989, how this system works and demonstrating the usage of video over a network and live video conferencing. The video is typical 80's style and is 18megs. The file is located HERE Detailed accounts from AT&T technicians regarding the development of the Pandora system is located HERE After watching the video ... what is your input everyone?? __________________ Skype: CallTomNow

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