Machete_

great thread

moeloubani

You need to look up the definition of that word bud because that's definitely not what I was being.

dyna mo

canadian forces afghanistan
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dyna mo

Canada sends helos, drones to back up troops in Afghanistan

http://www.stripes.com/news/canada-s...nistan-1.87786

fucking hypocrite.

dyna mo

Canadian soldier charged with murder in Afghanistan

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/wor...tml?id=1134693

MetaMan

You ignore my entire post and well thought out answer with whining about getting your feelings hurt.

So because I am anti war it is somehow condescending towards veterans? (which you cant even spell properly)

You make 0 sense.

And dont flatter yourself i didnt negative rep you. I dont neg rep people i feel sorry for.

moeloubani

Canadians are just as dumb for doing it as Americans are. Canadian soldiers are even dumber than the Americans are because at least the US is getting some sort of economic or strategic boost with their murdering. Canada gets a pat on the head from Israel. In return the rest of the world hates us for it. Trust me, I hate that Canada is in on this too.

MetaMan

you always talk like such a macho american. why not tone it down?

i will correct your post VETERAN. not VETERAN"S".

who do you think you are speaking on behalf of all veterans? now you are the one who should feel shameful.

dyna mo

During the fighting at Leonforte in July 1943, according to Mitcham and von Stauffenberg in the book The Battle of Sicily, The Loyal Edmonton Regiment killed captured German prisoners.[4][page needed]
Kurt Meyer, of the 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend, accused Canadian forces of the 3rd Canadian Infantry Division during the 1944 Normandy campaign of breaching the Hague Conventions. He claims that on 7 June notes were found that ordered no prisoners to be taken, information confirmed by Canadian infantry under interrogation; that prisoners were not to be taken if they hindered operations.[5] Hubert Meyer also confirms this story; he states that on 8 June a Canadian notebook was found that contained orders to not take prisoners if they impeded the attacking force.[6] Kurt Meyer also calls upon evidence from Bernhard Siebken’s war crimes trial during which the allegation was made that Canadian infantry shot, on at least one occasion, German soldiers who had surrendered during the campaign.[5]
C.P. Stacey, the Canadian official campaign historian, reports that on 14 April 1945 rumours had been spread that the commanding officer of the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada had been killed by a civilian sniper; this resulted in the highlanders setting fire to civilian property within the town of Friesoythe in a case of reprisal.[7] Stacey later wrote that the highlanders first removed German civilians from their property before setting the houses on fire, he commented that he was "glad to say that [he] never heard of another such case".[8]

Bryan G

LOL, did you or did you not say....

"Meta Man, FUCK YOU for the negative rep ASSHOLE"

So apparently you do give a shit.

I also care about Remembrance Day/Veterans day. I was laughing because you're getting all pissy about rep.

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dyna mo

Canadian Colonel Williams' Atrocities And Indefinite Surveillance Abuse
"Victims pleaded for lives before being murdered" Senior Canadian military officer's serial torture, rape & murder horror.

This senior Canadian military officer carried out 82 sexually perverted burglaries and two torture, rape, kidnap murders filming and photographing all of them.

http://garydchance-gary.blogspot.com...trocities.html

dyna mo

Reports confirm Canada’s complicity in Afghan state torture

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/ap...afgh-a27.shtml

MetaMan

The funny thing is i didnt even neg rep him. He just cant see who reps him because he is under 10k but he assumes im the only one who thinks he has no idea what he is talking about.

i wouldnt even take 2 seconds out of my day. funny he flattered himself though.

theking

They died in the service of their country...period. I am satisfied that you would not qualify to serve your country...for a variety of reasons.

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Only a fool thinks the world would be better off if Hitler and Japan weren't stopped.

Yes LOL if the cap fits.

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theking

Even ignorant people are entitled to their ...and that is all your opinions are worth.

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if by "their country" you mean Israel, then you are right.

dyna mo

now i am going to explain to you how you were being a hypocrite:

you post a picture of an american soldier who tortured gitmo inmates when canadian military has tortured their enemies.

you call american ww2 soldiers pussies, murderers when canadian military has done the same

you insult me & tell me i insult you for simply stating your hatred of the u.s. clouds your vision of history.

you call u.s. soldiers who command drones murderers when canadian also have drones in afghanistan.

you = fucking hypocrite.

Paul Markham

Today you enjoy the benefits that selling arms, supplies and food to Britain and Russia during WW2, brought to the US.

Or are you one of the rich?

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theking

Even ignorant people are entitled to their two cents ...and that is all your opinions are worth.

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Machete_

Nearly all US wars were dumb

Bad wars:

*US rebellion. Lost us Canada and a parliament.
*1812, meh.
*Civil War, killed 700K young white men to set Negros free to rape and pillage.
*WWI, killed millions of white people for nothing.
*WWII, gave the West to the Jews to debase and destroy.
*Korean War, saved them from Communism but they never said thank you.
*Vietnam, a noble effort against Judeo-Marxism but geographically hopeless.
*Various small wars for Israel, idiotic.

The good wars:

Mexican war, got us CA and the SW.
Spanish war, got us Cuba which we gave away, idiots.

seeandsee

i just think in ONE HAND its "good" (its not good but you will unerstand) hitler jumped too fast with war, imagine he got atom bomb in hand, mother fucker, that would be end of world,

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_Richard_

low blow..

sarettah

Bullshit on the brainwashed part.

Part of being in the military is being willing to do that which you are TOLD to do whether you believe in it or not, that is part of the sacrifice that you make when you join the military.

Don't ever mistake what a person in the military does under orders with what they believe, they are quite often 2 different things.

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Here's some of my research on the War of 1812:

Sometime around September 28, 2009, I was at the Canada-USA border to visit New York, USA. I visited New York, USA on September 29, 2009. There was a sign that said Canada and USA have had a long peaceful relationship for many decades. I am in Toronto, Canada right now.

The War of 1812 was a military conflict fought between the forces of the United States of America and those of the British Empire. The Americans declared war in 1812 for a number of reasons, including trade restrictions, impressment of American merchant sailors into the Royal Navy, British support of American Indian tribes against American expansion, and the humiliation of American honor. Until 1814, the British Empire adopted a defensive strategy, repelling multiple American invasions of the provinces of Upper and Lower Canada. However, the Americans won control of Lake Erie in 1813, seized parts of western Ontario, and destroyed the power of Britain's Indian allies both in Canada and in the Southwest. With the defeat of Napoleon in 1814, the British adopted a more aggressive strategy, sending in large combat armies. British victory at the Battle of Bladensburg in August 1814 allowed the British to capture and burn Washington, D.C. American victories in September 1814 and January 1815 repulsed British invasions of New York and New Orleans.

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ReGGs

Yeah if only slavery would have continued the world would be such a better place.

MetaMan

OHHHH ok so it is ok to do things you dont believe in because you are ordered to them? now i get it.

So you must think that the nazis who took orders to put millions of people into ovens were just "taking orders". ya those nazis were sure the ones making the sacrifice.

dont ever mistake tossing a flag or a different uniform on makes it 2 different things.

dyna mo

facts are facts. the dude wants to rip on the u.s.a. and call our troops pussies and murderers and point his finger. turn about is fair play.

he needs a mirror and several history lessons.

moeloubani

Yeah these guys seem to think that all Nazis were great men except for Hitler. The rest were just following orders and being brave, noble soldiers.

dynamo I never said that Canada was any different than the US. I don't make Canadian policy and if I did you can bet it would be different. Thread was about America that's why I was talking about the US. I know all about Canadian crazies and that there are just as many.

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sarettah

When you join the military (doesn't matter what country) you are saying that you are willing to do what the country (represented by the government of that country, which in my case is "we, the people") says must be done and place it as a higher priority then your own wants and beliefes.

So, yes, when you are serving "the many" it is not only ok but expected that you will do things that you do not personally believe are the right thing to do, because you are ordered to.

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2MuchMark

If it weren't for people like my Father who was a gunner in World War II, you wouldn't even be alive today. Your fucking idiot comment especially today, Remembrance day, is insulting and disgraceful. I suggest you go express your fucked up opinions to your father or grandfather and find out what they have to say about it, and about you. Asshole.

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MetaMan

answer my question. was the nazi solider putting bodies in the oven making a sacrifice or not?

then i already have a post written to respond to this one. but until then i wont respond because you choose to ignore my point.

sarettah

I did not ignore your point. Read what I wrote. I stated "any country".

That you have appear to have limited reading comprehension is not my problem.

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_Richard_

i heard bush admitted ok'ing torture in his new memoir

maybe some of our soldiers would rather go to prison as murderers than live lives as torturers.

dyna mo

i am not sure what your point is.

_Richard_

my point is you should have gone after cdn colonel sir.stranglesalot, rather than a solider who made a hard decision

dyna mo

soldiers make hard decisions in the fog of war. some right some wrong, that has nothing to do with what i am doing here.

you might of had a point if you addressed the original post that i was replying to instead of pointing your finger at me.

MetaMan

If it is easy why dont you just answer yes or no?

"That you have appear to have limited reading comprehension is not my problem."

that doesnt even make sense. wow so sad real sad.

theking

No...you did not hear President Bush admit to "ok'ing torture". What you heard was him stating that after legal consultation he agreed to allow certain enhanced interrogation methods...namely "water boarding".

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_Richard_

i apologize if you feel i'm pointing a finger at you. I stated that since it was your president who ok'd torture, allowing this soldier to come to a decision to kill a prisoner rather than turn him over to god knows what, i thought it was a lowblow calling our soldier the murderer.

_Richard_

that's right, because they had batteries laying around abu ghraib for the space heaters they provided the prisoners.

and speaking of your 'ok'd waterboarding'.. didn't you guys execute a bunch of japanese pows for 'waterboarding'?

yes.. yes... http://epicanthus.net/2010/02/22/jap...american-pows/

dyna mo

i was simply proving a point to your fellow countryman who feels the need to denigrate u.s. soldiers by calling them pussies and murderers for their participation in wwII

moeloubani

Yes because this quote could possibly mean anything else.

"Damn right," Bush said when asked if he gave the go-ahead for interrogators to use the controversial technique on alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and others.

"Three people were waterboarded and I believe that decision saved lives."

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...ub=CalgaryHome

moeloubani

I was saying dropping the atomic bomb was a pussy move, the soldiers that killed people were murderers and that hold true for both sides. But let's just say that the ones who waited the longest to get into the war and then when they actually faced something tough just went and killed 100,000 innocent people like fucking barbaric vikings are the REAL pussies. Isn't killing 100,000 innocent people in a way where they couldn't possibly defend themselves while they did nothing wrong a pussy move?

_Richard_

every country has their idiot/s

trying to point fingers on 'murders' while we have a colonel in prison for murdering and stalking women doesn't seem like such a great idea

dyna mo

that's where your history fails you. it was hardly a pussy move to drop those bombs. what you don't realize is the bombing of japan was killing far more civilians than the bombs did.

revisionary history tells you nukes are bad and in 2010, they are. in fact, they are an anomoly of civilization. But at that time, it was a much different story. civilians were THE target of all sides at that time. the fire bombing of london, the fire bombing of dresdon are 2 classic examples. civilians were fair targets. no such thing as smart/precision bombs at that time.

theking

No...there was not any Japanese soldiers executed for "waterboarding". There were some Japanese soldiers executed for torture and among their methods was "waterboarding". Most that were convicted of torture were sent to prison for various periods of time.

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In addition the use of the bombs saved millions of Japanese lives which an invasion of Japan would have cost the Japanese. It was estimated that an invasion of Japan would have cost us alone 1,000,000 million casualties.

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dyna mo

no need.