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5 Reasons Why Poor and Middle Class Americans Vote Republican


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mineistaken

Yeah, if you are poor you are voting against your interests voting for republicans. You must vote leftist if you are poor - for your interest.
Quality people should vote right, lazy/handout people should vote left. As simple as that.

sandman!

you could write a top 5 also for democrats

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12clicks

The idiot left goes to great lengths to prove their imagined superior intelligence.

Joshua G

good article, well illustrates the tone deafness of the left with respect to...

RURAL people. since the writer didnt state a thing with respect to why rural people are libertarian & city people are democrats.

see, in the heartland, they are less dependent on govt than in the city. rural people dont need cops because they have guns. they dont need race quotas, dont need homeless shelters. they never get back in taxes what they pay.

meanwhile, city people DEPEND on government. simple reverse every comment i made on rurals...they need cops cause they have no guns, need race quotas, need homeless shelters to help the dysfunctional people liberalism generates.

so when a liberal says a poor republican is voting against self interest, it demonstrates the political aptitude of a 5th grader. ignorance. an inability to put themselves in someone elses shoes.

liberals are fucking morons.

L-Pink

Bravo! Bravo! Bravo!







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bronco67

1. Civil and equal rights for all Americans.

2. Freedom for anyone to marry anyone else they choose of either sex.

3. Freedom to smoke herbs grown from the earth.

4. Reigning in Wall Street and big oil.

5. Woman's control over her own body.

That's five off the top of my head. Do those seem like bad things?

Republicans are either against or trying to stop those things in some form or another. They're fucking villains.

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Joshua G

your talking about midwestern CORPORATIONS that get those, you fucking dimwit. not the little people. dumbass!

too easy to destroy you.

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Here's another federal government freebie that rural people, the "little people", aren't collecting, right Joshua G? LOL

"Individual Water and Waste Water Grants (WWD) provide government funds to households residing in an area recognized as a colonia before October 1, 1989. Grant funds may be used to connect service lines to a residence, pay utility hook-up fees, install plumbing and related fixtures, i.e. bathroom sink, bathtub or shower, commode, kitchen sink, water heater, outside spigot, or bathroom, if lacking."

Individual Water & Wastewater Grants | USDA Rural Development

mineistaken

You must be fucking kidding me!

Hypocricy at the highest level.
They (democrats) officially racially discriminate certain races!
Talk to 2 GFYers who were racially discriminated because of their race when they wanted to join firefighters. One was sperbonzo and I do not remember another name.

Paul Markham

Great article and mostly right. The argument about rural areas is typical. Farmers don't get back their money!!!!

Do they think Wars are free? I could go on and on about how the Government spends their money in ways they approve of, but the right wing will never listen.

In a country, that has a very low level of tax, the whole argument is absurd.

United States 26.9

Denmark 49.0
Sweden 45.8
Belgium 45.4
France 44.6
Finland 43.6
Norway 43.6
Austria 43.4
Germany 40.6
Netherlands 39.8
UK 39.0
Czech Republic 36.3
European Union 35.7

We do get a far better and cheaper healthcare free at the point of need, insurance and not terrified of getting old or sick.

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Paul Markham

Was that discrimination legal?

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directfiesta

you are European, right ?

mce

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kane

This isn't my experience. I grew up in a small rural town. Sure, there wasn't as much violent crime, but there was no shortage of people on food stamps and collecting welfare. There was a church that ran a food bank once a week and there was always a line to get into it.

The town I grew up in also had a few homeless people in it. There was a kid I went to high school with whose family lived in a tent.

Paul Markham

The reason for the Gulf oil spill was the sham of inspectors. Same goes for the Flint Drinking Water and I'm sure other man/business created disasters.

Of course, the biggest fuck up by Government was the 2008 bank crash. The Bankers knew they were selling $1 for $1.50 and expected the Government to back their sales. The Governments were unaware of the debt the banks were getting them into or compliant in building the debt. Whatever, the lack of decent inspectors led to the World paying the price.

How much control of the US Government by big business led to these disasters?

To say it doesn't effect Rural Communities is stupid. How many from those States went to fight, die or wounded in wars during the last 20 years?

The article is closer to the truth than many think.

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nico-t

this is so unimportant and childish to worry about.

"i wanna get high dude, legalize weed!"

Wow, thats very important.

MiamiBoyz

MiamiBoyz

Actually it is a very important issue.

NakedWomenTime

Most of what is said in the article makes sense to me.

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Healthcare average expense in the US taxpayers' (working family) budget is $8,000 a year. The cost of bread and food stuffs are not subsidised in the US like I saw in Europe -- like a loaf of bread in France for ,80 to 1,6 euro and domestic cheese prices were a lot lower there. But you forgot to add the VAT tax on consumer spending in Europe so add that 18% to 22% (on consumption -- in France this was only 5% on food VAT -- where I live the sales tax on food is 0%) to the European taxpayer's rate.

Aside: I have has a rash of EU customers using US VPN services at my billing server trying to evade the new Digital VAT tax on internet purchases -- I know where they come from -- they are not fooling me.

Tax rates between the European countries and the US is really a red herring and irrelevant argument. You are comparing apples and oranges. This is like comparing Chinese and EU tax rates -- to what end? The services delivered to the population for their tax money are radically different.

Rural America has always had a high poverty rate. There are an elite group of corporate landowners and less elite farmers receiving crop subsidies but only some of rural America are getting government scraps of of some sort. In extreme cases of social welfare; food stamps, general assistance, and/or some grants or low cost loans as mentioned. Urban inhabitants get US federal assistance also. Urban America tends to be more aligned with the Democrat Party and rural America more aligned with the Republican Party -- this may be true -- but so what?

We are all Americans and have some common interests to build upon?

XMerchant

Let's add 5 more for Democrats:

6. Punishing those who create jobs and new ideas by redistributing their wealth to those who feel entitled to it, but don't feel like working as hard. This is taken directly from Communism, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs."

7. Avoiding due process with programs like Operation Choke Point which require banks to deny banking services to "undesirable" businesses which Democrats do not like, to try to force them out of business.

8. Supporting unions, artificially higher wages, and job outsourcing to force companies to manufacture in foreign countries rather than at home.

9. Creating a subsidized healthcare system administered by inefficient government employees with no accountability.

10. Raising taxes to expand government with more regulation and bureaucracy.

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JA$ON

1 BIG reason......

In most countries, people are reasonable about their lot in life, but in the US....everyone thinks, I may not be rich, but I'll be rich one day.

Paul Markham

The figures were for all taxes including VAT.

Your healthcare costs are per person not per family. Find one that disagrees, you might find it hard. Did you include Government spending on Healthcare?



Precisely my point, we get a lot more for our money.

Because the poor vote for the rich to get richer. And if voters don't start to vote differently nothing will change. One President can't change as much as some think.

Americans don't have common interests. The rich don't share any interest with the poor.

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@paul

That figure depends on what and how you count -- you are quoting a top-of-the-line employer paid plan that might include medical, dental and optical for the employee and their dependants.

Health Insurance Premiums and Premium Costs by State

Stay out of the USA -- you can't afford to live here. Fortunately, I can but many have hard times here I did once too.
I have been to Prague a few times there is no comparison. If you are happy in Brno --fine.

Did you include state income taxes, sales taxes, use taxes and property taxes in your US figure-- probably not.

This chart is more current but this is only Federal Taxes -- what the exact 'local jurisdiction taxes' are in all the countries is not stated. It is not that unusual here to pay 1% to 2.5% property tax on the assessed value or equalized value of your home (100% to 50% of the value) -- the average value of an existing home is about $250K (national average).



source:Forbes




source:Forbes

You think you get a lot more for your money? How much income are you paying 36.3% on ? Don't answer that it is a rhetorical question -- but if you are making 100K euro a year you are not coming out ahead

Now get your crying towel out, we (in the USA) have a lot of adjustments to our taxable income your chart does not show; pension tax deferred accounts, property tax deductions, healthcare cost deductions, tax differed healthcare savings accounts that can be used tax free for allowed healthcare expenses. You might be able to legally exclude 25% to 35% of your income from any tax. This increases many of our "standards of livid" and disposable income.

No, I don't want to pay 10% more off the top really. I am already paying property taxes to pay for free K-12 education, I don't have any kids in school but it's a social obligation, also the quality of the school district supports higher home values -- so I do get some direct benefit from the expense.

But getting back to the topic: some poorer (not many) and many middle class people do support the Republican Party. Hey, it is a free country, and many less affluent people want to live independent lives from government manipulation -- that is their right to strive for. However, both Republicans and Democrats support military spending often not to the benefit of the citizen-voters. There is no black and white clarity (no pun intended) in American politics -- only a fuzzy grey-zone -- there never has been that big of a difference since I remember really. The poor and lower middle-class supporters of the Republican party today are the prodigy of Nixon's Southern Democrat Strategy. You would need a deep understanding of American politics to understand this. You also forget Abe Lincoln and T.R. Roosevelt, their heads are enshrined on Mount Rushmore, two of the greatest Presidents and leaders of the US were Republicans. However, I think they would turn over in their graves if they saw what is happening today

mce

You mean jobs are created by government magic?

WHOA!

/sarc

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Robbie

So all the minorities who vote Democrat are not poor or poor middle class people?

And are all the minority groups well educated as well?

If this is so...and all the different ethnic groups are well educated and making plenty of money...then why do they bitch all the time?

ANSWER: Because they are NOT well educated and they are poor. And these ignorant and poor masses regularly vote Democrat in every election.

Fortunately...the DNC is using "Super Delegates" to give the election to Hillary and to make sure that these poor, uneducated people's votes don't really count anyway in picking their nominee.

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Paul Markham

My figures were overall tax paid per person from online. So if they're all wrong, go tell them.

I think that proves my point.

Nothing will stop the move to the left because more people see them looking after the majority rather than the right wing. Whether Trump has any policies behind his soundbites, we're yet to see.

@mce
There isn't a successful businessman in the world who can't be bought. Nice to see your faith in what a politician or businessman says.

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Barry-xlovecam

Paul we are not living in 1948. You can't compare the knowledge and the treatments in the medical fields that we have today. As a cancer survivor you should know -- if you got cancer in 1948 you needed a lawyer to draft your will and to go pray for forgiveness -- you were a goner in most cases.

Still, Healthcare costs need to be controlled but if they are controlled can the US "medibiz" adjust to the new controlled prices? Can we eliminate the medibiz with a federal government administrated program like Medicare or Medicaid is now? Should the US government take over the medical treatment facilities (clinics and hospitals)? Truth is; private pay patients are overcharged in part to subsidize the low reimbursement prices paid by Medicare or Medicaid -- Medicaid ( public assistance medical payments ) in particular -- the rest is because medbiz can get away with it -- capitalism at its finest .

Donald Trump lists no official position on healthcare on his campaign's website so who knows what he really intends -- depends on which way the hot air is blowing that day. Hillary has, as usual, some 'fuzzy' position on universal healthcare and Bernie stands out having officially proposed, endorsed and embraced universal heathcare.

Americans don't like to pay for anything unless they can eat it, fuck it or drive it for the most part.

Raising taxes to pay for healthcare or education will face a lot of opposition from people who will have to pay the new taxes as always ...

Penny24Seven

Just listen to Paul, He is an American and knows best. Wait what....

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12clicks

no, in most countries, success is vilified. Here in the US, we still believe that if you earned it, you should get to keep it. Government is certainly trying to change that by telling the rabble that their failure is because of the successful. If it works, we'll be as doomed as the EU. Just a few years later.

Paul Markham

So the US can't do what the rest of the Modern World can do and does it for far less money. I now understand your reasonable argument based on inability. For 100% cover and no one falling in the GAP.

New Study Finds Serious Gaps in Health Care Quality for America's Children | RAND

Let?s fill gaps in state?s health care system | The Sacramento Bee

As for education. Then fall behind the emerging nations, because it costs too much. When in fact it will save money in the long run. If you can't see why the US is falling behind China and will continue to decline. Then I can't persuade you.

As for me and my cancer. I would have been dead if covered by US Insurance Companies. My treatment was experimental. This is an often used method by insurance companies for denying paying for Healthcare.

5 Reasons Your Health Insurance Plan Will Deny Your Medical Bill - NerdWallet

So I got an experimental procedure that saved my life and in America would have been denied because Americans insist on paying more to private companies.

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Paul Markham

Success isn't vilified here. What's vilified is companies avoiding paying taxes.

Yes, companies have exported millions of US jobs to the Third World and no the wealth or jobs no longer trickle down. This process started in the 1960s with cheap clothes coming in from the Far East. Now Boeing has a factory in China, along with GM, Avon, GE, and AT&T. Plus many others. http://www.cnbc.com/2015/09/21/why-u...for-china.html

When you find fewer people can afford to have their roofs fixed it will hit your pocket.

Don't worry, you can rely on the Bankers to keep you rich.

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Grapesoda

I'm still trying to find one reason a Canadian even gives a fuck

12clicks

as usual, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. Look at the top tax rate in that joke of a country you live in. THAT is vilifying the rich. That money is then squandered on the bottom like you. In the end, it all comes crashing down because the leech class eventually sinks the boat the producer class keeps afloat.

mce

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JA$ON

I know, it drives me crazy. Common sense....

The difference between rich and poor has grown, BUT the level of wealth of the poor is growing. They somehow think it would be better if the difference between rich and poor stayed the same, and the level of wealth of the poor hadn't grown at all, LOL.

In a free society, people use their talents to create amazing things and get rich. Those people hire people, create wealth etc etc. The free market doesn't let someone get ONE PENNY richer than they should. People act as though the rich are deciding how much to make, lol. If a hedge fund manager make 30mm a year, thats what the market decided his skills and value were worth.

P.S. The did an interview with a line of people outside waiting to get their gov. checks.....this is the "poor" in the us. EVERY one of them had a cell phone, an apartment, ate 3 meals that day, Had cable/Satellite. Our "poor" live better than kings and queens did 200 years ago. And considering most of it comes from this bloated entitlement state, I don't really get why they are yelling at the people who are making this happen for them. People LOOSE money when they take a job because they loose their benefits.....

In Denmark (I might have that wrong, but it was an EU country) They gave people unemployment for 5 YEARS after loosing a job. Amazingly, people seems to find a new job at exactly 5 yrs. When they cut it to 3....take a guess when people found a new job....37 months, lol.

Paul Markham

The exportation of jobs has created the poor. Go back 50 years and the situation was very different. Now middle-class jobs are going East. As this increases, your income will suffer. The effect on industries, that sell a product bought with disposable cash will be huge.

Your income relies 100% on people who can afford your services. While you gloat at the section of society who have seen their jobs exported. Bear in mind it's now your customers jobs going East.

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Paul Markham

The 0.5% have no sympathy for the jobs of the 99.5%. Once Companies like Apple can move all their R & D to a country where it's cheaper. A few men at the top will destroy the jobs of many below them. This is an ongoing process. All the men at the top need is a middle class who can afford their products. That middle-class can be in China, India, etc.

Look at the industries listed as main exporters and see what's manufacturer in the US.

Of course long before that happens, there will be so many voting Democrat, things will change. Built into the Democratic system is the shift of voters based on income.

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suesheboy

Have you ever lived in a rural area? I have for more than 10 years and you are way wrong in your assessment.

While we all carry and know the sound of all of the cars in our area, we are thankful for the police.

Homelessness? It's an issue. Race issues? Don't get me started. The closest a black person came to being near my house was more than a mile away as none ever came through the road leading to my house.

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OK after all these years I agree with one of your posts.

Buying a lottery ticket today to celebrate.

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bronco67

I just stepped in to say "because they're fucking idiots brainwashed by Fox news".

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