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astronaut x · 04-19-2019, 10:03 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-now-question/

The report ”identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign” along with numerous lies told by the Trump campaign to hide those links. Mueller makes clear that the president eagerly welcomed a hostile foreign power’s help to win the election. That might not be a crime, but it is a shocking betrayal of the American people and of the trust placed in him as commander in chief. Put another way, Trump was indeed guilty of collusion.

The report suggests that in at least six of the 10 instances that Mueller examined, the president’s conduct meets all of the elements needed to prove obstruction under the law.

Why Trump won't be impeached...

The problem is that it would be impossible to find 67 votes in the Senate to convict Trump and remove him from office. This isn’t because the evidence is weak. It’s because Republicans are more loyal to the rule of Trump than to the rule of law.

crockett · 04-19-2019, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-now-question/

The report ”identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign” along with numerous lies told by the Trump campaign to hide those links. Mueller makes clear that the president eagerly welcomed a hostile foreign power’s help to win the election. That might not be a crime, but it is a shocking betrayal of the American people and of the trust placed in him as commander in chief. Put another way, Trump was indeed guilty of collusion.

The report suggests that in at least six of the 10 instances that Mueller examined, the president’s conduct meets all of the elements needed to prove obstruction under the law.

Why Trump won't be impeached...

The problem is that it would be impossible to find 67 votes in the Senate to convict Trump and remove him from office. This isn’t because the evidence is weak. It’s because Republicans are more loyal to the rule of Trump than to the rule of law.

Democrats need to impeach in the House. That's their duty at this point, if Republicans fail to protect the rule of law in the Senate then that's on them and voters will determine the consequence.

Trump must be impeached in the House, no what ifs or excuses. The Consitution demands they take action, if Republicans put party over country to protect Trump then we will remove them from office.

Once full impeachment proceedings take place the evidence will show Trump has conspired with the Russians and he obstructed justice. They didnt investigate "collussion" they instead "raised the bar" to "conspiracy" which is nearly impossible to prove in a case like this. I dunno who did that but they made it impossible to prove that "conspiracy" took place.

That's a higher standard than collusion.

The house doesn't have to be dictated by FBI rules, they do not have to prove "conspiracy".. High crimes and misdemeanors is what is required for impeachment.. There is no argument that Trump's crimes reach that level..

The House must do its duty and then the Senate can either do their duty or play party politics but sayi g what if the Senate doesnt do this or that is not of consequence at this moment. Impeachment is what the Consitution requires and the House can most certainly vote to impeach.

Even if Republicans fail to follow up with it in the Senate Trump will still be listed as a impeached president in all the history books and the Democrats will have done what is required of them.

If Republicans refuse to follow the Consitution then they will be shown to be traitors and we can treat them accordingly.

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astronaut x · 04-19-2019, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Democrats need to impeach in the House. That's their duty at this point, if Republicans fail to protect the rule of law in the Senate then that's on them and voters will determine the consequence.

Trump must be impeached in the House, no what ifs or excuses. The Consitution demands they take action, if Republicans put party over country to protect Trump then we will remove them from office.

Once full impeachment proceedings take place the evidence will show Trump has conspired with the Russians and he obstructed justice. They didnt investigate "collussion" they instead "raised the bar" to "conspiracy" which is nearly impossible to prove in a case like this. I dunno who did that but they made it impossible to prove that "conspiracy" took place.

That's a higher standard than collusion.

The house doesn't have to be dictated by FBI rules, they do not have to prove "conspiracy".. High crimes and misdemeanors is what is required for impeachment.. There is no argument that Trump's crimes reach that level..

The House must do its duty and then the Senate can either do their duty or play party politics but sayi g what if the Senate doesnt do this or that is not of consequence at this moment. Impeachment is what the Consitution requires and the House can most certainly vote to impeach.

Even if Republicans fail to follow up with it in the Senate Trump will still be listed as a impeached president in all the history books and the Democrats will have done what is required of them.

If Republicans refuse to follow the Consitution then they will be shown to be traitors and we can treat them accordingly.

Well there are many Democrats and other educated thinkers that believe trying to impeach him, knowing it will not pass the Senate, will actually work in Trump's favor.

DukeSkywalker · 04-19-2019, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-now-question/

The report ”identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign” along with numerous lies told by the Trump campaign to hide those links. Mueller makes clear that the president eagerly welcomed a hostile foreign power’s help to win the election. That might not be a crime, but it is a shocking betrayal of the American people and of the trust placed in him as commander in chief. Put another way, Trump was indeed guilty of collusion.

The report suggests that in at least six of the 10 instances that Mueller examined, the president’s conduct meets all of the elements needed to prove obstruction under the law.

Why Trump won't be impeached...

The problem is that it would be impossible to find 67 votes in the Senate to convict Trump and remove him from office. This isn’t because the evidence is weak. It’s because Republicans are more loyal to the rule of Trump than to the rule of law.

It’s time for the tin foil

astronaut x · 04-19-2019, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

It’s time for the tin foil

Maybe you shouldn't put that tin foil hat on?

I am only the messenger here. Don't worry, your boy is likely safe for the next 18 months. After that.... oh man. He will be dealing with bigger problems. In the meantime, they have turned up even more dirt and will likely continue to do so.

The dems want Trump. Bad. They will make his life a living hell. I wouldn't be surprised to see that stress take a physical toll on him. The guy will be lucky he doesn't have a heart attack or stroke before he leaves office or shorty thereafter.

crockett · 04-19-2019, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

Well there are many Democrats and other educated thinkers that believe trying to impeach him, knowing it will not pass the Senate, will actually work in Trump's favor.

They are worrying about politics not the good of this country. We can not continue to let these criminals get away with crimes. If we do then our laws and the Constitution are worthless. Trump is not Bill Clinton he will not get a bump in the polls because anyone with an ounce of brains can see the crimes that were committed..

Trump is a egotistical sociopath, he's a criminal a bigot, a racist.. he's not getting a poll bump after being impeached because not even Republicans like him. The only people who die hard support Trump are the same people that would support Trump no matter what he does.

They do not matter because they will never be won over they will always be brainwashed fools. They are irrelevant..

If Democrats impeach Trump these brain dead fools will cry witch hunt, if Democrats dont impeach Trump they will say see it was all a witch hunt... There is no reasoning with these morons, they are irrelevant..

My point is proven by idiots like Duke here.. nothing you say will ever make him think its not fake news. He's a lost cause a idiot.. These are the same idiots that will argue vaccinations are bad or the moon landings were fake or Global Warming is a plot by Al Gore to steal money. They are idiots they are Trump's base..

Diomed · 04-19-2019, 11:27 PM

You think we are attacking you when we say things like.. "Take a step back and jump in front of a mirror, you are being brain washed"..

But for someone who is triggered 24-7 for two years straight "trump trump trump", wasting your one life away, all the while being totally clueless to the origin of this emotional outrage.. (Clueless or in denial)..

We are telling you precisely what you need to hear.. Whether you like it or not.

It's been 24-7 triggered behavioral loops that have "zero positive impact" on anything at all (fact), and you people are still ducking from honest self reflection that might just redirect your life toward something of actual substance and meaning (outside of convincing yourself just how good you are..)

My suggestion, research stoicism.

You people claim to care so much.. Yet you've put yourself into a box.

Liberals still have no message outside of "orange man bad, kill his deplorable followers, and everyone who disagrees with you is a racist bigot piece of shit because your emotions are the highest deck of civility".

It's fucking laughable how ignorant and childish that whole shtick is..

In fact, it's dangerous.. and it's having the exact opposite effect as intended/hoped for.. You are pushing away centrist and reasonable people who still maintain a sense of self awareness and humor.

Maybe you'll understand after 2020..

The only real thing we've gotten out of liberals is the green new deal which almost everyone agrees is absurd.

astronaut x · 04-19-2019, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

They are worrying about politics not the good of this country. We can not continue to let these criminals get away with crimes. If we do then our laws and the Constitution are worthless. Trump is not Bill Clinton he will not get a bump in the polls because anyone with an ounce of brains can see the crimes that were committed..

Trump is a egotistical sociopath, he's a criminal a bigot, a racist.. he's not getting a poll bump after being impeached because not even Republicans like him. The only people who die hard support Trump are the same people that would support Trump no matter what he does.

They do not matter because they will never be won over they will always be brainwashed fools. They are irrelevant..

If Democrats impeach Trump these brain dead fools will cry witch hunt, if Democrats dont impeach Trump they will say see it was all a witch hunt... There is no reasoning with these morons, they are irrelevant..

My point is proven by idiots like Duke here.. nothing you say will ever make him think its not fake news. He's a lost cause a idiot.. These are the same idiots that will argue vaccinations are bad or the moon landings were fake or Global Warming is a plot by Al Gore to steal money. They are idiots they are Trump's base..

I get what you are saying but he will not get impeached. A lot of people will see the Dems try to impeach, the Senate will not, and the "idiots" and people that don't follow politics will believe that Trump was wrongfully targeted and ultimately vote him in for another term.

astronaut x · 04-19-2019, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Diomed

It's been 24-7 triggered behavioral loops that have "zero positive impact" on anything at all (fact), and you people are still ducking from honest self reflection that might just redirect your life toward something of actual substance and meaning (outside of convincing yourself just how good you are..)

Go make another post about Bladewire, then come back here and read that again.

Diomed · 04-19-2019, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

Go make another post about Bladewire, then come back here and read that again.

I'm on this forum an average of 27 minutes a day across a 7 day week (yes I keep track)... and trolling you is highly enjoyable, but then I start to feel sorry for you. Honestly.

Whatever you do don't look in the mirror..

Nice rebuttal btw.

DukeSkywalker · 04-20-2019, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

Maybe you shouldn't put that tin foil hat on?

I am only the messenger here. Don't worry, your boy is likely safe for the next 18 months. After that.... oh man. He will be dealing with bigger problems. In the meantime, they have turned up even more dirt and will likely continue to do so.

The dems want Trump. Bad. They will make his life a living hell. I wouldn't be surprised to see that stress take a physical toll on him. The guy will be lucky he doesn't have a heart attack or stroke before he leaves office or shorty thereafter.

The deep state wants trump. Not the dems. The dems are the pawns. Nothing will happen to trump. If i’m right, leave this forum. How’s that? Fair?

DukeSkywalker · 04-20-2019, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

They are worrying about politics not the good of this country. We can not continue to let these criminals get away with crimes. If we do then our laws and the Constitution are worthless. Trump is not Bill Clinton he will not get a bump in the polls because anyone with an ounce of brains can see the crimes that were committed..

Trump is a egotistical sociopath, he's a criminal a bigot, a racist.. he's not getting a poll bump after being impeached because not even Republicans like him. The only people who die hard support Trump are the same people that would support Trump no matter what he does.

They do not matter because they will never be won over they will always be brainwashed fools. They are irrelevant..

If Democrats impeach Trump these brain dead fools will cry witch hunt, if Democrats dont impeach Trump they will say see it was all a witch hunt... There is no reasoning with these morons, they are irrelevant..

My point is proven by idiots like Duke here.. nothing you say will ever make him think its not fake news. He's a lost cause a idiot.. These are the same idiots that will argue vaccinations are bad or the moon landings were fake or Global Warming is a plot by Al Gore to steal money. They are idiots they are Trump's base..

We went through 2 years of this & nothing, and I’m the one who’s an idiot & can’t be reasoned with? It’s a clown world. A mother fuckin, clown world. Honk Honk

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Diomed Converting like it's 1999 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: The South Posts: 6,165	You think we are attacking you when we say things like.. "Take a step back and jump in front of a mirror, you are being brain washed".. But for someone who is triggered 24-7 for two years straight "trump trump trump", wasting your one life away, all the while being totally clueless to the origin of this emotional outrage.. (Clueless or in denial).. We are telling you precisely what you need to hear.. Whether you like it or not. It's been 24-7 triggered behavioral loops that have "zero positive impact" on anything at all (fact), and you people are still ducking from honest self reflection that might just redirect your life toward something of actual substance and meaning (outside of convincing yourself just how good you are..) My suggestion, research stoicism. You people claim to care so much.. Yet you've put yourself into a box. Liberals still have no message outside of "orange man bad, kill his deplorable followers, and everyone who disagrees with you is a racist bigot piece of shit because your emotions are the highest deck of civility". It's fucking laughable how ignorant and childish that whole shtick is.. In fact, it's dangerous.. and it's having the exact opposite effect as intended/hoped for.. You are pushing away centrist and reasonable people who still maintain a sense of self awareness and humor. Maybe you'll understand after 2020.. The only real thing we've gotten out of liberals is the green new deal which almost everyone agrees is absurd. __________________ 10 years of experience in: CHAT SALES - PAID TRAFFIC - CONVERSION - CREATIVES - CONSULTATION