Darn! it looks like obama failed with his class warfare try - GoFuckYourself.com

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 09:09 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...come-tax-cuts/

looks like Americans aren't so self serving after all.

putting this nutbag president in his place finally.

as the intelligent know, less taxes and smaller government is good for everyone.

botfurom · 11-11-2010, 09:13 AM

So USA is not making any money now? Why need to increase the taxes in middle class?

Coup · 11-11-2010, 09:26 AM

foxnews.com

TheDoc · 11-11-2010, 09:26 AM

A bit stupid being that we already know the tax cuts don't actually help....or even if they shut the Gov down - all spending stopped, all wars ended, everything right now... it would still take us 5 years to pay off things. But if it makes the Republicans stop bitching for 2 minutes, then who cares!

Sly · 11-11-2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Coup

foxnews.com

It's on other sources as well. It's going to get rolled back. Particularly since now the big donors don't know what path they want to take for 2012. They are going to have to keep a lot of different people semi-happy.

CaptainHowdy · 11-11-2010, 09:27 AM

You mean "class struggle"??

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

A bit stupid being that we already know the tax cuts don't actually help....or even if they shut the Gov down - all spending stopped, all wars ended, everything right now... it would still take us 5 years to pay off things. But if it makes the Republicans stop bitching for 2 minutes, then who cares!

tell it to your president.

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by botfurom

So USA is not making any money now? Why need to increase the taxes in middle class?

no need to increase the tax on anyone.

ok, well maybe on those that pay nothing now.

TheDoc · 11-11-2010, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

tell it to your president.

I tried, but the screaming cry babies in DC are threating to shut the Gov down if he doesn't keep it how it is. It's hard to yell louder than a bunch of screaming bitches.

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's hard to yell louder than a bunch of screaming bitches.

this silly kettle has no self awareness. his incessant whining about his better's and how their money should be taken from them clouds any common sense he might have.

_Richard_ · 11-11-2010, 09:41 AM

i'm confused. that article is talking about extending tax cuts that bush put into place in 2001, with the expectation the rates would rise again. tax increases in a recession is bad business, so the debate is whether to leave the rates the same.. for the upper tax bracket

no?

Sly · 11-11-2010, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i'm confused. that article is talking about extending tax cuts that bush put into place in 2001, with the expectation the rates would rise again. tax increases in a recession is bad business, so the debate is whether to leave the rates the same.. for the upper tax bracket

no?

The cuts were set to expire completely. It created a hubbub. Then it was negotiated to extend cuts to a lower bracket. It created another hubbub. Then raising the lower bracket was talked about. Now an overall extension is being talked about.

_Richard_ · 11-11-2010, 09:49 AM

reminds me of the aesop tale: The Man, the Boy, and the Donkey

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i'm confused. that article is talking about extending tax cuts that bush put into place in 2001, with the expectation the rates would rise again. tax increases in a recession is bad business, so the debate is whether to leave the rates the same.. for the upper tax bracket

no?

No. The tax cuts that bush gave to all tax payers had a 10th expiration to appease the left at the time and avoid a big battle.
Obama, in a foolish attempt at class warfare, attempted to keep the tax cuts for everyone except those who pay the most in taxes. Foolishly thinking the rabble was now large enough to push his class warfare forward

datatank · 11-11-2010, 10:26 AM

I have a question.

How can one be pro american but so anti president? It is the american people that voted in the president is it not?

minicivan · 11-11-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

A bit stupid being that we already know the tax cuts don't actually help....or even if they shut the Gov down - all spending stopped, all wars ended, everything right now... it would still take us 5 years to pay off things. But if it makes the Republicans stop bitching for 2 minutes, then who cares!

We all know that tax cuts "dont work"

or "you believe that tax cuts don't work"?

Why is it that you believe the government can build a better world with your money than Americans themselves?

minicivan · 11-11-2010, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by datatank

I have a question.

How can one be pro american but so anti president? It is the american people that voted in the president is it not?

I have a question.

How can a President be elected to represent ALL AMERICANS and spend the vast majority of his time attacking 1/2 of Americans and their politics rather than rallying people together and actually leading a nation as a whole?

BlackCrayon · 11-11-2010, 10:41 AM

tax cuts, tax increases. does it ever seem to change anything in the end? in the end it seems we always have to pay out more than we should and life doesn't improve, businesses do not relocate back the US..its going to take more than tax cuts and small government to dig out of the deep hole not only the US but the whole world is in.

96ukssob · 11-11-2010, 10:43 AM

PornoMonster · 11-11-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by datatank

I have a question.

How can one be pro american but so anti president? It is the american people that voted in the president is it not?

Many have changed their minds.

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by minicivan

We all know that tax cuts "dont work"

or "you believe that tax cuts don't work"?

Why is it that you believe the government can build a better world with your money than Americans themselves?

its all the same to him. in his mind, anything he believes is a fact and anything anyone else proves with links is invisible to him.

same show, different thread.

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by datatank

I have a question.

How can one be pro american but so anti president? It is the american people that voted in the president is it not?

when the president is anti-american its pretty easy.

moeloubani · 11-11-2010, 11:11 AM

Yes you guys don't need the tax cuts. Just spend yourselves into failure USA, spend spend spend!!! One day the world will laugh at how the one-time great USA fell because of the greed of a few idiots.

_Richard_ · 11-11-2010, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by minicivan

I have a question.

How can a President be elected to represent ALL AMERICANS and spend the vast majority of his time attacking 1/2 of Americans and their politics rather than rallying people together and actually leading a nation as a whole?

i take it you have never heard of the fillibuster

minicivan · 11-11-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i take it you have never heard of the fillibuster

I've never heard of a President of the USA talking and acting like he represents only 1/2 of the people. Particularly when his platform was based largely on abolishing partisan politics and being all about unity.

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i take it you have never heard of the fillibuster

why do you make it a habit of coming into my threads and showing people who little you know?

do things work backwards in canada?
here in america, we generally try to put ourselves in the best light. not the other way around.

_Richard_ · 11-11-2010, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

why do you make it a habit of coming into my threads and showing people who little you know?

do things work backwards in canada?
here in america, we generally try to put ourselves in the best light. not the other way around.

yes i see your shining example everyday

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

yes i see your shining example everyday

from your posts, I understand this is a strange concept to you.

_Richard_ · 11-11-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by minicivan

I've never heard of a President of the USA talking and acting like he represents only 1/2 of the people. Particularly when his platform was based largely on abolishing partisan politics and being all about unity.

it's funny, but i don't know if you're talking about the current administration, or the last one

brandonstills · 11-11-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i take it you have never heard of the fillibuster

Fillibusters are great. The less they can agree, the less they can pass stupid laws.

Bryan G · 11-11-2010, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

why do you make it a habit of coming into my threads and showing people who little you know?

do things work backwards in canada?
here in america, we generally try to put ourselves in the best light. not the other way around.

Jesus, that is CLASSIC coming from you of all people.

_Richard_ · 11-11-2010, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

from your posts, I understand this is a strange concept to you.

saying one thing and doing another? extremely

_Richard_ · 11-11-2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by brandonstills

Fillibusters are great. The less they can agree, the less they can pass stupid laws.

haha fair enough. up till now 12clicks thought they couldn't even HAVE filibusters.

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

Jesus, that is CLASSIC coming from you of all people.

oh look, its platinum bryan. oh wait, you lost that job.

oh look, its job hopping bryan in another of my threads trolling. again.

I hear you're looking for a new job. is this your way of getting your name out there?

that hasn't worked in years.

brandonstills · 11-11-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank

I have a question.

How can one be pro american but so anti president? It is the american people that voted in the president is it not?

Pro American is an idea not a person. For me it is the vision of the founding fathers of the country. When a president goes against that vision, I will have issue with them.

What politicians say they will do and what they actually do are rarely the same. Also, majority rule (democracy) does not insure individual rights or liberty. Sometimes the majority will even vote to violate the rights a small select group because it is of benefit to them and they believe their needs are more important than another's.

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

haha fair enough. up till now 12clicks thought they couldn't even HAVE filibusters.

wow. read a book kid. you're not even bright enough to let an imagined win go while you're imaginarily ahead.

here in america, there's debate on a bill. if you have enough votes, you vote for cloture. if it passed, debate is over and a vote is taken. if not, you open it up for a possible filibuster.

you see son, you only imagined you were right.

now I've showed you once again why you're a job hopping bottom runger.
you're simply not as smart as you imagine yourself.

better?

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by brandonstills

Pro American is an idea not a person. For me it is the vision of the founding fathers of the country. When a president goes against that vision, I will have issue with them.

What politicians say they will do and what they actually do are rarely the same. Also, majority rule (democracy) does not insure individual rights or liberty. Sometimes the majority will even vote to violate the rights a small select group because it is of benefit to them and they believe their needs are more important than another's.

as in the taking of a larger amount of the rich's money because they want it and they can.

_Richard_ · 11-11-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

wow. read a book kid. you're not even bright enough to let an imagined win go while you're imaginarily ahead.

here in america, there's debate on a bill. if you have enough votes, you vote for cloture. if it passed, debate is over and a vote is taken. if not, you open it up for a possible filibuster.

you see son, you only imagined you were right.

now I've showed you once again why you're a job hopping bottom runger.
you're simply not as smart as you imagine yourself.

better?

thank you for teaching me patience 12clicks.

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

thank you for teaching

you haven't shown an ability to learn. I doubt it will take.

Bryan G · 11-11-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

oh look, its platinum bryan. oh wait, you lost that job.

oh look, its job hopping bryan in another of my threads trolling. again.

I hear you're looking for a new job. is this your way of getting your name out there?

that hasn't worked in years.

awww you hurt my feelings LOL

Good to see you continue to make yourself out the ubber fool day after day with the same old insults. It's quite obvious you are not very witty. It's also funny you think I'm trying to be noticed, like I give two fucks about that.

You're the one that makes mulitiple daily threads about your buddy Obama. Once again, for someone that claims to be so successful and a "better" you spend a load of time on message boards trying to make yourself feel and look important.

TheDoc · 11-11-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by minicivan

We all know that tax cuts "dont work"

or "you believe that tax cuts don't work"?

Why is it that you believe the government can build a better world with your money than Americans themselves?

These tax cuts, didn't work. They didn't stop jobs from going away, they didn't spark so much more spending that they made up the loss, and today with how things are they make it worse.

We're lucky today that we don't have a war tax.

We have 13 trillion in debt and the Gov isn't going to 100% quit spending money. So even if they reduced the Gov spending, we're still talking 1/4 of our lives to pay it off, if we get lucky and don't go to war again.

What I believe is you can't correct a country by ignoring its problems.

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

awww you hurt my feelings LOL

Good to see you continue to make yourself out the ubber fool day after day with the same old insults. It's quite obvious you are not very witty. It's also funny you think I'm trying to be noticed, like I give two fucks about that.

You're the one that makes mulitiple daily threads about your buddy Obama. Once again, for someone that claims to be so successful and a "better" you spend a load of time on message boards trying to make yourself feel and look important.

insults?
multiple daily threads?

christ, no wonder you're constantly looking for a job.

_Richard_ · 11-11-2010, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

you haven't shown an ability to learn. I doubt it will take.

i think it will.. tell us what cloture means again just to be sure

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

What I believe is you can't correct a country by ignoring its problems.

the only problem this country has is that your 47% of the country pays no tax.

tiger · 11-11-2010, 01:08 PM

Here is the difference between the 2 tax cut plans.

cwd · 11-11-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

the only problem this country has is that your 47% of the country pays no tax.

well, I'm glad there is only one problem. this should be an easy fix then.

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i think it will.. tell us what cloture means again just to be sure

wait right here.

brandonstills · 11-11-2010, 01:14 PM

Businesses won't come back until they have better terms in the US than somewhere else. Plain and simple. Why would they?

No businesses, no jobs. No jobs, no economy.

However, to be competitive, taxes would need to be substantially reduced; what they are talking about now doesn't even come close. But that would mean they would need to cut spending as well. That is not going to happen.

So where does that leave us? We're fucked.

Partisan class warfare instead of objectively looking at the cause and effect relationships and deciding what is best.

Then again unless we have an objective means of deciding what is best for everyone people are just going to vote for what is best for them at the expense of another.

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 01:16 PM

tiger, thats a cute chart.
do you know how big the circle is for what those top earners PAY to the government?
you obviously don't or you'd understand the embarrassment of your position.

12clicks · 11-11-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cwd

well, I'm glad there is only one problem. this should be an easy fix then.

you would think.

11-11-2010, 09:09 AM	#1
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,788	Darn! it looks like obama failed with his class warfare try http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...come-tax-cuts/ looks like Americans aren't so self serving after all. putting this nutbag president in his place finally. as the intelligent know, less taxes and smaller government is good for everyone. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	A bit stupid being that we already know the tax cuts don't actually help....or even if they shut the Gov down - all spending stopped, all wars ended, everything right now... it would still take us 5 years to pay off things. But if it makes the Republicans stop bitching for 2 minutes, then who cares! __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation Last edited by TheDoc; 11-11-2010 at 09:27 AM..

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BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	tax cuts, tax increases. does it ever seem to change anything in the end? in the end it seems we always have to pay out more than we should and life doesn't improve, businesses do not relocate back the US..its going to take more than tax cuts and small government to dig out of the deep hole not only the US but the whole world is in. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 30,989	i'm confused. that article is talking about extending tax cuts that bush put into place in 2001, with the expectation the rates would rise again. tax increases in a recession is bad business, so the debate is whether to leave the rates the same.. for the upper tax bracket no?

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_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 30,989	reminds me of the aesop tale: The Man, the Boy, and the Donkey

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datatank Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: My dog is blacker than Tupac Posts: 5,471	I have a question. How can one be pro american but so anti president? It is the american people that voted in the president is it not?

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moeloubani Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,235	Yes you guys don't need the tax cuts. Just spend yourselves into failure USA, spend spend spend!!! One day the world will laugh at how the one-time great USA fell because of the greed of a few idiots.

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tiger Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,986	Here is the difference between the 2 tax cut plans. __________________

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brandonstills Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chatsworth, CA Posts: 1,964	Businesses won't come back until they have better terms in the US than somewhere else. Plain and simple. Why would they? No businesses, no jobs. No jobs, no economy. However, to be competitive, taxes would need to be substantially reduced; what they are talking about now doesn't even come close. But that would mean they would need to cut spending as well. That is not going to happen. So where does that leave us? We're fucked. Partisan class warfare instead of objectively looking at the cause and effect relationships and deciding what is best. Then again unless we have an objective means of deciding what is best for everyone people are just going to vote for what is best for them at the expense of another. __________________ Brandon Stills Industry and programming veteran [email protected] \| skype: brandonstills \| ICQ #495-171-318

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12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,788	tiger, thats a cute chart. do you know how big the circle is for what those top earners PAY to the government? you obviously don't or you'd understand the embarrassment of your position. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.